NBA ChoK16 - the Rich Cho Thread

ammofan · Post #81 » by **ammofan** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 9:38 pm

JMAC3 wrote:so far this offseason...

We have upgraded from....
Dunlap to Clifford/Ewing/Price
Tyrus to Al Jefferson
Mullens to Cody Zeller

Hopefully next...
Henderson to Mayo
Reggie to Dorell Wright

looks great to me...dunno how likely it is to happen. I'm really curious to find out how much OJ wants.

Eoghan · Post #82 » by **Eoghan** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 10:03 pm

JDuaneWayne wrote:I want to give a big DX salute to all those who were moaning draft for talent trade for need. It's obvious Zeller was Cho's BPA on draft day when they sign both McBob and Al Jeff. This guy is shrewd, I'm a big fan

Elaborate please? The only thing that is obvious is that he drafted the best not currently injured big at the time.

JDuaneWayne · Post #83 » by **JDuaneWayne** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 10:08 pm

BrotherDave wrote:
JDuaneWayne wrote:I want to give a big DX salute to all those who were moaning draft for talent trade for need. It's obvious Zeller was Cho's BPA on draft day when they sign both McBob and Al Jeff. This guy is shrewd, I'm a big fan

Elaborate please? The only thing that is obvious is that he drafted the best not currently injured big at the time.

We drafted a 4, resigned a 4 and signed a 4/5 to a large deal. There were plenty of moves to be had for bigs. He is confident in himself. It is yet to be seem how it pays off, but when he has his man he stays there an selects his man.

Post #84 » by **fatlever** » Thu Jan 2, 2014 5:07 pm

i would really love for someone to explain to me the difference in roles between rod higgins and rich cho. the past 3 years, it appears they are basically interchangeable, yet they have different job titles. it would be nice to know who the fans should address their concerns with.

if they are jointly making all decisions, then they both need to be held accountable. if cho is the man in charge, then why does higgins still seem to have so much input? if higgins is the man in charge, then what was the point of hiring cho?

why does it feel like some choices are cho's and some are higgins' and those choices don't always seem to move in the same direction.

the bottom line is this - if someone needs to be fired over the lack of incompetence shown by this front office over the past 3 years, who should get the ax? both? cho? or higgins?

mrknowitall215 · Post #85 » by **mrknowitall215** » Thu Jan 2, 2014 5:15 pm

My Assumptions (based on little intel)

Drafting Bismack Biyombo was Rich Cho

Drafting Kemba Walker was a ode to Michael Jordan from Rich Cho

Hiring Mike Dunlap was Rod Higgins

Drafting Michael Kidd-Gilchrist was a joint decision both Rich Cho/Rod Higgins agreed upon

Hiring Steve Clifford was a joint decision both Rich Cho/Rod Higgins agreed upon

Drafting Cody Zeller was Rich Cho

Signing Al Jefferson was Rod Higgins

Post #86 » by **fatlever** » Thu Jan 2, 2014 6:11 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:My Assumptions (based on little intel)

Drafting Bismack Biyombo was Rich Cho

Drafting Kemba Walker was a ode to Michael Jordan from Rich Cho

Hiring Mike Dunlap was Rod Higgins

Drafting Michael Kidd-Gilchrist was a joint decision both Rich Cho/Rod Higgins agreed upon

Hiring Steve Clifford was a joint decision both Rich Cho/Rod Higgins agreed upon

Drafting Cody Zeller was Rich Cho

Signing Al Jefferson was Rod Higgins

i 100% agree with your list based on what i have read.

and this is exactly what worries me, because it shows that neither of them is in control, that sometimes its cho, sometimes its higgins and sometimes its both. the decisions dont always look like the same goal is in mind.

mrknowitall215 · Post #87 » by **mrknowitall215** » Thu Jan 2, 2014 6:17 pm

Worrisome indeed. It appears that they take turns on decisions. As if Cho is designated to player personnel decisions (draft picks & trades) while Higgins is in control over every other basketball operation like coaching staff & free-agent signings, but they both get to give input to each other on what they'd recommend

EwingSweatsALot · Post #88 » by **EwingSweatsALot** » Thu Jan 2, 2014 7:04 pm

fatlever wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:My Assumptions (based on little intel)

Drafting Bismack Biyombo was Rich Cho

Drafting Kemba Walker was a ode to Michael Jordan from Rich Cho

Hiring Mike Dunlap was Rod Higgins

Drafting Michael Kidd-Gilchrist was a joint decision both Rich Cho/Rod Higgins agreed upon

Hiring Steve Clifford was a joint decision both Rich Cho/Rod Higgins agreed upon

Drafting Cody Zeller was Rich Cho

Signing Al Jefferson was Rod Higgins

i 100% agree with your list based on what i have read.

and this is exactly what worries me, because it shows that neither of them is in control, that sometimes its cho, sometimes its higgins and sometimes its both. the decisions dont always look like the same goal is in mind.

Based on this and what our franchise has been since Cho has arrived, it explains everything about the Bobcats. You basically have two guys in control with two differing styles of the way to get the Bobcats better and it has shown in the personnel moves. It shows why we can't stick with a plan for more than 2 years.

I've never been a big fan of Cho's, but he is not the problem in this situation. The fact our front office isn't on the same page with how our franchise should progress into the future is just abysmal. Either get rid of Higgins(preferable, but won't happen) or get rid of Cho(most likely to happen, but not a positive) and get guys in there that are on the same page with each other.

Post #89 » by **JDR720** » Thu Jan 2, 2014 7:33 pm

If Cho's job is on the line i think the new GM should either be someone from the Spurs or a former GM that knows how to build a team

LamarMatic7 · Post #90 » by **LamarMatic7** » Thu Jan 2, 2014 7:35 pm

Honestly, I don't know what to think. I just can't "be a fan" of Rich Cho since our front office doesn't leak much information and I don't understand the pecking order.

Should I be fan of Cho just because he was a part of OKC's ingenious plan to tank and draft good players? We could have thought of that without him. If he was the one guy who made the right decision about drafting Westbrook and Harden, I guess so. But do we actually know that? He was assistant general manager (or assistant to the general manager) at OKC, right?

Post #91 » by **JDR720** » Thu Jan 2, 2014 7:47 pm

LamarMatic7 wrote:Honestly, I don't know what to think. I just can't "be a fan" of Rich Cho since our front office doesn't leak much information and I don't understand the pecking order.

Should I be fan of Cho just because he was a part of OKC's ingenious plan to tank and draft good players? We could have thought of that without him. If he was the one guy who made the right decision about drafting Westbrook and Harden, I guess so. But do we actually know that? He was assistant general manager (or assistant to the general manager) at OKC, right?

he was the assistant general manager in OKC and the GM in Portland before he got to Charlotte

Post #92 » by **JDR720** » Thu Jan 2, 2014 7:50 pm

he has a law degree and a degree in mechanical engineering....kinda of a strange combination of degrees i think

mrknowitall215 · Post #93 » by **mrknowitall215** » Thu Jan 2, 2014 7:57 pm

LamarMatic7 wrote:Honestly, I don't know what to think. I just can't "be a fan" of Rich Cho since our front office doesn't leak much information and I don't understand the pecking order.

Should I be fan of Cho just because he was a part of OKC's ingenious plan to tank and draft good players? We could have thought of that without him. If he was the one guy who made the right decision about drafting Westbrook and Harden, I guess so. But do we actually know that? He was assistant general manager (or assistant to the general manager) at OKC, right?

I think that's what supposed to be the ingenious thing about Cho as a (assistant) GM, that he know how to spot the unlikely pick that will turn into a star, unforeseen to many, but expectantly of him due to his analytics system. That's why Charlotte fans may have seen a lot of draft picks during Cho's tenure that may be perceived as reaches such as Biyombo, Zeller, and to lesser extent, MKG. Many believe that Cho was the mastermind behind Sam Presti in OKC that helped him scope out talent like Westbrook & Ibaka ahead of their projected values in the draft

LamarMatic7 · Post #94 » by **LamarMatic7** » Thu Jan 2, 2014 8:03 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:
LamarMatic7 wrote:Honestly, I don't know what to think. I just can't "be a fan" of Rich Cho since our front office doesn't leak much information and I don't understand the pecking order.

Should I be fan of Cho just because he was a part of OKC's ingenious plan to tank and draft good players? We could have thought of that without him. If he was the one guy who made the right decision about drafting Westbrook and Harden, I guess so. But do we actually know that? He was assistant general manager (or assistant to the general manager) at OKC, right?

I think that's what supposed to be the ingenious thing about Cho as a (assistant) GM, that he know how to spot the unlikely pick that will turn into a star, unforeseen to many, but expectantly of him due to his analytics system. That's why Charlotte fans may have seen a lot of draft picks during Cho's tenure that may be perceived as reaches such as Biyombo, Zeller, and to lesser extent, MKG. Many believe that Cho was the mastermind behind Sam Presti in OKC that helped him scope out talent like Westbrook & Ibaka ahead of their projected values in the draft

Ok. But do we just believe or is that fact? That he was instrumental in the drafting of Westbrook and Harden.

mrknowitall215 · Post #95 » by **mrknowitall215** » Thu Jan 2, 2014 8:11 pm

LamarMatic7 wrote:Ok. But do we just believe or is that fact? That he was instrumental in the drafting of Westbrook and Harden.

It's not set in stone as a fact, so we have no choice but to believe unless Presti modestly come out & say that Cho was the true brain behind his success in the NBA. Personally, I believe that Cho just had input & probably suggested those reaches based on his analytics, but Presti made the final decision & was likely already leaning in those directions in which they chose

-Ian- · Post #96 » by **-Ian-** » Fri Jan 3, 2014 3:53 am

If Cho can't address the shooting / scoring woes of this team by the trade deadline, his head should be hanged!!!

Eoghan · Post #97 » by **Eoghan** » Fri Jan 3, 2014 5:48 am

Best case scenario is Higgins gets fired and replaced by Cho to handle the day-to-day running of the team, trades, etc, and a shrewd eye for talent handles the drafting, preferably somebody that has played basketball.

-Ian- · Post #98 » by **-Ian-** » Fri Jan 3, 2014 5:52 am

BrotherDave wrote:Best case scenario is Higgins gets fired and replaced by Cho to handle the day-to-day running of the team, trades, etc, and a shrewd eye for talent handles the drafting, preferably somebody that has played basketball.

Higgins getting fired is nothing but wishful thinking.

Eoghan · Post #99 » by **Eoghan** » Fri Jan 3, 2014 5:55 am

-Ian- wrote:
BrotherDave wrote:Best case scenario is Higgins gets fired and replaced by Cho to handle the day-to-day running of the team, trades, etc, and a shrewd eye for talent handles the drafting, preferably somebody that has played basketball.

Higgins getting fired is nothing but wishful thinking.

At some point MJ has to prove Barkley wrong and fire his biggest lapdog.*

*one can hope, anyway.

mrknowitall215 · Post #100 » by **mrknowitall215** » Fri Jan 3, 2014 6:01 am

If Rod Higgins had any dignity, he would step down, but I think his pride along with his bank account wouldn't agree to such demotions. Michael Jordan will have to do it himself. One would wonder though, does Higgins have some type of hold on Jordan in which he would feel like he owes him? It could be anything from loyalty of friendship to blackmail. Just something to consider