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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#761 » by KembaWalker » Wed Nov 13, 2024 12:50 pm

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KembaWalker wrote:If Melo is actually this good right now, we might not have time for ownerships 32 part plan to global supremacy. This dude is on a different timeline than the rest of the team. Kemba was a nice guy that gave us his whole prime while we did basically nothing to help him but it’s a capitalistic society and LaMelo is not Kemba..the dude would stand to multiply his earning value exponentially in another market playing like this.

It just logically makes no sense to sit there with an all NBA caliber player and doddle along waiting 4 years and collecting late lottery picks. Pacers went and got Siakam for Hali, Wolves got Gobert for Ant. What are we going to do for Melo?

Melo just turned 23, just started his extension, and he hasn't been able to stay healthy. A big win for this season is getting him through it healthy. I think we should focus on that. Obviously we're not going to collect draft picks the next 4 years, not sure why you are arguing against that strategy.


I mean, getting him through the season healthy is very clearly not the organizations priority, as we saw last night putting him back in the game in complete garbage time against a team that was still motivated to go all out. Or maybe we’re competing hard for the tournament cup :lol:
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#762 » by yosemiteben » Wed Nov 13, 2024 1:03 pm

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KembaWalker wrote:If Melo is actually this good right now, we might not have time for ownerships 32 part plan to global supremacy. This dude is on a different timeline than the rest of the team. Kemba was a nice guy that gave us his whole prime while we did basically nothing to help him but it’s a capitalistic society and LaMelo is not Kemba..the dude would stand to multiply his earning value exponentially in another market playing like this.

It just logically makes no sense to sit there with an all NBA caliber player and doddle along waiting 4 years and collecting late lottery picks. Pacers went and got Siakam for Hali, Wolves got Gobert for Ant. What are we going to do for Melo?

Melo just turned 23, just started his extension, and he hasn't been able to stay healthy. A big win for this season is getting him through it healthy. I think we should focus on that. Obviously we're not going to collect draft picks the next 4 years, not sure why you are arguing against that strategy.


I mean, getting him through the season healthy is very clearly not the organizations priority, as we saw last night putting him back in the game in complete garbage time against a team that was still motivated to go all out. Or maybe we’re competing hard for the tournament cup :lol:

They redid our entire medical staff and forced him into ankle braces. They obviously care about keeping him healthy.

He also only played 35 minutes last night and he is only averaging 33.5 minutes on the season. They are extremely far from overplaying him.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#763 » by KembaWalker » Wed Nov 13, 2024 1:09 pm

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yosemiteben wrote:Melo just turned 23, just started his extension, and he hasn't been able to stay healthy. A big win for this season is getting him through it healthy. I think we should focus on that. Obviously we're not going to collect draft picks the next 4 years, not sure why you are arguing against that strategy.


I mean, getting him through the season healthy is very clearly not the organizations priority, as we saw last night putting him back in the game in complete garbage time against a team that was still motivated to go all out. Or maybe we’re competing hard for the tournament cup :lol:

They redid our entire medical staff and forced him into ankle braces. They obviously care about keeping him healthy.

He also only played 35 minutes last night and he is only averaging 33.5 minutes on the season. They are extremely far from overplaying him.


its not a matter of minutes, his ankle injuries haven't been wear and tear (although now you might consider it that since we've seen him pop up on the report with soreness which is probably chronic at this point). any minute you play LaMelo that is unnecessary is just rolling the dice on another random bad step on someones foot for no reason

to me, its pretty clear that the organizations actual priority and probably step 2 of their master plan is establishing LaMelo as a true star player, getting that referee respect and putting some eyes on the team. its probably pretty embarrassing for ownership that we don't even have a jersey patch this season. they are likely prioritizing this "4th quarter Melo" narrative as its the little good press we have actually gotten and want to juice his numbers up as high as they can. theres no actual defensible reason to put him back in that game last night given his history, its totally moronic. gotta trust the overarching master plan
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#764 » by yosemiteben » Wed Nov 13, 2024 1:20 pm

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I mean, getting him through the season healthy is very clearly not the organizations priority, as we saw last night putting him back in the game in complete garbage time against a team that was still motivated to go all out. Or maybe we’re competing hard for the tournament cup :lol:

They redid our entire medical staff and forced him into ankle braces. They obviously care about keeping him healthy.

He also only played 35 minutes last night and he is only averaging 33.5 minutes on the season. They are extremely far from overplaying him.


its not a matter of minutes, his ankle injuries haven't been wear and tear (although now you might consider it that since we've seen him pop up on the report with soreness which is probably chronic at this point). any minute you play LaMelo that is unnecessary is just rolling the dice on another random bad step on someones foot for no reason

to me, its pretty clear that the organizations actual priority and probably step 2 of their master plan is establishing LaMelo as a true star player, getting that referee respect and putting some eyes on the team. its probably pretty embarrassing for ownership that we don't even have a jersey patch this season. they are likely prioritizing this "4th quarter Melo" narrative as its the little good press we have actually gotten and want to juice his numbers up as high as they can. theres no actual defensible reason to put him back in that game last night given his history, its totally moronic. gotta trust the overarching master plan

I'm really confused by the mixed narrative here.

"We are making a mistake by not leaning in on LaMelo, he's changing our timeline and we should be capitalizing on it."

"We made a mistake by playing LaMelo unnecessarily because every minute we do that is a risk."

If we're changing our organizational approach to accommodate him, I don't want to be scared to play him 35 minutes in a meaningful Cup game where the final score matters.

It doesn't feel like you can look at how our team is approaching Melo and objectively say that they are not providing him adequate support or that they are being reckless with his health.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#765 » by KembaWalker » Wed Nov 13, 2024 1:32 pm

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yosemiteben wrote:They redid our entire medical staff and forced him into ankle braces. They obviously care about keeping him healthy.

He also only played 35 minutes last night and he is only averaging 33.5 minutes on the season. They are extremely far from overplaying him.


its not a matter of minutes, his ankle injuries haven't been wear and tear (although now you might consider it that since we've seen him pop up on the report with soreness which is probably chronic at this point). any minute you play LaMelo that is unnecessary is just rolling the dice on another random bad step on someones foot for no reason

to me, its pretty clear that the organizations actual priority and probably step 2 of their master plan is establishing LaMelo as a true star player, getting that referee respect and putting some eyes on the team. its probably pretty embarrassing for ownership that we don't even have a jersey patch this season. they are likely prioritizing this "4th quarter Melo" narrative as its the little good press we have actually gotten and want to juice his numbers up as high as they can. theres no actual defensible reason to put him back in that game last night given his history, its totally moronic. gotta trust the overarching master plan

I'm really confused by the mixed narrative here.

"We are making a mistake by not leaning in on LaMelo, he's changing our timeline and we should be capitalizing on it."

"We made a mistake by playing LaMelo unnecessarily because every minute we do that is a risk."

If we're changing our organizational approach to accommodate him, I don't want to be scared to play him 35 minutes in a meaningful Cup game where the final score matters.

It doesn't feel like you can look at how our team is approaching Melo and objectively say that they are not providing him adequate support or that they are being reckless with his health.


i feel like youre being purposely obtuse at this point, maybe upset at me after the poor outcomes from the conversations yesterday and looking to bicker further

there is obviously a very big difference between making a move to get the guy some help because he's playing at a level far far far above the rest of the roster and playing him in absolute garbage time. these are not conflicting stances. no team should be putting their star player in down 35 pts with 5 minutes left in the game, injury history or not. of course the Emirates cup is not relevant in either case and nobody cares about that here or organizationally. you know this, i know this, everyone knows this.

gonna disengage from this bad faith conversation, you clearly have an issue with me all of a sudden. if the team actually prioritizes their Emirates cup point differential during a complete blowout to the point of throwing their star player out there but isn't prioritizing getting the team some actual help ASAP then we are in for some dark days anyway and none of this matters
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#766 » by SWedd523 » Wed Nov 13, 2024 4:58 pm

All of the smarmy arguing is tiring but it all boils down to this:

if the team actually prioritizes their Emirates cup point differential during a complete blowout to the point of throwing their star player out there but isn't prioritizing getting the team some actual help ASAP then we are in for some dark days anyway and none of this matters


Whole lot of mixed messaging by the FO.

To me it seems clear there's a bunch of new guys in management who haven't quite figured out how to do their jobs and they don't have a cohesive plan yet.

If they want to be serious about this season then they need to be aggressive on the trade market.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#767 » by KembaWalker » Wed Nov 13, 2024 5:24 pm

yosemiteben wrote:
KembaWalker wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:I'm really confused by the mixed narrative here.

"We are making a mistake by not leaning in on LaMelo, he's changing our timeline and we should be capitalizing on it."

"We made a mistake by playing LaMelo unnecessarily because every minute we do that is a risk."

If we're changing our organizational approach to accommodate him, I don't want to be scared to play him 35 minutes in a meaningful Cup game where the final score matters.

It doesn't feel like you can look at how our team is approaching Melo and objectively say that they are not providing him adequate support or that they are being reckless with his health.


i feel like youre being purposely obtuse at this point, maybe upset at me after the poor outcomes from the conversations yesterday and looking to bicker further

Yeah man I don't view myself as having a "poor outcome" yesterday, I thought we had a productive discussion and I'm not scoreboarding conversations.

KembaWalker wrote:there is obviously a very big difference between making a move to get the guy some help because he's playing at a level far far far above the rest of the roster and playing him in absolute garbage time. these are not conflicting stances. no team should be putting their star player in down 35 pts with 5 minutes left in the game, injury history or not. of course the Emirates cup is not relevant in either case and nobody cares about that here or organizationally. you know this, i know this, everyone knows this.

I disagree. I actually do think the Emirates Cup is relevant to our team's goals, and Coach Lee said is much both pre-game and post-game. Clearly you don't value it, and that's fine.

KembaWalker wrote:gonna disengage from this bad faith conversation, you clearly have an issue with me all of a sudden. if the team actually prioritizes their Emirates cup point differential during a complete blowout to the point of throwing their star player out there but isn't prioritizing getting the team some actual help ASAP then we are in for some dark days anyway and none of this matters[/spoiler]

I get it if you don't like what I'm posting or whatever, but it's not bad faith and I take issue with that. Feel free to disengage, but don't act like it's because I'm not being honest with my views or like I have something personal against you.


damn this post actually broke realgm for me :o are yall seeing this the same way as me lmao. I see your response smushed up under your favorite teams and my name is mod color and the next messages are all outside screen boundary
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#768 » by yosemiteben » Wed Nov 13, 2024 5:26 pm

SWedd523 wrote:All of the smarmy arguing is tiring but it all boils down to this:

if the team actually prioritizes their Emirates cup point differential during a complete blowout to the point of throwing their star player out there but isn't prioritizing getting the team some actual help ASAP then we are in for some dark days anyway and none of this matters


Whole lot of mixed messaging by the FO.

To me it seems clear there's a bunch of new guys in management who haven't quite figured out how to do their jobs and they don't have a cohesive plan yet.

If they want to be serious about this season then they need to be aggressive on the trade market.

I fundamentally disagree that they have to make a trade eminently or otherwise they can't be taking the season seriously.

I think it makes perfect sense for them to push this team to see what is worth hanging on to and what we can be. I think it makes sense to articular goals for the roster as currently constructed, then wait to see how they respond to those goals. We are 10 games in to the season of Lee's first season as a head coach, there is a lot of room for organic improvement from both the players and coaching staff before I'm ready to say we're just not even trying.

And above nearly everything else, I want to see Melo stay reasonably healthy for a full season before I view him as a foundational building block they we need to prioritize building around above everything else.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#769 » by yosemiteben » Wed Nov 13, 2024 5:35 pm

Yeah I don't know wtf is going on, it's looking messed up for me too. Sorry everyone, I'll try to get Howard to fix.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#770 » by KembaWalker » Wed Nov 13, 2024 5:47 pm

idk you can delete the posts including mine if it fixes. i apologize for making it too personal at you, just this franchise seems to be in my opinion headed down another frustrating annoying dark path that i've seen too many times from them (and the Panthers) in wasting rare opportunities with special talents in the guise of preaching patience. in the end we all want to see a competitive and sustainable team
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#771 » by yosemiteben » Wed Nov 13, 2024 6:00 pm

Looks like that one post screwed it up, deleted it and that fixed everything.

All good with me man, we don't have to agree but I promise I'm not just making up arguments because I enjoy conflict. I appreciate your perspective, keep doing your thing.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#772 » by luciano-davidwesley » Wed Nov 13, 2024 7:38 pm

KembaWalker wrote:idk you can delete the posts including mine if it fixes. i apologize for making it too personal at you, just this franchise seems to be in my opinion headed down another frustrating annoying dark path that i've seen too many times from them (and the Panthers) in wasting rare opportunities with special talents in the guise of preaching patience. in the end we all want to see a competitive and sustainable team

Totally off topic here and a little OCD but are you intentionally uncapitalising the start of your sentences or is your autopredict keyboard doing it?
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#773 » by KembaWalker » Wed Nov 13, 2024 7:45 pm

luciano-davidwesley wrote:
KembaWalker wrote:idk you can delete the posts including mine if it fixes. i apologize for making it too personal at you, just this franchise seems to be in my opinion headed down another frustrating annoying dark path that i've seen too many times from them (and the Panthers) in wasting rare opportunities with special talents in the guise of preaching patience. in the end we all want to see a competitive and sustainable team

Totally off topic here and a little OCD but are you intentionally uncapitalising the start of your sentences or is your autopredict keyboard doing it?


if its all uncapitalized it means i'm typing at my work pc, if its capitalized then i'm on my phone. pretty dead here so ive been scrolling around here more than i should
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#774 » by yosemiteben » Wed Nov 13, 2024 7:47 pm

KembaWalker wrote:
luciano-davidwesley wrote:
KembaWalker wrote:idk you can delete the posts including mine if it fixes. i apologize for making it too personal at you, just this franchise seems to be in my opinion headed down another frustrating annoying dark path that i've seen too many times from them (and the Panthers) in wasting rare opportunities with special talents in the guise of preaching patience. in the end we all want to see a competitive and sustainable team

Totally off topic here and a little OCD but are you intentionally uncapitalising the start of your sentences or is your autopredict keyboard doing it?


if its all uncapitalized it means i'm typing at my work pc, if its capitalized then i'm on my phone. pretty dead here so ive been scrolling around here more than i should

That's kinda funny, for me it's the opposite. If my **** is not well thought out, has spelling errors and bad capitalization, you can bet I'm on my phone.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#775 » by KembaWalker » Wed Nov 13, 2024 8:01 pm

yosemiteben wrote:
KembaWalker wrote:
luciano-davidwesley wrote:Totally off topic here and a little OCD but are you intentionally uncapitalising the start of your sentences or is your autopredict keyboard doing it?


if its all uncapitalized it means i'm typing at my work pc, if its capitalized then i'm on my phone. pretty dead here so ive been scrolling around here more than i should

That's kinda funny, for me it's the opposite. If my **** is not well thought out, has spelling errors and bad capitalization, you can bet I'm on my phone.


id love to realgm on my phone more, but when you sit there and lose posts you spent 5 minutes typing up to random refreshes every time, its just not worth. i heard tapatalk is good but not about to subject myself to more ads or pay money when im one smartass comment away from a permaban :lol:
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#776 » by JMAC3 » Wed Nov 13, 2024 8:53 pm

Say what you will about the Salaun pick, but it is very difficult to find interesting 3/4 players that might be available for trade.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#777 » by SWedd523 » Wed Nov 13, 2024 9:03 pm

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yosemiteben wrote:
KembaWalker wrote:
if its all uncapitalized it means i'm typing at my work pc, if its capitalized then i'm on my phone. pretty dead here so ive been scrolling around here more than i should

That's kinda funny, for me it's the opposite. If my **** is not well thought out, has spelling errors and bad capitalization, you can bet I'm on my phone.


id love to realgm on my phone more, but when you sit there and lose posts you spent 5 minutes typing up to random refreshes every time, its just not worth. i heard tapatalk is good but not about to subject myself to more ads or pay money when im one smartass comment away from a permaban :lol:

brave browser on Android is a super clean solution for me. no ads, no forced refresh, no need for apps or other shenanigans
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#778 » by JMAC3 » Wed Nov 13, 2024 9:06 pm

The frustrating part of this to me right now is the team has the assets to improve.

We traded Hayward, Rozier, PJ, 3 2nds for Grant, Curry, Green, Mann and 2 firsts and 8 2nds.

Picks are great, but the plan shouldn't be to draft all those extra picks. Adding talent sooner rather than later is probably a better outcome for this organization.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#779 » by amcoolio » Wed Nov 13, 2024 9:22 pm

I think most every team thinks they are better than what they are atm so there is nothing to trade

Once we hit the end of December all the tanking teams will emerge, with us being one of them if I had to bet my life on it. We just aren't good at all and there's no point in trying to win. Can probably be one of the four worst teams. If LaMelo misses any time we are clearly the worst team in the league. Disheartening, but they better start winning next year for my sanity
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#780 » by KembaWalker » Wed Nov 13, 2024 9:33 pm

ive about sold myself on Ingram if it only takes Bridges and light draft comp

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