Prospect Thread: James Wiseman

[DY_nasty]

Drummond was one of the softest bigs in the nation while he was playing in college. There was no championship-anything about the guy.

[LofJ]

Drummond without the elite defensive rebounding is probably where I see Wiseman projecting to be in most outcomes. I'm personally low on Drummond as a player who helps you win championships, but if you disagree I understand wanting to take him.

But Wiseman is an elite rebounder, he's far and away the best defensive rebounder in this class, no one else comes close.

The numbers don't support and neither does the eye test of people who watched all of his tape. In AAU he averaged 6.1 rpg game. What makes you think he's elite outside the fact he has the physical tools that make you assume he should be?

AAU stats? Really?

He was a dominant rebounder in his 3 college games. There's no way a guy as big and athletic as he is won't be one of the better rebounders in the league.

[Liver_Pooty]

Interesting read.

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/nba-rumors-warriors-not-high-james-wiseman-wont-draft-him-no-2?fbclid=IwAR2W7XXEmGdlvWqdxQE05Wg7aEZs8RN5BSlhqwk6fnzqI1szmqpZoxT6al4

[MasterIchiro]

Warriors are super smart. And don't forget they need a center. They just don't want this one with pick 2.

[DY_nasty]

Interesting read.

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/nba-rumors-warriors-not-high-james-wiseman-wont-draft-him-no-2?fbclid=IwAR2W7XXEmGdlvWqdxQE05Wg7aEZs8RN5BSlhqwk6fnzqI1szmqpZoxT6al4

[Braggins]

Drummond was one of the softest bigs in the nation while he was playing in college. There was no championship-anything about the guy.

Drummond was so bad at UConn. He came into the season as the likely 1st pick in the draft and put up 10/8 and looked disinterested and bad on both sides of the ball pretty much all season.

Drummond is very talented physically, but has low BBIQ, extremely inconsistent motor, very low skill level (especially coming into the league),and poor instincts other than his nose for the ball when it comes to rebounding. I also don't think hes ever actually cared about basketball. If Wiseman is Drummond's talent with at least decent intangibles hes probably going to be a pretty useful player. From what little we can tell I actually think there is a decent chance Wiseman does have good intangibles. He improved significantly from AAU to college. He seems to be very mature with a good attitude and hes apparently smart.

I don't know if young Drummond is that good of a good comparison either way. Wiseman is longer, looks a little faster end to end, is more coordinated/fluid, more skilled + better touch, and almost certainly has better intangibles. I actually think Drummond was a little better moving laterally when he wanted to (hes actually good in this regard for his size), a little stronger, and a little bouncier. They are similar in the sense that their biggest selling point is their athleticism and physical profile, though, so I guess I kind of get it, but they still seem quite a bit different to me. I'm not really sure who I would say is the best comparison for Wiseman at this point.

[MasterIchiro]

When have the Warriors invested heavily in a center over their dynasty run? Their last one WCS they got for the minimum. So passing on Wiseman looks a heck of a lot more like a pattern than a smokescreen. And what do they have to gain from a smokescreen when the Wolves have KAT and will pass on Wiseman because of that rather than letting him fall because the Warriors have publicly devalued him?

[316Hornets]

Anybody know if Wiseman has any character issues? Last thing I want is the biggest guy on the court to be big baby

[316Hornets]

When have the Warriors invested heavily in a center over their dynasty run? Their last one WCS they got for the minimum. So passing on Wiseman looks a heck of a lot more like a pattern than a smokescreen. And what do they have to gain from a smokescreen when the Wolves have KAT and will pass on Wiseman because of that rather than letting him fall because the Warriors have publicly devalued him?

KAT can play PF, don't think it's a 100% they pass

[Liver_Pooty]

Anybody know if Wiseman has any character issues? Last thing I want is the biggest guy on the court to be big baby

I haven't seen any other than him getting paid in college which they should anyway in my opinion, but thats a different debate for a different day

[MasterIchiro]

When have the Warriors invested heavily in a center over their dynasty run? Their last one WCS they got for the minimum. So passing on Wiseman looks a heck of a lot more like a pattern than a smokescreen. And what do they have to gain from a smokescreen when the Wolves have KAT and will pass on Wiseman because of that rather than letting him fall because the Warriors have publicly devalued him?

KAT can play PF, don't think it's a 100% they pass

This assumes Ball isn't the top trade asset in the draft. I don't think the Wolves would take Wiseman over Ball. And shift over KAT on top of it? I also don't see a team with a 3 year window and 33 year old star adding a raw center prospect with pick 2. They legit don't want him.

[James Gatz]

But Wiseman is an elite rebounder, he's far and away the best defensive rebounder in this class, no one else comes close.

The numbers don't support and neither does the eye test of people who watched all of his tape. In AAU he averaged 6.1 rpg game. What makes you think he's elite outside the fact he has the physical tools that make you assume he should be?

AAU stats? Really?

He was a dominant rebounder in his 3 college games. There's no way a guy as big and athletic as he is won't be one of the better rebounders in the league.

Are you serious? Not only were two of those games against teams who only had 6'8 dudes but it was only 3 games. The only real tape we have on this guy is AAU. There is no history of guys rebounding so poorly in AAU and then becoming elite NBA rebounders. None of the bigs drafted in the lottery over the past few years averaged below 9.

His tools make you think he will be a top rebounder but the tape and stats say otherwise. Why are you fighting so hard for this guy? Is he a relative?

[Rich4114]

I get the feeling that if Wiseman had a full season of NCAA + Tournament, he'd be viewed as consensus #1 or #2.

[Liver_Pooty]

I mean he averaged 19 and 10 in 3 college games in 23 minutes a game. Poor competition other than Oregon when he had 14 and 12

[LofJ]

When Wiseman averages 10 rebounds a game as rookie I expect to hear nothing back.

There are a lot of questions about Wiseman, rebounding isn't one of them.

[James Gatz]

When Wiseman averages 10 rebounds a game as rookie I expect to hear nothing back.

There are a lot of questions about Wiseman, rebounding isn't one of them.

Want to make a sig bet?

[Braggins]

When Wiseman averages 10 rebounds a game as rookie I expect to hear nothing back.

There are a lot of questions about Wiseman, rebounding isn't one of them.

Want to make a sig bet?

Decent chance he doesn't get enough minutes his rookie year to average 10 rebounds.

So what is your explanation for his rebounding in his few college games? Are you implying high school AAU is way better competition than a couple weaker D1 teams and Oregon (still had 12 rebounds in 22 minutes vs Oregon)? Was he just getting lucky and having a bunch of rebounds fall into his hands? Is what he did two years ago more relevant than what he did in the last year?

[Hornet Mania]

I wouldn't feel comfortable making any bets on Wiseman in either direction to be honest. With such a small sample no one can possibly tell if he's the next Olowakandi or the next Myles Turner.

He's the mystery box with no ceiling or floor in my eyes. It makes hm by far the most intriguing prospect imo but also the second-most terrifying (after Ball).

[James Gatz]

My point is that a three game sample size doesn't really tell you that much. Also the competition level at AAU in theory is much lower than D1. It's a big concern to me that against worst competition his rebounding numbers were so low, especially compared to other top bigs from previous years. I don't think he's going to be averaging 5rpg but to argue he is going to be an "elite rebounder" seems so flawed.

[LofJ]

When Wiseman averages 10 rebounds a game as rookie I expect to hear nothing back.

There are a lot of questions about Wiseman, rebounding isn't one of them.

Want to make a sig bet?

If he averages 30 minutes a game I'll take that bet.