Fake Trade Thread #5

Rich4114 · Post #781 » by **Rich4114** » Tue Aug 1, 2023 3:02 pm

Honestly, a really good option if we could make salaries match would be to get Lowry from Miami as the backup PG. He brings everything this team currently lacks. I'm not a big Lowry fan, but having his leadership, toughness and ref manipulation would go a long way. Plus his 2pt shots count for 3 in Spectrum Center.

SWedd523 · Post #782 » by **SWedd523** » Tue Aug 1, 2023 3:05 pm

Of course he'd be a great option. That's why they aren't trading him for what we would offer

LofJ · Post #783 » by **LofJ** » Tue Aug 1, 2023 3:17 pm

SWedd523 wrote:Of course he'd be a great option. That's why they aren't trading him for what we would offer

You're telling me Miami won't take on extra salary for Rozier just because we asked nicely? What is the world coming to.

Rich4114 · Post #784 » by **Rich4114** » Tue Aug 1, 2023 4:54 pm

SWedd523 wrote:Of course he'd be a great option. That's why they aren't trading him for what we would offer

Well the thought would be to help facilitate a Dame trade, as much as I would not want to help Miami get better. But there are two major areas of need this team has right now and it's veteran experience/leadership and a backup point guard to play in between LaMelo and Theo. Lowry on this team would equal wins. Lowry on the Blazers does nothing.

I'd like to see us try to get more creative to tweak the roster and address the backup PG spot. And I have been on the trade Terry train for a long time, but I'm not sure what his perceived value is around the league.

SWedd523 · Post #785 » by **SWedd523** » Tue Aug 1, 2023 5:12 pm

I agree that Lowry works be a great get for the same reasons you mention, I just question the feasibility of making it happen.

Post #786 » by **Diop** » Tue Aug 1, 2023 10:58 pm

yeah i looked at a few different angles to get Lowry here, i think it would cost us at least a 1st.

Hayward could be included for matching expirings but there is no real reason for Miami to do it unless we give them something to offer Portland. We aren't offering Miller or Williams, so it would have to be a 1st as our other prospects are pretty "meh"

JMAC3 · Post #787 » by **JMAC3** » Tue Aug 1, 2023 11:00 pm

I think Miami would do Hayward for Lowry if we wanted. They have been rumored to be interested in the past.

However, I think Hayward is probably a better player who will get more minutes for us this year, so not really dying to get Lowry.

Post #788 » by **Diop** » Tue Aug 1, 2023 11:02 pm

JMAC3 wrote:I think Miami would do Hayward for Lowry if we wanted. They have been rumored to be interested in the past.

However, I think Hayward is probably a better player who will get more minutes for us this year, so not really dying to get Lowry.

i dont, the salary is needed for the Lillard trade, otherwise if keeping the player Lowry fits the culture and is great friends with Butler. Hayward is injured and will be lucky to play 50 games, its just what he is

JMAC3 · Post #789 » by **JMAC3** » Tue Aug 1, 2023 11:08 pm

Diop wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:I think Miami would do Hayward for Lowry if we wanted. They have been rumored to be interested in the past.

However, I think Hayward is probably a better player who will get more minutes for us this year, so not really dying to get Lowry.

i dont, the salary is needed for the Lillard trade, otherwise if keeping the player Lowry fits the culture and is great friends with Butler. Hayward is injured and will be lucky to play 50 games, its just what he is

Lowry played 140 more mins than Hayward did this year.
If we do land Lowry, he will play at most 20 mpg.
Just a lot more opportunity for Hayward to find minutes with our current roster makeup.

If we are saying Lowry is involved in Dame trade then Portland would probably take any expiring's and 2nd over having Lowry.

Post #790 » by **luciano-davidwesley** » Wed Aug 2, 2023 1:27 am

There's no universe where Lowry is worth a first.

Post #791 » by **Diop** » Wed Aug 2, 2023 4:33 am

JMAC3 wrote:
Diop wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:I think Miami would do Hayward for Lowry if we wanted. They have been rumored to be interested in the past.

However, I think Hayward is probably a better player who will get more minutes for us this year, so not really dying to get Lowry.

i dont, the salary is needed for the Lillard trade, otherwise if keeping the player Lowry fits the culture and is great friends with Butler. Hayward is injured and will be lucky to play 50 games, its just what he is

Lowry played 140 more mins than Hayward did this year.
If we do land Lowry, he will play at most 20 mpg.
Just a lot more opportunity for Hayward to find minutes with our current roster makeup.

If we are saying Lowry is involved in Dame trade then Portland would probably take any expiring's and 2nd over having Lowry.

Lowry is expiring, i guess you might be able to entice with a few seconds and if its doing Lowry a favour. That might work, i just dont see it happening

Post #792 » by **Diop** » Wed Aug 2, 2023 4:35 am

luciano-davidwesley wrote:There's no universe where Lowry is worth a first.

im not saying he is, im just saying we will need to offer something for the teams to include us in their trade.

LofJ · Post #793 » by **LofJ** » Wed Aug 2, 2023 1:35 pm

I'm expecting a sign and trade of PJ at this point. I just hope we can land another 1st like we did with Graham. The Thunder are probably our best bet. Davis Bertans and the Clippers 2024 1st might be the best return we can expect. I'd rather just sign him, but if we were going to do that he'd be under contract by now.

Rich4114 · Post #794 » by **Rich4114** » Wed Aug 2, 2023 2:44 pm

The PJ thing is weird. There was this interaction allegedly, via Instagram Live last night:

Read on Twitter

So I'd say a S&T is certainly on the table. Now I wish we got Grant Williams because I'd rather have him locked up at $14-$15m or whatever he signed for instead of possibly losing PJ for nothing or only getting peanuts in return. We will have a pretty big hole at the 4 if PJ isn't brought back.

Chapelchilla · Post #795 » by **Chapelchilla** » Wed Aug 2, 2023 3:47 pm

Rich4114 wrote:The PJ thing is weird. There was this interaction allegedly, via Instagram Live last night:

Read on Twitter

So I'd say a S&T is certainly on the table. Now I wish we got Grant Williams because I'd rather have him locked up at $14-$15m or whatever he signed for instead of possibly losing PJ for nothing or only getting peanuts in return. We will have a pretty big hole at the 4 if PJ isn't brought back.

Bridges and Thor are fine at the 4. PJ is nice depth and insurance against Miles leaving at the right price.

JMAC3 · Post #796 » by **JMAC3** » Wed Aug 2, 2023 3:51 pm

Chapelchilla wrote:
Rich4114 wrote:The PJ thing is weird. There was this interaction allegedly, via Instagram Live last night:

Read on Twitter

So I'd say a S&T is certainly on the table. Now I wish we got Grant Williams because I'd rather have him locked up at $14-$15m or whatever he signed for instead of possibly losing PJ for nothing or only getting peanuts in return. We will have a pretty big hole at the 4 if PJ isn't brought back.

Bridges and Thor are fine at the 4. PJ is nice depth and insurance against Miles leaving at the right price.

Bridges is out for 10 games, leaving Thor as the only PF on the roster. Gross.

Also, don't love the idea of playing Thor 20 mpg as the main backup tbh.

Post #797 » by **yosemiteben** » Wed Aug 2, 2023 4:04 pm

Rich4114 wrote:The PJ thing is weird. There was this interaction allegedly, via Instagram Live last night:

Read on Twitter

So I'd say a S&T is certainly on the table. Now I wish we got Grant Williams because I'd rather have him locked up at $14-$15m or whatever he signed for instead of possibly losing PJ for nothing or only getting peanuts in return. We will have a pretty big hole at the 4 if PJ isn't brought back.

I am very confused as to why either response by PJ is not totally obvious? We know he's still negotiating his contract terms and we know it's possible that he could be traded. Not sure what we were supposed to learn from that.

Rich4114 · Post #798 » by **Rich4114** » Wed Aug 2, 2023 6:34 pm

JMAC3 wrote:
Chapelchilla wrote:
Rich4114 wrote:The PJ thing is weird. There was this interaction allegedly, via Instagram Live last night:

Read on Twitter

So I'd say a S&T is certainly on the table. Now I wish we got Grant Williams because I'd rather have him locked up at $14-$15m or whatever he signed for instead of possibly losing PJ for nothing or only getting peanuts in return. We will have a pretty big hole at the 4 if PJ isn't brought back.

Bridges and Thor are fine at the 4. PJ is nice depth and insurance against Miles leaving at the right price.

Bridges is out for 10 games, leaving Thor as the only PF on the roster. Gross.

Also, don't love the idea of playing Thor 20 mpg as the main backup tbh.

I agree. I don't see how they can go into the season with the line "the talent is already here" and then we trot out with JT Thor as the starting or primary backup PF.

LofJ · Post #799 » by **LofJ** » Tue Aug 8, 2023 9:07 pm

Given the PJ interest from Cleveland and the Pelicans interest in Jarrett Allen I think a 3 team trade could materialize.

Larry Nance and Kira Lewis to the Hornets
Jarrett Allen and Okoro to the Pelicans
Washington and Valanciunas to the Cavs

And whatever picks needed to bridge the gap(s).

Nance is supposedly a great guy to have in your locker-room and he could replace a lot of what PJ gave us. And Kira Lewis is a flyer on a former lottery point guard who has been given very little opportunity in his career. He was known for being super fast with the ball and a good shooter.

JMAC3 · Post #800 » by **JMAC3** » Tue Aug 8, 2023 9:49 pm

LofJ wrote:Given the PJ interest from Cleveland and the Pelicans interest in Jarrett Allen I think a 3 team trade could materialize.

Larry Nance and Kira Lewis to the Hornets
Jarrett Allen and Okoro to the Pelicans
Washington and Valanciunas to the Cavs

And whatever picks needed to bridge the gap(s).

Nance is supposedly a great guy to have in your locker-room and he could replace a lot of what PJ gave us. And Kira Lewis is a flyer on a former lottery point guard who has been given very little opportunity in his career. He was known for being super fast with the ball and a good shooter.

This reeks of
-"PJ is a bench player.. you can't pay a bench player 18 million per year."
- "What about 2 players making 16 million combined that are both worse than him but combined make nearly the same money? That way you don't have too good/expensive of a player coming off the bench."

lol