The Nik Stauskas Thread

[mrknowitall215]

What have I done besides state that Stauskas remind me of Jacobsen and used similar numbers by the respective players to back it up?

"It's honestly me just being a smart aleck, but they asked for it"

Mostly that.

Can't be mad if I outwitted them at their own game. That's what debating is about

[Liver_Pooty]

Pestering like that is definitely a Yankee thing and I'm not a fan of it.

Lol, you get use to it after a while

[yosemiteben]

What have I done besides state that Stauskas remind me of Jacobsen and used similar numbers by the respective players to back it up?

"It's honestly me just being a smart aleck, but they asked for it"

Mostly that.

Can't be mad if I outwitted them at their own game. That's what debating is about

Nothing inspires good discourse like disingenuous posturing because the other side "asked for it."

[mrknowitall215]

I didn't know I was ruffling feathers by giving my opinion. Everybody has shot down my favorite, James Young, with disingenuous posturing from his hairstyle to his IQ without any concrete evidence on his potential outside of baseless opinions, and you don't see me saying that a poster is pestering. I just reply with my opinion, and end it with "only time will tell". Let's gather some tougher skin around here. It's as if y'all think I'm making personal attacks

However, the responses I get inquiring that I'm a @sshole without saying could be considered a personal attack, but I know that's just the soreness of a loser

[BeesWax]

Oh my, the Stauskas enthusiasts are illogical as if he was Jason Kidd at Cal. Stauskas' assist-to-turnover ratio was nothing extraordinary

Jacobsen had a college career turnover percentage of 12.0% to Stauskas' 11.8%

Jacobsen had a college career average of 2.7 assist per game to Stauskas' 2.3 assist per game

Jacobsen had a college career average of 2.0 turnovers per game to Stauskas' 1.5 turnovers per game



Stop the nonsense, please...

Sorry for telling you the truth.

I debunked your myth that you call a truth when you inferred that Stauskas' assist-to-turnover ratio was superior to Jacobsen's coming into the league, when in reality it wasn't. They are very similar. Stauskas might be better since his legacy isn't set and he has the chance to retool, but Jacobsen is a precautionary tale to anyone thinking Stauskas is a 'sure thing' just because he shot efficiently, because Jacobsen did the same thing

I debunked yours by just comparing the sophomore years showing how incredibly far ahead Stauskas is at the same point court vision wise. Doesn't need to retool just continue with his quick release and better vision for his age and he will be better.

[mrknowitall215]

I debunked yours by just comparing the sophomore years showing how incredibly far ahead Stauskas is at the same point court vision wise. Doesn't need to retool just continue with his quick release and better vision for his age and he will be better.

Show me in numbers form, because Stauskas having a 12.0 TO% to Jacobsen's 12.1 in their sophomore seasons don't qualify or quantify as 'incredibly far ahead'

[BeesWax]

I debunked yours by just comparing the sophomore years showing how incredibly far ahead Stauskas is at the same point court vision wise. Doesn't need to retool just continue with his quick release and better vision for his age and he will be better.

Show me in numbers form, because Stauskas having a 12.0 TO% to Jacobsen's 12.1 in their sophomore seasons don't qualify or quantify as 'incredibly far ahead'

Stauskas
118 assist to 67 turnovers a 1.76 assist to turnover ratio.

Jacobsen
78 assist to 65 turnovers a 1.2 assist to turnover ratio.

That is a half extra assit per every turnover at the same point in their careers. He also had more steals and blocks than Jacobsen not that either was incredible.

[mrknowitall215]

I debunked yours by just comparing the sophomore years showing how incredibly far ahead Stauskas is at the same point court vision wise. Doesn't need to retool just continue with his quick release and better vision for his age and he will be better.

Show me in numbers form, because Stauskas having a 12.0 TO% to Jacobsen's 12.1 in their sophomore seasons don't qualify or quantify as 'incredibly far ahead'

Stauskas
118 assist to 67 turnovers a 1.76 assist to turnover ratio.

Jacobsen
78 assist to 65 turnovers a 1.2 assist to turnover ratio.

That is a half extra assit per every turnover at the same point in their careers. He also had more steals and blocks than Jacobsen not that either was incredible.

Is a 0.5 difference 'incredibly far' apart?

[BeesWax]

Show me in numbers form, because Stauskas having a 12.0 TO% to Jacobsen's 12.1 in their sophomore seasons don't qualify or quantify as 'incredibly far ahead'

Stauskas
118 assist to 67 turnovers a 1.76 assist to turnover ratio.

Jacobsen
78 assist to 65 turnovers a 1.2 assist to turnover ratio.

That is a half extra assit per every turnover at the same point in their careers. He also had more steals and blocks than Jacobsen not that either was incredible.

Is a 0.5 difference 'incredibly far' apart?

In the terms of middle of the pack PGs it is the difference between the guy at 7 and at 24. So yeah because of the way math works when you are looking at things like this it is a big difference. It is the difference of 3.3 assist per game vs 2.3 which is a jump.

[mrknowitall215]

I refuse to continue indulging in such slighted semantics that don't justify itself. Is Stauskas a slightly better ball handler and passer than Jacobsen? Yes, maybe, it look like it, but not enough of a difference to qualify as 'incredibly far' apart or ahead. It's all in the same ball park

[BeesWax]

Math is math you can try to cheat it but numbers don't lie. You had to give up here or in Youngs thread because you couldn't argue both without going completely backwards in the opposite one.

[mrknowitall215]

Math is math you can try to cheat it but numbers don't lie. You had to give up here or in Youngs thread because you couldn't argue both without going completely backwards in the opposite one.

I'm not giving up. Your math is reciprocated. However, I hope Stauskas don't bust like Jacobsen because I like him. You guys just bend too many corners to up your prospects

[BeesWax]

Math is math you can try to cheat it but numbers don't lie. You had to give up here or in Youngs thread because you couldn't argue both without going completely backwards in the opposite one.

I'm not giving up. Your math is reciprocated. However, I hope Stauskas don't bust like Jacobsen because I like him. You guys just bend too many corners to up your prospects

You bent so far you are in a circle. I just went one for one year vs year and an extra assist per game minus any extra turnovers is pretty big.

[mrknowitall215]

Math is math you can try to cheat it but numbers don't lie. You had to give up here or in Youngs thread because you couldn't argue both without going completely backwards in the opposite one.

I'm not giving up. Your math is reciprocated. However, I hope Stauskas don't bust like Jacobsen because I like him. You guys just bend too many corners to up your prospects

You bent so far you are in a circle. I just went one for one year vs year and an extra assist per game minus any extra turnovers is pretty big.

I didn't bend any corners. I gave the closest comparison in modern times that had a similar style of play and shooting percentages. No two players are just alike, it was a comparison

[tmorgan]

You guys totally ruined this thread. Glad the draft is in a few hours, and I'll go back to my Pistons board.

Get Nik, or at least get someone good! All for dumping Ben Gordon on you for a couple years. <sigh>

[BeesWax]

I'm not giving up. Your math is reciprocated. However, I hope Stauskas don't bust like Jacobsen because I like him. You guys just bend too many corners to up your prospects

You bent so far you are in a circle. I just went one for one year vs year and an extra assist per game minus any extra turnovers is pretty big.

I didn't bend any corners. I gave the closest comparison in modern times that had a similar style of play and shooting percentages. No two players are just alike, it was a comparison

But in terms of assist Jacobsen's best year was by far his junior year. If he had left after his sophomore year like Nik his court vision would have looked questionable. He was never regarded as a real playmaker for others. I do remember him in a hilarious fashion though from the Stanford vs UNC game. He played on that team with Madsen his freshman year that lost to UNC in the second round. He came around a screen chasing Forte but did not see the second screen from Peppers. He hit Peppers running full speed and crumbled like a VW bug hitting an 18 wheeler. That was one brutal screen by Pep.

[mrknowitall215]

You bent so far you are in a circle. I just went one for one year vs year and an extra assist per game minus any extra turnovers is pretty big.

I didn't bend any corners. I gave the closest comparison in modern times that had a similar style of play and shooting percentages. No two players are just alike, it was a comparison

But in terms of assist Jacobsen's best year was by far his junior year. If he had left after his sophomore year like Nik his court vision would have looked questionable. He was never regarded as a real playmaker for others. I do remember him in a hilarious fashion though from the Stanford vs UNC game. He played on that team with Madsen his freshman year that lost to UNC in the second round. He came around a screen chasing Forte but did not see the second screen from Peppers. He hit Peppers running full speed and crumbled like a VW bug hitting an 18 wheeler. That was one brutal screen by Pep.

Sophomore years:

18.1 PPG, 51 FG%, 47 3P%, 4.0 RPG, 2.3 APG

17.5 PPG, 47 FG%, 44 3P%, 2.9 RPG, 3.3 APG



I couldn't tell much the difference

[BeesWax]

I didn't bend any corners. I gave the closest comparison in modern times that had a similar style of play and shooting percentages. No two players are just alike, it was a comparison

But in terms of assist Jacobsen's best year was by far his junior year. If he had left after his sophomore year like Nik his court vision would have looked questionable. He was never regarded as a real playmaker for others. I do remember him in a hilarious fashion though from the Stanford vs UNC game. He played on that team with Madsen his freshman year that lost to UNC in the second round. He came around a screen chasing Forte but did not see the second screen from Peppers. He hit Peppers running full speed and crumbled like a VW bug hitting an 18 wheeler. That was one brutal screen by Pep.

Sophomore years:

18.1 PPG, 51 FG%, 47 3P%, 4.0 RPG, 2.3 APG

17.5 PPG, 47 FG%, 44 3P%, 2.9 RPG, 3.3 APG



I couldn't tell much the difference

You commented specifically on the court vision in your post. That was what I shot down and proved against an extra assist per game minus any more turnovers is significant. Also if you look at the teams it was a lot easier to get assists than Stauskas. Stauskas had one double digit scorer who shot above 45% from the field vs 3 for Jacobsen and two above 55%. He racked up some easy assist with the Collins twins on the inside. As for shooting and defense they are very close. Never thought of Jacobsen as quite as much of an athlete but they are not far off.

[JDR720]

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[mrknowitall215]

But in terms of assist Jacobsen's best year was by far his junior year. If he had left after his sophomore year like Nik his court vision would have looked questionable. He was never regarded as a real playmaker for others. I do remember him in a hilarious fashion though from the Stanford vs UNC game. He played on that team with Madsen his freshman year that lost to UNC in the second round. He came around a screen chasing Forte but did not see the second screen from Peppers. He hit Peppers running full speed and crumbled like a VW bug hitting an 18 wheeler. That was one brutal screen by Pep.

Sophomore years:

18.1 PPG, 51 FG%, 47 3P%, 4.0 RPG, 2.3 APG

17.5 PPG, 47 FG%, 44 3P%, 2.9 RPG, 3.3 APG



I couldn't tell much the difference

You commented specifically on the court vision in your post. That was what I shot down and proved against an extra assist per game minus any more turnovers is significant. Also if you look at the teams it was a lot easier to get assists than Stauskas. Stauskas had one double digit scorer who shot above 45% from the field vs 3 for Jacobsen and two above 55%. He racked up some easy assist with the Collins twins on the inside. As for shooting and defense they are very close. Never thought of Jacobsen as quite as much of an athlete but they are not far off.

Do I really have to go back to my original post about the comparison? OK, I will...

Nik Stauskas = Casey Jacobsen

Like it or not, that's what it is. I've come to grips with it upon further review of Stauskas' lack of defense, and overrated court vision. Jacobsen was a very similar, almost identical prospect coming out of Stanford over a decade ago

'very similar'; almost identical;' are the choice words I used