Not In The Face - The Jeremy Lin Thread 3 + 1

[BatumtheGlue]

This thread suddenly unreadable. What's wrong with ginobili-esque role? That's a damn good role in a winning team.

[RealHusky]

This thread suddenly unreadable. What's wrong with ginobili-esque role? That's a damn good role in a winning team.

Nothing wrong with it. If he will get his minutes and allow to play his game, it would be fine. With MKG back, where will they put Batum? as SG? That would be a huge mistake. Lee and Lin are both better at SG than Batum.

Hornets got some decisions to make in the offseason. All I do know is Hornets is a better team with Lin on it vs. off it.

[phillycheese]

This being said, I think it takes some gall to suggest that Lin take the established position of the main star, regardless of whether it makes sense or not.

No one in the past couple of pages have said this.

[bws94]

This thread suddenly unreadable. What's wrong with ginobili-esque role? That's a damn good role in a winning team.

That's the whole question. Does he want to start more than win?

I post on some Lin forums and some there want to run me out because I dare suggest that aspects of Lin's game lend themselves to a Ginobili-esque role. They say starting PG, and I think they have in mind MDA style starting PG, or nothing. It's hoping that an MDA or like coach will have Lin play to his fullest potential. Also that if he's a 6th man he's somehow very inferior to starters when I argue that some starters are just complementary players to 2 stars or so and some guys are picked to come off the bench because they can keep the level of player high and they can also mix and match and play with starters. That's what Lin does now and what he did on Houston.

It's up to Lin to decide what he wants to do. But one thing seems for sure, I followed him in Houston and LA and he is way, way, way happier and pleased with the Hornets than he was in either of those teams. Maybe Cliff and the Hornets don't have quite as big a role for him as he'd like and maybe he'll go elsewhere. But he sure seemed to have a great time this year where I think it isn't out of the realm of possibilities that he'd considered another year with the Hornets.

[bws94]

This thread suddenly unreadable. What's wrong with ginobili-esque role? That's a damn good role in a winning team.

Nothing wrong with it. If he will get his minutes and allow to play his game, it would be fine. With MKG back, where will they put Batum? as SG? That would be a huge mistake. Lee and Lin are both better at SG than Batum.

Hornets got some decisions to make in the offseason. All I do know is Hornets is a better team with Lin on it vs. off it.

Batum plays a Draymond Green-like role. Bigger than most SGs and he's like a point forward. He's just placed in the SG position.

[bws94]

I think a strength of this team is having Lin-Batum-Kemba as 3 guys that can run an offense and all do it differently. And if one goes down, the other 2 are skilled enough to raise their game to cover some of the injured player's production over a period of games.

[RealHusky]

This thread suddenly unreadable. What's wrong with ginobili-esque role? That's a damn good role in a winning team.

Nothing wrong with it. If he will get his minutes and allow to play his game, it would be fine. With MKG back, where will they put Batum? as SG? That would be a huge mistake. Lee and Lin are both better at SG than Batum.

Hornets got some decisions to make in the offseason. All I do know is Hornets is a better team with Lin on it vs. off it.

Batum plays a Draymond Green-like role. Bigger than most SGs and he's like a point forward. He's just placed in the SG position.

Lin certainly is a starter PG, but he can play Ginobili type of role. However, you did not answer the question where will be minutes come from if Hornets go all out to sign Batum? What about Lee? What will happen when MKG is back? Move him to PF? Not sure MKG is a PF, but I know Batum is not a SG. Batum is best as a SF.

As long as Lin has a defined role and he will get to play his game, it does not matter he is a starter or a backup. However, Lin has stated on multiple occasions he wants to be a starter. Regardless what people think, people naturally think starters are better when it is not the case at all in reality. Perception matters. Lin has been fighting all this life against systematic racism and negative stereotypes, it is time he get himself a defined role where he can reach his potential. I hope it is with a good team with good bunch of guys like the Hornets.

[Roy Tarpley]

This being said, I think it takes some gall to suggest that Lin take the established position of the main star, regardless of whether it makes sense or not.

No one in the past couple of pages have said this.

In my opinion, the best thing for Charlotte as a team (as in the best way to dominate the league and make it far into the playoffs) would be to have Lin be the main PG & Kemba be SG.

[bws94]

Nothing wrong with it. If he will get his minutes and allow to play his game, it would be fine. With MKG back, where will they put Batum? as SG? That would be a huge mistake. Lee and Lin are both better at SG than Batum.

Hornets got some decisions to make in the offseason. All I do know is Hornets is a better team with Lin on it vs. off it.

Batum plays a Draymond Green-like role. Bigger than most SGs and he's like a point forward. He's just placed in the SG position.

Lin certainly is a starter PG, but he can play Ginobili type of role. However, you did not answer the question where will be minutes come from if Hornets go all out to sign Batum? What about Lee? What will happen when MKG is back? Move him to PF? Not sure MKG is a PF, but I know Batum is not a SG. Batum is best as a SF.

As long as Lin has a defined role and he will get to play his game, it does not matter he is a starter or a backup. However, Lin has stated on multiple occasions he wants to be a starter. Regardless what people think, people naturally think starters are better when it is not the case at all in reality. Perception matters. Lin has been fighting all this life against systematic racism and negative stereotypes, it is time he get himself a defined role where he can reach his potential. I hope it is with a good team with good bunch of guys like the Hornets.

The guys will play in the playoffs and then the team will deal with free agents and rosters. Can't answer things that are yet to pan out yet. Lin is certainly showing more of the big-game quality he showed in the regular season. That may matter. The script is being written now and the Hornets may have 2 more playoff games to play, but are in a position to play a lot more and maybe go 2 rounds or 3.

[yosemiteben]

I'm a Lin fan, and I think that Lin is probably closer to a natural PG than Kemba is. This being said, I think it takes some gall to suggest that Lin take the established position of the main star, regardless of whether it makes sense or not.

I think we should focus on the positive energy of what will hopefully be a festive Game 6 win at home, and wait until the offseason before getting into the morass of where Lin will end up.

Perfectly stated. I really, really like Lin, but we aren't starting him and Kemba next season just like we aren't now. That's not a realistic expectation.

My annoyance isn't with Lin at all, I have tons of respect for him as a player and as a person. With that said, he's not starting for this team now and that's extremely unlikely to change next season absent an injury to Kemba.

[RealHusky]

I'm a Lin fan, and I think that Lin is probably closer to a natural PG than Kemba is. This being said, I think it takes some gall to suggest that Lin take the established position of the main star, regardless of whether it makes sense or not.

I think we should focus on the positive energy of what will hopefully be a festive Game 6 win at home, and wait until the offseason before getting into the morass of where Lin will end up.

Perfectly stated. I really, really like Lin, but we aren't starting him and Kemba next season just like we aren't now. That's not a realistic expectation.

My annoyance isn't with Lin at all, I have tons of respect for him as a player and as a person. With that said, he's not starting for this team now and that's extremely unlikely to change next season absent an injury to Kemba.

I don't think you got any ill intention towards Lin. What Lin is doing right now in the playoff does not surprise any of the fans that have been following him a long time. Many people that been following Lin know full well he is capable of this and more. He simply never got the right opportunity or got put in the right situation. Here is a guy who have been doubted all his life because of his race and all the negative stereotypical crap every Asian person has to deal with growing up in America, yet somehow and someway he fought through it all and still have that steel believe he can do it. This is the main reason why many many people love this guy and believe in him.

I think this offseason he deserves to get a starting role somewhere. He has earned the right to write the next chapter in his book of life.

[lin is ok]

As a lin fan , I am happy with his current role in the playoffs. He is getting to create and control the offense big minutes, finish games . please no more 3D Lin standing in the corner. He is not that type of player.

Aside from this the curr not starting lineup needs to get themsleves fixed. They can't s to m to score off the gates.

[SWedd523]

This thread suddenly unreadable. What's wrong with ginobili-esque role? That's a damn good role in a winning team.

Nothing wrong with it. If he will get his minutes and allow to play his game, it would be fine. With MKG back, where will they put Batum? as SG? That would be a huge mistake. Lee and Lin are both better at SG than Batum.

Hornets got some decisions to make in the offseason. All I do know is Hornets is a better team with Lin on it vs. off it.

There are only three established guards on the roster. Kemba, Lee, Lin. If he stays, he retains all of the minutes he gets now as he's already in that "Ginobili" role.

Don't know why you think anything would change. Also, if he stays my guess is that means Marvin goes. Marvin's minutes then become absorbed by MKG and Batum in the frontcourt.

[Lorenzomax7]

Also, I stated at beginning the season if Goran Dragic deserves $90M, Lin does too. Lin is every bit and better player than Dragic and it is showing up on the court.

Its clear from this series that Lin is at least as valuable as Dragic to his respective team. On the other hand, its clear Miami drastically overpaid Dragic for his role and fit with their team.

Good to see My Lin torched Dragic the whole series:

Dragic's stats when Lin is on/off court:

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Lin's stats when Dragic is on/off court:

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and you know what? Lin has been crucial for the Buzz, here are the OFF-court stats for the whole team including... eh.. MKG:

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compare to LBJ and the Cavs:

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the Heat:

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Dear I say, Lin has been the MVP of this series thus far.

[Vae Victus]

The 1st 2 games, Lin played alright. Shoulda been more aggressive but he didnt get the ball enough to really make his mark, Batum in game means Lin gets way less usage.

Game 3, i felt Lin was straight up the MVP as his excellent play on both sides of the ball galvanized the team.

Game 4, Lin was pivotal in getting the team out of the early rut the starters typically get into. He was awesome all the way until the 2nd half of the 4th quarter where he made 2 costly TOs (which i thought were ****), but the team luckily had a hot Kemba to bail them out.

Game 5, the "stars" are shooting like **** or crippled by injury, Lin himself shooting pretty meh, but his passing and defense were key to keeping the team in it. Kemba was just plain off on drives, although he was hot from 3. Marvin was MVP for his overall play. Lin a close 2nd in importance in my opinion.

Games 1/2 Lin played solid if unspectacular ball, however he was showing a penchant for drawing fouls. Games 3/4 Lin was utterly pivotal in winning the game with his offense and overall game. Game 5 Lin used his passing wizardry to get easy buckets for everyone else.

And so far we haent had a single Linsanity type game yet! Im just hoping Game 6 Lin puts an exclamation point in snuffing out the Heat's hopes and dreams with a 30 point outburst.

[Travers]

The 1st 2 games, Lin played alright. Shoulda been more aggressive but he didnt get the ball enough to really make his mark, Batum in game means Lin gets way less usage.

Game 3, i felt Lin was straight up the MVP as his excellent play on both sides of the ball galvanized the team.

Game 4, Lin was pivotal in getting the team out of the early rut the starters typically get into. He was awesome all the way until the 2nd half of the 4th quarter where he made 2 costly TOs (which i thought were ****), but the team luckily had a hot Kemba to bail them out.

Game 5, the "stars" are shooting like **** or crippled by injury, Lin himself shooting pretty meh, but his passing and defense were key to keeping the team in it. Kemba was just plain off on drives, although he was hot from 3. Marvin was MVP for his overall play. Lin a close 2nd in importance in my opinion.

Games 1/2 Lin played solid if unspectacular ball, however he was showing a penchant for drawing fouls. Games 3/4 Lin was utterly pivotal in winning the game with his offense and overall game. Game 5 Lin used his passing wizardry to get easy buckets for everyone else.

And so far we haent had a single Linsanity type game yet! Im just hoping Game 6 Lin puts an exclamation point in snuffing out the Heat's hopes and dreams with a 30 point outburst.

Linsanity type game is not very likely happen when he is the 2nd or 3rd option ball handler. And when Batum reclaim his role as 2nd option ball handler, Lin's performance will very likely fade back to his regular season's. I guess that's the main reason why many Lin fans would prefer him for a starting job elsewhere. As Lin will never reach his real potential and play his brand of game when he is not the primary ball handler.

[2k15]

Ok, we done? Game 6 tomorrow and we already in off-season mode.

To be honest, watching Lin over the last couple of years have conditioned me to expect a bad showing out of him tomorrow - it feels like he is due for one. Huge game. Hope he can keep it going.

[2k15]

Dear I say, Lin has been the MVP of this series thus far.

I think the way Miami has played us this series allowed Lin to blow-up and actually really helped his market value. They basically asked Kemba and Lin to beat them and sadly for them, our guards showed up to play.

I think if it was any other team and any other series, we wouldn't have seen this amount and type of attention and focus on Jeremy's play so in a way this was a mini-Linsanity. I am wary of getting too high based on these three games though.

[hollandog]

why not leave the off season stuff in the off season?
hornets still have games to win.

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First the little girl with the fauxhawk at the game, then the little kid at the hornets autograph session with the 5th element comb-over, and now children with Samurai Buns. JLin's hair-stylist Spencer Hawes has a lot to answer for