Fake Trade Thread 16/17 pt.1

[Mystical Apples]

By shedding Monroe for expirings and renouncing holds Milwaukee would still only have around $10 million in cap space. Replace Hibbert with Hawes and I'm fairly confident they'd accept the proposal without a 1st attached. Net result being Hawes, Marco, Sessions TO, Snells RFA, and full MLE.

But I can't envision Cho pulling the trigger. Monroe's PO is problematic and I'm guessing there's a greater chance Hawes tests FA.

[SWedd523]

I'd definitely rather have Monroe than Hawes and most likely Hibbert (hard to judge on small sample size). I'd rather have Brogdon than Marco. I'd rather just not have Sessions at all. Brogdon is the player I actually want.

As it stands, I have zero faith in our bench to be good enough this season. I think we'll need to make some sort of trade, but we don't have the pieces to get players that are actually sought after, so players like Monroe are probably the best we can hope for unless we want to give up another 1st or lose one of our younger key rotation guys. I don't like Monroe either, but I think we are about as good a home as possible for him. If we can make Al work defensively as a starter, I'm sure we could get away with Monroe on our bench. I'm not sold on the trade even though I posted it, just throwing out ideas.

zero interest in Monroe

[Eoghan]

Monroe is a better player than our collection of trash but our trash really knows Clifford's system and have good chemistry and I highly doubt Monroe's talent alone is worth it. Plus, he's so bad defensively that it might upset the apple cart.

Plus Monroe isn't a white guy with a big nose which is the secret to Charlotte's success and why we traded a 1st for Marco.

[Diop]

If Anthony Davis demands a trade cause his team sucks:

Zeller, Kaminsky, Marv, Lamb, Harrison and 2 firsts for
Davis and Solomon Hill.

Unfortunately we have to include Marv to get salaries to match and need to take on Hill to try and lesson the pain for New Orleans.

I know this aint happening, just felt like looking at a possible deal after the Pelicans lost another match with Davis playing well.

Cho would have to make some more changes to balance the team and find some spacing, but who cares, its Davis!

Hibbert, Hawes
Davis, Wood
MKG, Sol. Hill
Batum, Marco
Kemba, Sessions, Roberts

Hawes would probably fit better in the starting lineup if you could somehow control him to not try to do too much.

[chellis]

If Anthony Davis demands a trade cause his team sucks:

Zeller, Kaminsky, Marv, Lamb, Harrison and 2 firsts for
Davis and Solomon Hill.

Unfortunately we have to include Marv to get salaries to match and need to take on Hill to try and lesson the pain for New Orleans.

I know this aint happening, just felt like looking at a possible deal after the Pelicans lost another match with Davis playing well.

Cho would have to make some more changes to balance the team and find some spacing, but who cares, its Davis!

Hibbert, Hawes
Davis, Wood
MKG, Sol. Hill
Batum, Marco
Kemba, Sessions, Roberts

Hawes would probably fit better in the starting lineup if you could somehow control him to not try to do too much.

For the conversation to even start you'd have to look at starting with one of, if not two of, Kemba, MKG or Batum. We don't have the young assets to give the Pelicans what they'd want. We'd have to bring in a third team with those assets who'd be looking for our rotational players.

[Diop]

If Anthony Davis demands a trade cause his team sucks:

Zeller, Kaminsky, Marv, Lamb, Harrison and 2 firsts for
Davis and Solomon Hill.

Unfortunately we have to include Marv to get salaries to match and need to take on Hill to try and lesson the pain for New Orleans.

I know this aint happening, just felt like looking at a possible deal after the Pelicans lost another match with Davis playing well.

Cho would have to make some more changes to balance the team and find some spacing, but who cares, its Davis!

Hibbert, Hawes
Davis, Wood
MKG, Sol. Hill
Batum, Marco
Kemba, Sessions, Roberts

Hawes would probably fit better in the starting lineup if you could somehow control him to not try to do too much.

For the conversation to even start you'd have to look at starting with one of, if not two of, Kemba, MKG or Batum. We don't have the young assets to give the Pelicans what they'd want. We'd have to bring in a third team with those assets who'd be looking for our rotational players.

i know, i was being greedy hoping that Anthony really cracks it

[BigSlam]

How do you think Kenneth Faried would fit into our system as a back up PF/small ball C/back up energy guy/MKG insurance type?

With all the bigs in Denver and Faried being moved to the bench, could we make a play for him?


BBMF'ers

[fatlever]

Whose minutes would he take? We already have a bit of a jog jam at PF/C as is. I'm not sure Faried is more valuable for what we do than Frank or Hawes, both of whom can pass and stretch the floor.

[fatlever]

The positions I think we might need to upgrade via trade are backup PG and backup SF.

[SWedd523]

How do you think Kenneth Faried would fit into our system as a back up PF/small ball C/back up energy guy/MKG insurance type?

With all the bigs in Denver and Faried being moved to the bench, could we make a play for him?


BBMF'ers

Is he big enough to be that athletic banger we need to cover the bigger guys we seem to struggle against?

[GoBobs]

I think we should consider Lamb + Sessions + 1st round pick for Ibaka or Rudy Gay. Both of those players are expiring but could give us extra depth for a playoff run. There teams might consider it once they are out of the playoff race because they are expiring contracts. If they want to resign here for something reasonable like Marv did great, if not we would get cap space by dumping lamb.

[amcoolio]

What about Vince Carter. Still playing well, fits our system, vet leadership, likely retiring. Has size to play backup SF.

[LofJ]

I think we should consider Lamb + Sessions + 1st round pick for Ibaka or Rudy Gay. Both of those players are expiring but could give us extra depth for a playoff run. There teams might consider it once they are out of the playoff race because they are expiring contracts. If they want to resign here for something reasonable like Marv did great, if not we would get cap space by dumping lamb.

If Graham is the real deal I'd trade Sessions, Lamb, and a 1st; but not for Gay or Ibaka. Jrue Holiday is who I would go after.

[bravor]

What would you the Hornets be willing to trade for Cauley-Stein ? And what is his ceiling ?

I am wondering if he could not be the complemental player to Cody. Kinda never noticed him playing. Supposedly a very good defender in the post. If he sets good pick (a la Przybilla when he was still a blazer), that could be a good and relatively cheap option.
That would free some cap space to go harder for a legit combo guard to play as 6th man.

[BigSlam]

What would you the Hornets be willing to trade for Cauley-Stein ? And what is his ceiling ?

I am wondering if he could not be the complemental player to Cody. Kinda never noticed him playing. Supposedly a very good defender in the post. If he sets good pick (a la Przybilla when he was still a blazer), that could be a good and relatively cheap option.
That would free some cap space to go harder for a legit combo guard to play as 6th man.

His ceiling was meant to be prime Tyson Chandler. He looks more like maxing out at maybe a John Henson/Brandon Wright type? He's said to be able to guard 5 positions though.

I'd trade for him to groom him this season as a replacement for Hibbert next season (as our defensive big) but I think it would take too much to trade for him then too much to resign him.


"BBMF'ers"

[Eoghan]

What would you the Hornets be willing to trade for Cauley-Stein ? And what is his ceiling ?

I am wondering if he could not be the complemental player to Cody. Kinda never noticed him playing. Supposedly a very good defender in the post. If he sets good pick (a la Przybilla when he was still a blazer), that could be a good and relatively cheap option.
That would free some cap space to go harder for a legit combo guard to play as 6th man.

He wouldn't be a complement to Cody presently. There'd be spacing issues since neither seems to be consistent from the perimeter. WCS is kind of an odd duck in that despite his size and athleticism he's not a particularly strong rebounder or shot blocker. He'd be nasty for our defense since we'd be a switching nightmare (MKG, Batum, Cody, and WCS whew boy).

Now WCS with Roy or Hawes would be interesting. I've read that he's been partying too much but perhaps a city with a less exciting nightlife and a good, disciplined locker room could get the potential out of him. If we can make Cody strong enough to play NBA 5 I don't see why we couldn't with WCS.

Maybe we can swap underachievers straight up with WCS <> Kaminsky or double up with WCS & McLemore <> Kaminsky & Lamb. At the very least Clifford would have new faces to throw into his doghouse.

It's tough with Sacto, there's not a lot of enticing stuff on that roster. It's mostly expensive parts (Gay, DMC) or really young fodder.

[Mystical Apples]

What would you the Hornets be willing to trade for Cauley-Stein ? And what is his ceiling ?

I am wondering if he could not be the complemental player to Cody. Kinda never noticed him playing. Supposedly a very good defender in the post. If he sets good pick (a la Przybilla when he was still a blazer), that could be a good and relatively cheap option.
That would free some cap space to go harder for a legit combo guard to play as 6th man.

His ceiling has always been wildly exaggerated. I'm not even convinced he'll ever be meaningfully additive on defense, let alone fixing holes everywhere else.

But I can see a team convincing themselves they can get his motor running for energy off the bench (ironically). In that case his value is a middle-to-late 1st.

For what it's worth I'd prefer Chrisitan by a decent margin, who's odds of success are quite long but posseses a semi-legit ceiling on both ends of the court. He's also cheaper and a full 2 years younger than WCS.

[JDR720]

The positions I think we might need to upgrade via trade are backup PG and backup SF.

i feel like we have been trying to upgrade backup pg for about 15 years.

[chellis]

The positions I think we might need to upgrade via trade are backup PG and backup SF.

i feel like we have been trying to upgrade backup pg for about 15 years.

It does feel like that doesn't it? I'd love to target Tim Frazier or Darren Collison for backup. I wonder if New Orleans is interested at all in moving Frazier.

[Mystical Apples]

I think we should consider Lamb + Sessions + 1st round pick for Ibaka or Rudy Gay. Both of those players are expiring but could give us extra depth for a playoff run. There teams might consider it once they are out of the playoff race because they are expiring contracts. If they want to resign here for something reasonable like Marv did great, if not we would get cap space by dumping lamb.

If Graham is the real deal I'd trade Sessions, Lamb, and a 1st; but not for Gay or Ibaka. Jrue Holiday is who I would go after.

Yeah pretty much. If CHA blows their potential 2017 cap space it should be for a significant piece filling pg/combo + marginal wing length they envision providing 25+ playoff minutes over the next few years.

Jrue is an option albeit FA status makes it little riskier. Another is Marcus Smart who carries a much higher price (that DA probably wouldn't accept) but could tie everything together. The 3rd is Gary Harris who's value is laughably masked by his ability to defend pg's in lineups with usage and playmakers 2-5.....as in backup SG and "PG" in lineups with Nic, Marco, and/or Frank.

The compromise would be Knight who's a victim of circumstance but I wouldn't fork over 2017 cap space for BK.