Pargo Re-signs 1y, 1.45mil (pg 6)

[lmcguir5]

Does anyone know when Curry will actually be cleared to play?

[Lottery_Mafia]

Does anyone know when Curry will actually be cleared to play?

Yeah, he is currently working out for accelerate basketball. His entire workout regime has geared him to be 100% ready for team workouts that start mid-late August.

[HornetJail]

Pargo just shot 12 of 15 from three in a 2k game I was playing.

We signed the right guy.

[LamarMatic7]

So it turns out Jannero attempted the most field goals per blowout during the last season:
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-bas ... ast-season

A fun article to read. Notice that Byron Mullens and Reggie Williams also appear on the lists.

[HornetJail]

Don't look now, but Jannero is 16th in the league in per minute scoring, just behind Kyrie Irving and just ahead of Derozan, Big Al, Isiah Thomas, Kevin Martin, and Goran Dragic. Everyone above him on the list is playing 30+ minutes a game and the only non-star is Jamal Crawford.

Also can we add this thread to the Bobcats Board index?

[Radu_Hornets]

I put a new topic since it's very long and I'd really like to know what you guys think about this...


Ok so If I'm right, we either want to get between the 6th and 4th seed either we drop out of the playoffs and keep our pick.

I'm in the playoffs team, so here what I just thought:

The few games we've seen Mucho Jannero on the floor he showed the ability to score 3 pointers quite easily. I would say that he is around the level of Tolliver which is good since Tolliver is top 10 in 3PFG%. Pargo has a better 3PFG% (.475) but not enough 3PFGM to be taken into account.

And I don't understand why we don't try to use him a bit more since we really lack of 3 pts shooter.

Our other small problem is McRocberts starting job, he would be such a Luxury PF substitute, so if we could use Ben Gordon (+ PDX pick ) to get a real Starting PF that can cover the lack of defense from Al and also score if needed (Gibson would be my best guess, he's a guy who's used to play 25 min, so McBob would still got plenty of PT) , moove McBob with the second unit and our bench would be much stronger. Moreover, his ability to pass would cover Sessions inability to create. I'm sure that Biyombo would be much more effective spending more minutes with McBob than with Zeller.

Oh yeah, speaking of Zeller, in my theory, he is a bit put aside... As a lot of us think, I believe that he is not ready, and maybe we could deal with him as OKC dealt with Lamb last year. Like we know that he as a great potential and upgrade, but we want to be as effective as possible at the moment for the playoffs, so we put him aside...


Now that I put McRoberts on the bench, his 3point scoring hurts our spacing, but here is my solution (and I agree that doesn't sound very sexy). Put Mucho Janero in the starting lineup at the 2, and play him aside jefferson, so when he got doubled, he just kicked it out to jannero and boumshakalaka 3pts. Moreover, the ball movement would increase in the starting line-up since jannero Pargo has a better court vision and pass the rock better than hendo.
In this story, Henderson would be used as Ginobili in 09-10 with the Spurs. He was still getting almost 30 min coming off the bench.
When Pargo wouldn't be on the court, Tolliver would be there and try to limit as much as possible the time when there is no straight 3pt shooter on the floor.

MKG is still very important in this idea since he would have to cover the lack of defense by Pargo, and enjoy the increased spacing.

I think that our bench would be one of the best in the NBA while our starting lineup would have stayed almost as efficient... if not even more efficient.


Players efficiency statement with new line-up:

Kemba Walker: He runs more the offense with mcBob on the bench
Gerald Henderson: depending on how he can get used to its new role, with around 3 min less on the floor, but he could be the leader of the second unit.
MKG: More space due to Pargo, easier to get to the basket: positive improvement
McRoberts: getting less minutes, but can run the offense of the second unit and serves biyombo in the post thanks to his drives to the basket
Jefferson: FG% increase with an additional shooter next to him that is a real threat outside
Sessions: Less minutes du to Pargo at 2, so probably less "tunnel vision offense"
Pargo: Depending on if he can still be efficient on a regular basis with few minutes.
Tolliver: Unchanged
Starting PF: Depending on who we'd take
Biyombo: More easy basket thanks to the presence of McBob with the second unit. AND if McBob continues to strike the 3 at a good rate, it should leave Biyombo more alone in the paint with the PF of the other forced to defend McBob next to the 3pt line. That leave us with more offensive rebound.
Cody: Confidence might go down a lot... which is bad I agree...


Line-up:

Walker - Sessions
Pargo - Hendo
MKG - Tolliver
Starting PF - McBob
Big Al - Biyombo


I know it's very odd, but I think that could, I said could, work well for us.

[JDuaneWayne]

I think if we are ever going to be really successful something similar to this needs to happen. Even though you list Pargo as starting at the 2, I would make him the primary ball handler of the first unit, having Kemba play the off guard on offense.

It isn't perfect by any means, but if not Pargo this year, we definitely need a guard to play along side Kemba who can be the primary ball handler. Randy Foye would be someone I would look at next season, since I highly doubt he is available via trade right now. Had the Pelicans not gave Tyreke that massive contract I think he would have been a nice fit as well.

[LamarMatic7]

it's very easy to overrate a player's production on limited minutes and assume that he could keep his efficiency up with increased minutes. high volume shooters and high energy guys with limited playing time are usually the best examples of this.

I don't think Pargo's success would transfer well to a starting role at all. He's horrendous on D as it is and during the time span that Kemba was out he constantly traded buckets with the other team's point guard. Putting him in the 2 spot would be a disaster. Other guys would be forced to collapse a lot and we'd give up threes. Defense is what got us where we are now. Jannero Pargo doesn't offer enough offensive up-side to give up to this degree on defense.

Meanwhile, on offense he is a chucker. For every cool stint of made difficult jumpers he's had, he's had periods of missing terrible shots. Sometimes it happens in the same game. He'll go 3/3 and continue chucking despite missing every next shot. With increased playing time, his percentages will go down. I don't think that we need that alongside another ball-dominant guard in Kemba.

The last team that relied on Pargo (also alongside a good point guard in Chris Paul) regrets it mightily. The one time Nawlins made it to the second round and actually had a 3-2 lead against the Spurs, Pargo went .279 FG% from the field in the 7-game series. And that was the prime Jannero Pargo. We have the 34-year-old Jannero Pargo.

The idea of putting a good shooter in the 2 spot is obviously good. But that shouldn't be a 34-year-old 6-1 journey man (this really could have been the only point I make in this discussion). Pargo fits in the position we have for him. Veteran mentor for the young guys who can come in and shoot the ball, yet knows that most nights he won't get any burn. And rightfully so.

[catch20two]

I think if we are ever going to be really successful something similar to this needs to happen. Even though you list Pargo as starting at the 2, I would make him the primary ball handler of the first unit, having Kemba play the off guard on offense.

It isn't perfect by any means, but if not Pargo this year, we definitely need a guard to play along side Kemba who can be the primary ball handler. Randy Foye would be someone I would look at next season, since I highly doubt he is available via trade right now. Had the Pelicans not gave Tyreke that massive contract I think he would have been a nice fit as well.

We don't need no guard next to Kemba that'll be a PRIMARY ballhandler. Kemba has one of the tightest handles in the league as evidenced by us having the least turnovers in the league and he's becoming quite the distributor lately while he grows as a player. However we do need a SG or SF that could be a secondary ballhandler in the starting lineup because using McBob shouldn't be ideal.

[BobsBuddy]

Nice Try my friend,but our team is crowed on the bench at 2 with 6'1" Gunners like Gordon and Pargo. Do you know why Ben Gordon has" Shined the Pine" so much this season? He cannot play defense up to Coach Cliffords standards. Neither can Pargo. Pargo is on this team because he is a journeyman veteran and a reasonable salaried choice for a 3rd point guard. If you want a 2 guard that will make a difference we need to save our expiring contract money and go after Lance Stephenson or someone like him in the league.

[Eoghan]

Our other small problem is McRocberts starting job, he would be such a Luxury PF substitute, so if we could use Ben Gordon (+ PDX pick ) to get a real Starting PF that can cover the lack of defense from Al and also score if needed (Gibson would be my best guess, he's a guy who's used to play 25 min, so McBob would still got plenty of PT) ,

I literally don't think that guy exists on the market currently. I have serious reservations of Gibson fitting that role. Gibson will want touches also and the last thing we should be putting beside Al is a big that wants the ball in his hands. If Biz had been developed as a PF he'd be just about a perfect fit alongside Al.

[HornetJail]

Pargo isn't keeping his current pace up against starting shooting guards. You can strike this idea right now. He gets his points by shooting wildly against other team's reserves.

[gehenherzog]

34 year old Pargo is a better shooter than prime Pargo

[JDuaneWayne]

I think if we are ever going to be really successful something similar to this needs to happen. Even though you list Pargo as starting at the 2, I would make him the primary ball handler of the first unit, having Kemba play the off guard on offense.

It isn't perfect by any means, but if not Pargo this year, we definitely need a guard to play along side Kemba who can be the primary ball handler. Randy Foye would be someone I would look at next season, since I highly doubt he is available via trade right now. Had the Pelicans not gave Tyreke that massive contract I think he would have been a nice fit as well.

We don't need no guard next to Kemba that'll be a PRIMARY ballhandler. Kemba has one of the tightest handles in the league as evidenced by us having the least turnovers in the league and he's becoming quite the distributor lately while he grows as a player. However we do need a SG or SF that could be a secondary ballhandler in the starting lineup because using McBob shouldn't be ideal.

He does not have "tight" handles. He doesn't have a lot of turnovers but he doesn't take very many chances on higher risk passes.

[catch20two]

I think if we are ever going to be really successful something similar to this needs to happen. Even though you list Pargo as starting at the 2, I would make him the primary ball handler of the first unit, having Kemba play the off guard on offense.

It isn't perfect by any means, but if not Pargo this year, we definitely need a guard to play along side Kemba who can be the primary ball handler. Randy Foye would be someone I would look at next season, since I highly doubt he is available via trade right now. Had the Pelicans not gave Tyreke that massive contract I think he would have been a nice fit as well.

We don't need no guard next to Kemba that'll be a PRIMARY ballhandler. Kemba has one of the tightest handles in the league as evidenced by us having the least turnovers in the league and he's becoming quite the distributor lately while he grows as a player. However we do need a SG or SF that could be a secondary ballhandler in the starting lineup because using McBob shouldn't be ideal.

He does not have "tight" handles. He doesn't have a lot of turnovers but he doesn't take very many chances on higher risk passes.

So you're telling me that Randy Foye has better handles than Kemba?

And Kemba does have "tight" handles if anybody that know basketball know that he has one of the most wicked crossovers in the NBA.

[gehenherzog]

I think if we are ever going to be really successful something similar to this needs to happen. Even though you list Pargo as starting at the 2, I would make him the primary ball handler of the first unit, having Kemba play the off guard on offense.

It isn't perfect by any means, but if not Pargo this year, we definitely need a guard to play along side Kemba who can be the primary ball handler. Randy Foye would be someone I would look at next season, since I highly doubt he is available via trade right now. Had the Pelicans not gave Tyreke that massive contract I think he would have been a nice fit as well.

We don't need no guard next to Kemba that'll be a PRIMARY ballhandler. Kemba has one of the tightest handles in the league as evidenced by us having the least turnovers in the league and he's becoming quite the distributor lately while he grows as a player. However we do need a SG or SF that could be a secondary ballhandler in the starting lineup because using McBob shouldn't be ideal.

He does not have "tight" handles. He doesn't have a lot of turnovers but he doesn't take very many chances on higher risk passes.

Umm, what? Have you been paying attention at all?

[Radu_Hornets]

Thanks for all the thoughts !

Just wanted to say that I didn't see this as a long term solution, more like trying to improve the level of the team with the asset we have right now.

Moreover I know that Jannero is not a good fit for a starting spot, but he wouldn't have a starting role, just like 9-10 min a game. We are not forced to put our 5 best players in the starting 5...

But I have to agree that against starting SG, he would have difficulties in defense and that would be painful.

[JDuaneWayne]

We don't need no guard next to Kemba that'll be a PRIMARY ballhandler. Kemba has one of the tightest handles in the league as evidenced by us having the least turnovers in the league and he's becoming quite the distributor lately while he grows as a player. However we do need a SG or SF that could be a secondary ballhandler in the starting lineup because using McBob shouldn't be ideal.

He does not have "tight" handles. He doesn't have a lot of turnovers but he doesn't take very many chances on higher risk passes.

So you're telling me that Randy Foye has better handles than Kemba?

And Kemba does have "tight" handles if anybody that know basketball know that he has one of the most wicked crossovers in the NBA.

I knew you were going to mention his crossover, and a nice crossover is not necessarily indicative of having tight handles, but I guess I don't know anything about basketball.

[catch20two]

He does not have "tight" handles. He doesn't have a lot of turnovers but he doesn't take very many chances on higher risk passes.

So you're telling me that Randy Foye has better handles than Kemba?

And Kemba does have "tight" handles if anybody that know basketball know that he has one of the most wicked crossovers in the NBA.

I knew you were going to mention his crossover, and a nice crossover is not necessarily indicative of having tight handles, but I guess I don't know anything about basketball.

You still haven't answered my question on whether or not if you think Randy Foye has a better handle than Kemba since you mentioned acquiring him as a PRIMARY ballhandler and moving Kemba off the ball. Your answer will tell me a lot about how much should I read into your posts moving forward.

[JDuaneWayne]

So you're telling me that Randy Foye has better handles than Kemba?

And Kemba does have "tight" handles if anybody that know basketball know that he has one of the most wicked crossovers in the NBA.

I knew you were going to mention his crossover, and a nice crossover is not necessarily indicative of having tight handles, but I guess I don't know anything about basketball.

You still haven't answered my question on whether or not if you think Randy Foye has a better handle than Kemba since you mentioned acquiring him as a PRIMARY ballhandler and moving Kemba off the ball. Your answer will tell me a lot about how much should I read into your posts moving forward.

It depends on what we are talking about, Randy Foye tries to make a lot of passes Kemba will never try to make so there's that. As far as handles, they are likely comparable, but the whole idea was Kemba would be better off the ball in my opinion. Stats may say otherwise, but Kemba doesn't meet the distributor eye test to me, but he does meet the scoring test and I think a move to the off guard, with a bigger guard to cover him would be idea. Kyle Lowry would be good too, but we aren't getting him. So read what you want into my post moving forward what you would like.