120 Guarantees: the Nic Batum thread

Flip Murray · Post #781 » by **Flip Murray** » Fri Jul 1, 2016 1:03 pm

Thank you based Cho. Nic is my boy now. Upper echelon here we come

BlackOutBuzz · Post #782 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Fri Jul 1, 2016 1:10 pm

EwingSweatsALot wrote:Without knowing the future this is a perfect deal for both parties. We get him for less than the max and he gets a player option which, and blackout can correct me if I'm wrong, but it allows him to get one more 5 year max before the weird age limit. I'm not sure he'd get that if he is locked up for all 5.

Yeah, Over 36 Rule. He can still get a big payday after that but the rule basically negates the incentive for giving older players longer deals.

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Flip Murray · Post #783 » by **Flip Murray** » Fri Jul 1, 2016 1:20 pm

Now we gotta just get Nic in a room and block the door with a chair for the next 6 days

aim2please · Post #784 » by **aim2please** » Fri Jul 1, 2016 1:46 pm

driveandkick wrote:Anyone else think it's hilarious how the Blazers gave us Batum for two bad players because they didn't want to pay him big dollars this summer, and now it's this summer and they are throwing the max at Chandler Parsons?

I think they weren't expecting to be this good this fast. They were preparing for a rebuild.
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I like Batum's deal for you guys. I think it's a fair deal for both sides, especially considering that lesser players like Beal and (extremely overrated) Derozan got more $.

Peace

EwingSweatsALot · Post #785 » by **EwingSweatsALot** » Fri Jul 1, 2016 2:08 pm

BlackOutBuzz wrote:
EwingSweatsALot wrote:Without knowing the future this is a perfect deal for both parties. We get him for less than the max and he gets a player option which, and blackout can correct me if I'm wrong, but it allows him to get one more 5 year max before the weird age limit. I'm not sure he'd get that if he is locked up for all 5.

Yeah, Over 36 Rule. He can still get a big payday after that but the rule basically negates the incentive for giving older players longer deals.

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Can you not sign it if you're 36 or older or if you will turn 36 during the deal?

BlackOutBuzz · Post #786 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Fri Jul 1, 2016 2:52 pm

EwingSweatsALot wrote:
BlackOutBuzz wrote:
EwingSweatsALot wrote:Without knowing the future this is a perfect deal for both parties. We get him for less than the max and he gets a player option which, and blackout can correct me if I'm wrong, but it allows him to get one more 5 year max before the weird age limit. I'm not sure he'd get that if he is locked up for all 5.

Yeah, Over 36 Rule. He can still get a big payday after that but the rule basically negates the incentive for giving older players longer deals.

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Can you not sign it if you're 36 or older or if you will turn 36 during the deal?

I'd need to revisit it but if memory serves...he can still sign a big deal but the money is amortized differently because age 36 is considered "retirement age." Any contract seasons after he turns 36 are reduced to $0 (often referred to as "N/A") and the amounts are amortized to the pre-36 years.

The problem however is that players can't exceed their max value even with this provision, so they essentially lose money if they're still max-worthy around age 32-33. Basically any contract that touches their 36th birthday is subject to the rule.

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Post #787 » by **fatlever** » Fri Jul 1, 2016 4:13 pm

I think I held back a little bit on really embracing Batum as a Hornet because of his impending free agency. I didn't really know if he wanted to be here or if he was just playing along for a year to keep his value high then to bolt this summer.

Today he showed everyone how much he wants to be in Charlotte. He could have gone to a half-dozen teams for that per year salary, some of which were contenders, but he choose to stay with the Hornets and to continue to build something here.

The fact that this thread only has 40 pages is proof that we, as a fanbase, have not shown him enough love. I hope that changes this season.

Or he becomes the most hated Hornet of them all if he has some bad years ahead.

Post #788 » by **fatlever** » Fri Jul 1, 2016 4:13 pm

I hope now that Batum has committed his future to the Hornets, he can really get involved in trying to recruit some free agents here. He can start with convincing Marvin to resign quickly.

bws94 · Post #789 » by **bws94** » Fri Jul 1, 2016 4:25 pm

Excellent. It's a fair and good contract.

Post #790 » by **fatlever** » Fri Jul 1, 2016 4:28 pm

Read on Twitter

Post #791 » by **fatlever** » Fri Jul 1, 2016 4:30 pm

ESPN Charlotte
‏@ESPNCharlotte

"Rich Cho didn't leave the room till they had a deal" @rick_bonnell on the #Hornets agreeing to a deal with Batum

James Gatz · Post #792 » by **James Gatz** » Fri Jul 1, 2016 4:44 pm

fatlever wrote:
ESPN Charlotte
‏@ESPNCharlotte

"Rich Cho didn't leave the room till they had a deal" @rick_bonnell on the #Hornets agreeing to a deal with Batum

Cho has been far from perfect but he does things like negotiations well. We have yet to give out a bad contract in his tenure.

PG13 · Post #793 » by **PG13** » Fri Jul 1, 2016 6:37 pm

fatlever wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/nicolas88batum/status/748788802013933570[/tweet]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/CodyZeller/status/748913543337025536[/tweet]

lol @ real Rolex. Does he have a fake one? :lol:

bws94 · Post #794 » by **bws94** » Fri Jul 1, 2016 7:21 pm

Yes, now let's get Marv back. I feel like Marv is one of those big time guys in the locker room and his leadership goes beyond what he does on the court. But this is done, in the bag, more Nic to come.

Post #795 » by **BigSlam** » Fri Jul 1, 2016 9:51 pm

Grade for Hornets: A-

Grade for Nicolas Batum: A

An annual average of $24 million for Batum is the equivalent of a $17.8 million deal under the previous cap.

More here:

http://basketball.realgm.com/analysis/242548/Grading-The-Deal-Nicolas-Batum-Re-Signs-With-Hornets-On-$120M-Deal

Kswiss · Post #796 » by **Kswiss** » Fri Jul 1, 2016 9:56 pm

James Gatz wrote:
fatlever wrote:
ESPN Charlotte
‏@ESPNCharlotte

"Rich Cho didn't leave the room till they had a deal" @rick_bonnell on the #Hornets agreeing to a deal with Batum

Cho has been far from perfect but he does things like negotiations well. We have yet to give out a bad contract in his tenure.

Jeremy Lamb?

amcoolio · Post #797 » by **amcoolio** » Fri Jul 1, 2016 10:11 pm

Solomon Hill just got 13M a year, and you are complaining about Lamb at 7? We all underestimated this summer.

Flip Murray · Post #798 » by **Flip Murray** » Fri Jul 1, 2016 10:13 pm

Kswiss wrote:
James Gatz wrote:
fatlever wrote:

Cho has been far from perfect but he does things like negotiations well. We have yet to give out a bad contract in his tenure.

Jeremy Lamb?

7 mil per? Peanuts

James Gatz · Post #799 » by **James Gatz** » Fri Jul 1, 2016 10:19 pm

Flip Murray wrote:
Kswiss wrote:
James Gatz wrote:
Cho has been far from perfect but he does things like negotiations well. We have yet to give out a bad contract in his tenure.

Jeremy Lamb?

7 mil per? Peanuts

I'm still totally fine with the Lamb deal. In this current market 7 mil for a back up wing isn't a bad deal.

It may never turn into a good deal but it's far from an albatross.

-Ian- · Post #800 » by **-Ian-** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 2:19 am