Hornets Playoff Watch

Post #81 » by **yosemiteben** » Mon Feb 23, 2015 8:45 pm

We are a single game out of the 7 seed. Would folks rather tank than make the playoffs at the 7 seed at this point?

BuzzKing60 · Post #82 » by **BuzzKing60** » Mon Feb 23, 2015 11:50 pm

yosemiteben wrote:We are a single game out of the 7 seed. Would folks rather tank than make the playoffs at the 7 seed at this point?

I see no point in continuing this playoff hunt

Post #83 » by **yosemiteben** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 12:37 am

BuzzKing60 wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:We are a single game out of the 7 seed. Would folks rather tank than make the playoffs at the 7 seed at this point?

I see no point in continuing this playoff hunt

At what point did we as a team get to the point that making the playoffs isn't worth pursuing? You're saying given the option you'd prefer to miss the playoffs over getting the 7 seed?

Post #84 » by **JDR720** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 12:45 am

I dont think it really matters what happens. we aren't getting past the 1st round vs Cleveland (it'll be a sweep easily) or Atlanta (might get a game) so the difference is 4 or 5 more games vs 4 or 5 spots higher in the draft (not considering lottery shenanigans)

Vanderbilt_Grad · Post #85 » by **Vanderbilt_Grad** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 12:49 am

I'm all in on trying to make the playoffs. I think that trying to win, even if the team fails to meet that goal, is for the best in the long run. I really do think that cultivating a culture of winning is a real thing and is important.

That said I get the tanking sentiment too. I think that many folks see the team's current problems and feel like the fastest way to fix those would be to miss the playoffs. Cliff is going to have a rough summer and might not be back if the playoffs are missed. If someone wants a coaching change that's the ticket. Then there is the draft pick - which could become a missing piece for the team or trade bait for an established player that could get this group over the hump. I don't really begrudge them this outlook since the team as a whole really does have obviously issues at this point.

BuzzKing60 · Post #86 » by **BuzzKing60** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 1:05 am

yosemiteben wrote:
BuzzKing60 wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:We are a single game out of the 7 seed. Would folks rather tank than make the playoffs at the 7 seed at this point?

I see no point in continuing this playoff hunt

At what point did we as a team get to the point that making the playoffs isn't worth pursuing? You're saying given the option you'd prefer to miss the playoffs over getting the 7 seed?

Absolutely. What does this team gain by making the playoffs?

Liver_Pooty · Post #87 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 1:06 am

Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:I'm all in on trying to make the playoffs. I think that trying to win, even if the team fails to meet that goal, is for the best in the long run. I really do think that cultivating a culture of winning is a real thing and is important.

That said I get the tanking sentiment too. I think that many folks see the team's current problems and feel like the fastest way to fix those would be to miss the playoffs. Cliff is going to have a rough summer and might not be back if the playoffs are missed. If someone wants a coaching change that's the ticket. Then there is the draft pick - which could become a missing piece for the team or trade bait for an established player that could get this group over the hump. I don't really begrudge them this outlook since the team as a whole really does have obviously issues at this point.

Im all for making the playoffs. Mainly because of what you said here

I really do think that cultivating a culture of winning is a real thing and is important.

Plus Im tired of drafting ridiculous projects that take 4 years to develop.

catch20two · Post #88 » by **catch20two** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 1:18 am

What are yall talking about? Marv and Roberts were excellent signings. Marv is one of the few the top 20 stretch 4s in the league and Roberts is a above average backup if you just look at his low turnover rate. Lance just need some time and he'll be star for us. We make the playoffs and next year we're looking at 50 plus wins. The only reason we won't win 50 plus games this year is because of injuries. But if we were able to have our entire lineup healthy this season you could bet your bottom dollar we would be living up to expectations.

8-)

Post #89 » by **yosemiteben** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 1:51 am

BuzzKing60 wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:
BuzzKing60 wrote:

I see no point in continuing this playoff hunt

At what point did we as a team get to the point that making the playoffs isn't worth pursuing? You're saying given the option you'd prefer to miss the playoffs over getting the 7 seed?

Absolutely. What does this team gain by making the playoffs?

Playoff experience for our young guys

Winning culture

First back to back playoff appearances in franchise history

Reward fanbase

Increased exposure

Continue to position franchise as positive free agent destination by showing likelihood of making playoffs in future

Things like that.

What do we gain by missing? Getting another 19 year old to develop?

MasterIchiro · Post #90 » by **MasterIchiro** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 1:55 am

catch20two wrote:What are yall talking about? Marv and Roberts were excellent signings. Marv is one of the few the top 20 stretch 4s in the league and Roberts is a above average backup if you just look at his low turnover rate. Lance just need some time and he'll be star for us. We make the playoffs and next year we're looking at 50 plus wins. The only reason we won't win 50 plus games this year is because of injuries. But if we were able to have our entire lineup healthy this season you could bet your bottom dollar we would be living up to expectations.

No losing team deserves to make the playoffs. If we make it by default, there is no honor in that.

catch20two · Post #91 » by **catch20two** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 1:56 am

MasterIchiro wrote:
catch20two wrote:What are yall talking about? Marv and Roberts were excellent signings. Marv is one of the few the top 20 stretch 4s in the league and Roberts is a above average backup if you just look at his low turnover rate. Lance just need some time and he'll be star for us. We make the playoffs and next year we're looking at 50 plus wins. The only reason we won't win 50 plus games this year is because of injuries. But if we were able to have our entire lineup healthy this season you could bet your bottom dollar we would be living up to expectations.

No losing team deserves to make the playoffs. If we make it by default, there is no honor in that.

Atlanta did last year.

Flip Murray · Post #92 » by **Flip Murray** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 1:58 am

i was on the playoffs or bust bandwagon but my mind is starting to change. Either win hard or lose hard at this point i'm fine either way.

Liver_Pooty · Post #93 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 1:59 am

This team is going to look drastically different when Walker and Biyombo get back, especially the way MKG is playing of late. I think we could be a dangerous team.

MasterIchiro · Post #94 » by **MasterIchiro** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 1:59 am

Flip Murray wrote:i was on the playoffs or bust bandwagon but my mind is starting to change. Either win hard or lose hard at this point i'm fine either way.

Agreed. Pick a lane. Be forceful. Go in a very specific direction. They definitely didn't go all in at the trade deadline. They pulled back. It was the wrong move this year just like last year when we could have finished 5th or 6th seed.

Liver_Pooty · Post #95 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 2:00 am

Flip Murray wrote:i was on the playoffs or bust bandwagon but my mind is starting to change. Either win hard or lose hard at this point i'm fine either way.

I can agree with this. If you're going to win, win. If you're going to lose, lose every freaking game from now on out.

catch20two · Post #96 » by **catch20two** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 2:03 am

I wanna make the playoffs because I still got hope we could make the 2nd round with Kemba back in the fold with MKG, Biz, and MoWill. I think we could shock a team like Atlanta who I could see tailing off a bit at the end of the year.

The only reason why I wouldn't want to make the playoffs because we might get content again with the trash on this roster. But that's not enough for me to give up hope. They can make necessary changes without missing the playoffs. Outside of DeAngelo Russell I wouldn't be happy with none of the upcoming draft picks enough to make me forget that we missed the playoffs and it's extremely unlikely we get Russell.

catch20two · Post #97 » by **catch20two** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 2:06 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:This team is going to look drastically different when Walker and Biyombo get back, especially the way MKG is playing of late. I think we could be a dangerous team.

If they get back before it's too late. I don't know about dangerous without enough scoring but we'll be competitive and better than we were with Roberts and Neal 2nd string.

MasterIchiro · Post #98 » by **MasterIchiro** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 2:06 am

I also really hate Al's game at this point in his Charlotte stint. I won't rest any faith in him nor trust at all. I feel like he is a house of cards any given night. He just epitomizes the implosion of the team this year and I am a little upset Clifford gets the blame for not playing young players when he has to play the big-ticket players fans pay to watch at TWA. Al is a ginormous boulder of pyrite. Look it up. If I'm going to get my energy up for anything this season, it will be Al's fat ass commandeering the tank.

Post #99 » by **yosemiteben** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 2:14 am

I feel better about our odds of taking down CLE than our odds of winning the lottery, so there's that too.

Dancingpanda · Post #100 » by **Dancingpanda** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 2:20 am

ImI am all for the playoff push as long as we don’t mortgage our future and kill our flexibility.

Also I think we have a better chance of not only attracting free agents but also keeping our free agents the more often we make the playoffs. Look at Atlanta (although it’s not a perfect example) they made the playoffs as an 8th seed and now they are top 3 in the east.
More experience for our young guys
More attractive Free Agent destination
These outweigh a low lottery Draft pick in my opinion