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Re: Robin to Kemba's Batman - The Jeremy Lamb Thread 

Post#81 » by catch20two » Sat Feb 7, 2015 2:41 am

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catch20two wrote:I'm sure there's plenty of teams around the league showing interest in Lamb but Presti might be asking for too much for a benchwarmer and that's why he's still in OKC.


That and if presti trades him he would be admitting the Harden trade was a failure and possibly the worst move in recent NBA history (not like everyone doesn't already know that)

Presti might be the most overrated GM getting exposed lately. He lucked into a few draft picks that went as good as a GM could imagine with KD, Westbrook, Harden, and Ibaka but he's not good at making trades or adding talent. I haven't seen that team improve since they went to the Finals 4 years ago. That team of talent should have at least one ring by now.
They will wage war against the Lamb but the Lamb will triumph them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings - and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers." Revelation 17:14 (NIV)
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Re: Robin to Kemba's Batman - The Jeremy Lamb Thread 

Post#82 » by Joest2003 » Sat Feb 7, 2015 2:45 am

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catch20two wrote:I'm sure there's plenty of teams around the league showing interest in Lamb but Presti might be asking for too much for a benchwarmer and that's why he's still in OKC.


That and if presti trades him he would be admitting the Harden trade was a failure and possibly the worst move in recent NBA history (not like everyone doesn't already know that)

Presti might be the most overrated GM getting exposed lately. He lucked into a few draft picks that went as good as a GM could imagine with KD, Westbrook, Harden, and Ibaka but he's not good at making trades or adding talent. I haven't seen that team improve since they went to the Finals 4 years ago. That team of talent should have at least one ring by now.


I been saying that for a while. Him and Brooks hit the lottery with KD and RW and have been riding the wave the whole time. Not doing ONE thing to actually improve the team or develop the players or actually create a system. Its all just been throw the ball to KD or Russ and let them go to work. Easily one of the worst run offenses in the league and ive heard it discussed multiple times by professional basketball anaylsts.
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Re: Robin to Kemba's Batman - The Jeremy Lamb Thread 

Post#83 » by catch20two » Sat Feb 7, 2015 2:46 am

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catch20two wrote:OKC was about to get Brook Lopez for Lamb and Perkins' expiring corpse. No way you can tell me that Lamb has NO VALUE. Presti's asking price is just too much.

2 offers available for Lopez:

JJ Hickson and Javale McGee

Perkins, Lamb, Lance



And I'd argue Perk is better given he's expiring than McGee. So there's that.

I expect the Nets to revisit the original 3-team trade with Lance, Perkins, Lamb, for Lopez and Jack around the deadline if Billy King hasn't burned the bridge.
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Re: Robin to Kemba's Batman - The Jeremy Lamb Thread 

Post#84 » by Joest2003 » Sat Feb 7, 2015 2:48 am

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bondom34 wrote:
catch20two wrote:OKC was about to get Brook Lopez for Lamb and Perkins' expiring corpse. No way you can tell me that Lamb has NO VALUE. Presti's asking price is just too much.

2 offers available for Lopez:

JJ Hickson and Javale McGee

Perkins, Lamb, Lance



And I'd argue Perk is better given he's expiring than McGee. So there's that.

I expect the Nets to revisit the original 3-team trade with Lance, Perkins, Lamb, for Lopez and Jack around the deadline if Billy King hasn't burned the bridge.


I hope so, I love Lance hence the profile picture but him and Walker would both be better off not playin on the same team. Lance is still very immature he needs to grow up a lot but he needs to be on a team where he can handle the ball more so he can be effective how he was in Indy.
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Re: Robin to Kemba's Batman - The Jeremy Lamb Thread 

Post#85 » by bondom34 » Sat Feb 7, 2015 5:51 pm

FWIW, he's still better than Waiters :lol:!
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Re: Robin to Kemba's Batman - The Jeremy Lamb Thread 

Post#86 » by Joest2003 » Sat Feb 7, 2015 6:54 pm

bondom34 wrote:FWIW, he's still better than Waiters :lol:!


Well thats not exactly saying much..Waiters is shooting like 30% since he got to OKC and the Cavs won like 15 straight since he left....Good move Brooks!!
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Re: Robin to Kemba's Batman - The Jeremy Lamb Thread 

Post#87 » by EwingSweatsALot » Sat Feb 7, 2015 8:30 pm

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bondom34 wrote:FWIW, he's still better than Waiters :lol:!


Well thats not exactly saying much..Waiters is shooting like 30% since he got to OKC and the Cavs won like 15 straight since he left....Good move Presti!!


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Outside of Presti's drafts from 4-5 years ago He has been one of the worst GMs in the NBA
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Re: Robin to Kemba's Batman - The Jeremy Lamb Thread 

Post#88 » by Joest2003 » Sat Feb 7, 2015 8:59 pm

EwingSweatsALot wrote:
Joest2003 wrote:
bondom34 wrote:FWIW, he's still better than Waiters :lol:!


Well thats not exactly saying much..Waiters is shooting like 30% since he got to OKC and the Cavs won like 15 straight since he left....Good move Presti!!


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Outside of Presti's drafts from 4-5 years ago He has been one of the worst GMs in the NBA


Easily one of the worst if not the worst. and Brooks is easily the worst coach in the NBA without a doubt, guy has 2 of the best 5 players on the planet and they struggle to make it to the WCF every year. They should be penciled in the WCF every year no matter what I dont care about injuries this is basketball every team has injuries, if he developed guys like Lamb and PJ3 then injuries dont hurt as much because you have guys to fill in. Honestly the fact he still has his job is far beyond me and has been for years now. Dont mention that on the OKC board they for some reason will defend Brooks with their life not realizing that he is the reason for the struggles.
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Re: Robin to Kemba's Batman - The Jeremy Lamb Thread 

Post#89 » by -Ian- » Tue Feb 10, 2015 2:39 am



Now I really want us to get Lamb. :lol:
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Re: Robin to Kemba's Batman - The Jeremy Lamb Thread 

Post#90 » by catch20two » Tue Feb 10, 2015 2:56 am

Gotta find some way to keep yourself and others entertained if you know you're not getting in the game. Lol.

If we make a trade for Lamb I will be thrilled. A recent lottery pick that I thought shoulda went top 5 in his draft that has shown some flashes but couldn't get consistent playing time in OKC. Lamb can do everything we want out of our future SG, shoot the 3, create his own shot off the dribble, size to defend, and has decent athleticism. His relationship and familiarity with Kemba is just the icing on the cake. Perfect fit between Kemba and MKG.
They will wage war against the Lamb but the Lamb will triumph them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings - and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers." Revelation 17:14 (NIV)
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Re: Robin to Kemba's Batman - The Jeremy Lamb Thread 

Post#91 » by TheKingofSting » Tue Feb 10, 2015 2:58 am

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Re: Robin to Kemba's Batman - The Jeremy Lamb Thread 

Post#92 » by mrknowitall215 » Tue Feb 10, 2015 3:34 am

[tweet]https://twitter.com/JonesOnTheNBA/status/563936448546496513[/tweet]

A young player who I have been tracking for well over 5 years, who I think just needs to go play for a coach who believes in him - Jeremy Lamb. My man has been pretty unfairly villified since the second he came into the NBA because of his involvement in the James Harden trade, which many observers found to be personally offensive on some level. How dare the Thunder trade away one of the best players in the NBA for a bunch of unproven young players!? These young guys better be good because if they are not we are going to roast Sam Presti & Co. Lamb, since he has not been able to carve out a consistent spot in the rotation is OKC, is ipso facto a bust and a failure. The guy just can't get it done. Nothing to see here. Move along.

Let's play a game. Here are the per-36 minute statistics of a few players this season. You tell me who is playing better.

Player A: 16.4 points, 5.9 rebounds, 2.7 assists on 1.5 turnovers and 1.3 steals on 41.6% shooting, 36% from 3

Player B: 14.8 points, 3.5 rebounds, 1.9 assists on 1.9 turnovers and 1.9 steals on 38.7% shooting, 27.7% from 3

Player C: 6.3 points, 7.0 rebounds, 2.0 assists on 1.3 turnovers, 1.4 steals and 0.9 blocks on 45% shooting, 21.6% from 3

Player A is Jeremy Lamb. Player B is Dion Waiters. Player C is Andre Roberson.


Now you can spin those numbers any way you want, but those are the only numbers the players have any actual control over. They don't control minutes per game or points per game - that's entirely on the whims of the coach. When a team is winning games, it's hard to criticize the coach for his rotation decisions. When the team isn't winning games, you would think the coach would try to look at what's happening on the floor and see if there are any adjustments on the bench. I don't see Scott Brooks doing that.

Whenever I watch OKC, I see a team that looks stuck in the mud in offense and has to work really hard to score points when KD and Russ aren't isolating and scoring at will. Maybe Waiters (doubtful) and Roberson (probable) are that much better on D that Brooks has no choice but to play them, but when your team is rated No. 18 on O and No. 9 on D, maybe he's looking for answers on the wrong side of the ball? What he doesn't seem to understand is that a bad offense can have consequences on your defense. If the other team doesn't have to guard Andre Roberson and they have an easier time getting stops, that allows them to get out in transition, where they will always have an easier time scoring than against a set defense in the half-court. It's hard to push the ball when you are inbounding it from under your own basket.

Most people will look at Lamb's lack of playing time and OKC's struggle to score and ask what the hell is wrong with him. I look at Lamb's lack of playing time, OKC's struggle to score and his consistent per-minute production and wonder what the hell is wrong with his coach.

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Here's the important thing to remember about Lamb - he can't make Scott Brooks play him. When he's on the floor, the only thing he can control is how he plays. The big knock on him with a lot of OKC fans is that he's not consistent ... but he has been consistently better than Dion Waiters whenever he has played so what exactly is he supposed to do?

Scott Brooks reminds me a lot of Avery Johnson in that he seems to be constantly searching for ways to justify his own playing career in the way he handles his rotation. Scott Brooks the basketball player didn't have a ton of natural talent and didn't put up huge statistics, but he played REALLY hard and he REALLY wanted to win and etc. etc. etc. So when he sees a player like Lamb with a ton of natural talent who seems to "float" through the game it naturally makes him more upset than when he sees a guy like Roberson with a broken jumper who still plays really hard. How many times did a young Scott Brooks have to swallow his pride and watch a "more talented" younger player who was taken higher in the draft play ahead of him even though he didn't work nearly as hard? When he in charge, things will be different.

When I look at Jeremy Lamb, I see a 22-year old with good athleticism and plus length for his position (6'11 wingspan), whose always been a consistent three-point shooter and whose shown the ability to handle and pass the ball. Whenever he's on the court, he seems to find his way into points, rebounds, assists and steals. I'm fairly confident he's a good basketball player and I don't really hold his inability to convince Scott Brooks of his worth against him. In short, he reminds me a lot of Danny Green in Cleveland.

After all, who was Danny Green before the Spurs gave him a shot? A lot of NBA teams want Danny Green at 27 but they don't want to go through the trouble of developing Danny Green at 23. They want someone else to do it for them and to give them the statistical certainty they so desperately crave. Jeremy Lamb is younger than Green when he came to San Antonio. If you are looking for a market inefficiency, there it is.

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Re: Robin to Kemba's Batman - The Jeremy Lamb Thread 

Post#93 » by HornetJail » Tue Feb 10, 2015 3:59 am

He's certainly worth a shot. I want him
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Post#94 » by catch20two » Tue Feb 10, 2015 4:07 am

Lamb is better than Waiters which isn't saying too much. I thought the Cavs were gonna take Lamb at that pick if they went SG after Beal came off the board but they reached stretch armstrong style for Waiters who I thought woulda been late lottery to mid 1st. Lamb just need some new scenery.
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Re: Robin to Kemba's Batman - The Jeremy Lamb Thread 

Post#95 » by Braggins » Tue Feb 10, 2015 4:10 am

Clifford is as bad as Brooks. I dont know that this is the right place for him. Im not sure hed get minutes over Neal or JT here.
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Re: Robin to Kemba's Batman - The Jeremy Lamb Thread 

Post#96 » by catch20two » Tue Feb 10, 2015 4:15 am

Braggins wrote:Clifford is as bad as Brooks. I dont know that this is the right place for him. Im not sure hed get minutes over Neal or JT here.

Cliff would fall in love with Lamb as deprived as this team is for players with offensive talent. PJ is a airhead that I'm sure prolly pissed Cliff off in practice or maybe they are secretly punishing him for missing or being late to a team meeting or something like that after a drunk night.
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Re: Robin to Kemba's Batman - The Jeremy Lamb Thread 

Post#97 » by JDR720 » Tue Feb 10, 2015 4:17 am

If OKC cant develop him, then i have no reason to think we can and i dont think this is like the Danny Green situation, he was a knucklehead rotting on the bench in Clevland and he went to the Spurs, they develop 2nd rounders into HOF players heck their system make Aron Baynes and Matt Bonner into serviceable players.
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Post#98 » by catch20two » Tue Feb 10, 2015 4:27 am

JDR720 wrote:If OKC cant develop him, then i have no reason to think we can and i dont think this is like the Danny Green situation, he was a knucklehead rotting on the bench in Clevland and he went to the Spurs, they develop 2nd rounders into HOF players heck their system make Aron Baynes and Matt Bonner into serviceable players.

This ain't the same scenario as Danny Green with Jeremy Lamb or maybe it is. I just think Lamb is way better than Green at this point. Lamb don't need much developing, he just need playing time. Put him on the floor and he'll put up double digits most games with the occasional 20 plus point outburst which is just as much as Hendo does for us now but at least Lamb can and will shoot 3s.
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Post#99 » by Liver_Pooty » Tue Feb 10, 2015 7:03 pm



Really dig the little white man chest bumping in the background.
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Re: Robin to Kemba's Batman - The Jeremy Lamb Thread 

Post#100 » by nickforthreee » Wed Feb 11, 2015 11:02 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:

Really dig the little white man chest bumping in the background.


lol this just makes me want to trade for him even more. in all seriousness though, I have followed all young players coming out of college into the draft since 2011, & out of all of them since then I feel like Jeremy Lamb is the guy who could be something special being held back the most.

problem is coming into this league as a rookie he went to the rockets where he could have developed, they were a bad team in the lottery & he could have eaten up tons of minutes for them & played through his struggles, but then he was traded for a superstar to a championship contending team & he hasn't had the playing time most lotto talents do.

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