Not In The Face - The Jeremy Lin Thread 3 + 1

[Travers]

The reason for the Hornets improvement is well documented.

Batum pickup
Marvin breakout
Kemba improvement
Zeller move to c
Benching jefferson
Getting rid of stephenson, williams, neal, taylor, and maxiell
Switching lee for Hairston
Adding lamb

Lin was a slight upgrade over Brian roberts worth maybe 2 games....


If you really think lin is the reason for a 15 game win swing you're more delusional than I thought. Lebron was worth an estimated 15 wins this season

I agree that Lin should not get the most credit for Charlotte's improvement, but you are also being radical by selling him short too.

Too say Lin is only a "slight" improvement to Brian Roberts shows your bias against Lin.

Lin did record great games against Cavs, Spurs, Toronto..all 3 are playoff teams...

Lin averaged double digit in points while coming off the bench.....He was played 70% of his minutes as a 2guard so played out of his position and still managed to do decently well while playing alongside ball-dominant Kemba Walker and spend a lot of time in the corner.

To top it all, he played a huge part in the only 3 wins Charlotte recorded in the playoff...If Lin did not contribute in these 3 games, Charlotte would had lost all 3....For the playoff, He was much more influential than Batum or Al for that matter.

so after all of this, you only see him as a "slight improvement to Brian Robert"..really?

Only time will tell. Lets see if this team go back to lottery or remain in playoff when Lin signed elsewhere.

[lin is ok]

The reason for the Hornets improvement is well documented.

Batum pickup
Marvin breakout
Kemba improvement
Zeller move to c
Benching jefferson
Getting rid of stephenson, williams, neal, taylor, and maxiell
Switching lee for Hairston
Adding lamb

Lin was a slight upgrade over Brian roberts worth maybe 2 games....


If you really think lin is the reason for a 15 game win swing you're more delusional than I thought. Lebron was worth an estimated 15 wins this season

lol . 2 games? cavs and raptors only?

[Diop]

The reason for the Hornets improvement is well documented.

Batum pickup
Marvin breakout
Kemba improvement
Zeller move to c
Benching jefferson
Getting rid of stephenson, williams, neal, taylor, and maxiell
Switching lee for Hairston
Adding lamb

Lin was a slight upgrade over Brian roberts worth maybe 2 games....


If you really think lin is the reason for a 15 game win swing you're more delusional than I thought. Lebron was worth an estimated 15 wins this season

LOL, is this a trolling attempt???

Lin was a massive upgrade over Roberts and definitely worth a few wins. His defence alone helped Charlotte a ton.
He was our 6 man, combo guard and filled it well.

[rallydurham]

We won't need time to tell. The season already occured we just witnessed it.

Of course they won't return to the lottery if the only change is lin. If we lose marvin we certainly could

[Travers]

We won't need time to tell. The season already occured we just witnessed it.

Of course they won't return to the lottery if the only change is lin. If we lose marvin we certainly could

If talking about this season, Lin have won Hornets lots of game. GM confirmed that.
Help end losing streak to LBJ's team, help won 1st playoff game in 14 years.

[Travers]

The reason for the Hornets improvement is well documented.

Batum pickup
Marvin breakout
Kemba improvement
Zeller move to c
Benching jefferson
Getting rid of stephenson, williams, neal, taylor, and maxiell
Switching lee for Hairston
Adding lamb

Lin was a slight upgrade over Brian roberts worth maybe 2 games....


If you really think lin is the reason for a 15 game win swing you're more delusional than I thought. Lebron was worth an estimated 15 wins this season

LOL, is this a trolling attempt???

Lin was a massive upgrade over Roberts and definitely worth a few wins. His defence alone helped Charlotte a ton.
He was our 6 man, combo guard and filled it well.

we are feeding troll.

[rallydurham]

The more I look at this salary cap math the more I realize i was probably way off on lins projected salary though. He definitely could approach $10m/year if teams get crazy. Monta Ellis somehow got 4/$44 last year. Cory Joseph 4/$30. Brllinelli 3/$19...

Lin filling either guard spot adequately makes him a little more marketable to sign since he can fill both backup spots.

Also with the cap spiking another $20m next season we probably won't see much patience out of anyone since patience won't really pay off the next two seasons. Thats long enough to get a Gm fired

[Klazart]

The reason for the Hornets improvement is well documented.

Batum pickup
Marvin breakout
Kemba improvement
Zeller move to c
Benching jefferson
Getting rid of stephenson, williams, neal, taylor, and maxiell
Switching lee for Hairston
Adding lamb

Lin was a slight upgrade over Brian roberts worth maybe 2 games....


If you really think lin is the reason for a 15 game win swing you're more delusional than I thought. Lebron was worth an estimated 15 wins this season

LOL, is this a trolling attempt???

Lin was a massive upgrade over Roberts and definitely worth a few wins. His defence alone helped Charlotte a ton.
He was our 6 man, combo guard and filled it well.

we are feeding troll.

Yup. He is a clutchfans troll. Put him on ignore.

[rallydurham]

Go ahead and argue a single point made there. It was pretty obvious we benefitted from the list of reasons I gave. To argue lin is worth a 15 game improvement is beyond ridiculous. You guys are acting like he's Kevin durant

[2k15]

Only time will tell. Lets see if this team go back to lottery or remain in playoff when Lin signed elsewhere.

This team is not going to be a lottery team because Lin signs elsewhere next year. These are the type of comments that make people hate Lin fans... Why would you say something like this and especially if you know you are responding to a troll?

[Travers]

Only time will tell. Lets see if this team go back to lottery or remain in playoff when Lin signed elsewhere.

This team is not going to be a lottery team because Lin signs elsewhere next year. These are the type of comments that make people hate Lin fans... Why would you say something like this and especially if you know you are responding to a troll?

I am not responding to him, I am responding to the other, check the quote please.

Bulls and Wizards with 50% winning rate still a lottery this year. Hornets with a few games better is tied for playoff next year? If Lin is gone, making playoff would be a mountain to climb.

[2k15]

Bulls and Wizards with 50% winning rate still a lottery this year. Hornets with a few games better is tied for playoff next year? If Lin is gone, making playoff would be a mountain to climb.

It doesn't matter what the probabilities are, it still pisses people off when you say **** like that.

[Travers]

Bulls and Wizards with 50% winning rate still a lottery this year. Hornets with a few games better is tied for playoff next year? If Lin is gone, making playoff would be a mountain to climb.

It doesn't matter what the probabilities are, it still pisses people off when you say **** like that.

Team are either lottery team or playoff team, other than 2 to 3 in the east, who can say they are tied for playoff next year? With Lin gone, the second unit's production which ranked around top in the league is very likely to drop, making playoff would be extremely difficult. And I don't expect Bulls and Wizards to miss playoff again. So which 2 team to slip? These are common sense.

[2k15]

Bulls and Wizards with 50% winning rate still a lottery this year. Hornets with a few games better is tied for playoff next year? If Lin is gone, making playoff would be a mountain to climb.

It doesn't matter what the probabilities are, it still pisses people off when you say **** like that.

Team are either lottery team or playoff team, other than 2 to 3 in the east, who can say they are tied for playoff next year? With Lin gone, the second unit's production which ranked around top in the league is very likely to drop, making playoff would be extremely difficult. And I don't expect Bulls and Wizards to miss playoff again. So which 2 team to slip? There are common sense.

There are things you say and then there are the way you say things. Look, it's not my role to teach you how to play nice with people. I'm just letting you know how you're coming across.

[Travers]

It doesn't matter what the probabilities are, it still pisses people off when you say **** like that.

Team are either lottery team or playoff team, other than 2 to 3 in the east, who can say they are tied for playoff next year? With Lin gone, the second unit's production which ranked around top in the league is very likely to drop, making playoff would be extremely difficult. And I don't expect Bulls and Wizards to miss playoff again. So which 2 team to slip? There are common sense.

There are things you say and then there are the way you say things. Look, it's not my role to teach you how to play nice with people. I'm just letting you know how you're coming across.

Well I found your comments on me very "nice" then.

If you had read my comment,

"Only time will tell. Lets see if this team go back to lottery or remain in playoff when Lin signed elsewhere."

which gives 50/50 for the chance of the team making playoff, consider the competition in the east, I can't see this pissing anyone.

[2k15]

Well I found your comment on me very "nice" then.

If you had read my comment,

"Only time will tell. Lets see if this team go back to lottery or remain in playoff when Lin signed elsewhere."

which give 50/50 for the chance of the team making playoff, consider the competition in the east, I can't see this pissed anyone.

I didn't say anything about you - I said something about the words you used. It is not personal and I am moving on.

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[steady]

I posted this in Offseason thread but in case folks aren't visiting that thread as much, Im reposting here

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Reading YosemiteBen''s great breakdown of cap situation in the separate cap thread made free agency picture a lot clearer for me. This has probably been clear to all of you. Bird rights matter hugely and seem to cut against Lin's re-signing in Charlotte

Charlotte has Lin’s Non-Bird Rights (technically a form of Bird Rights), but because his cap would match the match the Non-Bird Exception ($2,682,306), that doesn’t matter here. It also doesn’t matter because Lin will command far more than that. So, cap space will be needed to re-sign him.

Assuming Hornets let Lee go, which seems likely for reasons people have stated, and assuming Marvin agrees to sign for $12.25, which he might (it might have been what Cho was referring to in press conference when he said Marvin wants to come back and we want him back), THEN

Hornets will have 11 roster spots filled, $14 M in free cap space and the full non-TP MLE available, as YB said, with open positions at backup PG (Lins spot) and backup center (Al's spot).

So Hornets could go after Lin but that would probably prevent them from signing Al or an even better big man option.

In addition, one advantage of resigning Al versus Lin in this situation is that even though renouncing a free agent like Hornets would be doing with Al normally resets their Bird rights, re-signing that player using other means like cap space here brings those rights back as long as they return to the same team like Al would be if he returned here. Bird rights woukd make Al easier to trade if they needed to.

This changes of course if Marvin decides he wants to go someplace else to get more money, but my guess is he stays if the Hornets offer him $12.25. And Hornets can offer Marvin $12.25 next year without going into cap space because of Early Bird Exception for Marvin

In the end the decision might shake out to a few basic calculations like these. This makes me understood Cho's comment about loving to see Lin come back but that Lin might be able to sign for more with others. (These were not Cho's words but how I heard them)

This means Hornets would have the most crucial pieces from last year coming back except Lin, and with MKG's return, a great group for 2016-2017

[uballer]

The reason for the Hornets improvement is well documented.

Batum pickup
Marvin breakout
Kemba improvement
Zeller move to c
Benching jefferson
Getting rid of stephenson, williams, neal, taylor, and maxiell
Switching lee for Hairston
Adding lamb

Lin was a slight upgrade over Brian roberts worth maybe 2 games....


If you really think lin is the reason for a 15 game win swing you're more delusional than I thought. Lebron was worth an estimated 15 wins this season

LOL, is this a trolling attempt???

Lin was a massive upgrade over Roberts and definitely worth a few wins. His defence alone helped Charlotte a ton.
He was our 6 man, combo guard and filled it well.

Yes, he is a troll that everyone can tell.

[2k15]

I posted this in Offseason thread but in case folks aren't visiting that thread as much, Im reposting here

Yeah, it is going to be hard to re-sign Lin for cap reasons due to his non-Bird status. I am not sure the Hornets need Al back to be honest. I do worry that Frank and Cody can't really bang with other bigs and so you may try to bring in a more physical big here with that leftover money. The question then becomes what is a bigger hole, our problems at 4/5 or at 1? That in part depends on the draft I suppose - if we can pick up another big body (as we are projected to do), we might feel ok with committing a ton of $$ to Lin.

[2k15]

Not sure if Lin fans had any hand in this

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