Fool Me Twice: The Gordon Hayward Thread

[BigSlam]

Gross.


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[LofJ]

We could have done a sign and trade of Rozier and Zeller for Hayward. But nope wave and stretch Batum instead, Mitch can draft, but he's straight up dumb when it comes to everything else.

[SWedd523]

This is punishment from MJ for not trading for Westbrook

[Braggins]

Its effectively 40 mil per year for Hayward...

[316Hornets]

Stretching Batum helps the rebuild. It means we likely won't be a top 4 seed next few years. This should be a good thing to all of you mad about Hayward hurting our draft selections.

[Braggins]

Get HYPED fellas this easily moves us from 13th in the conference to 10th!!!!

[LofJ]

I bet Mitch hasn't even read the CBA, nor does he pay attention to what his better peers do (Presti, Masai, Morey, etc.). But yet he gets paid more money than I ever will.

[JDR720]

There is zero rebuilding rationale to..

1- Sign a 30 year old player to a 120 million dollar deal....
2- Stretch an expiring contract to make room for that player.

This team is doing it...again. We can't stand to rebuild for more than one or two seasons in a row. Instead, we must always chase that 8th seed. If the rationale is "Hey we can still suck at do both of those things"....that doesn't make it better. That means you gave away free cap space and signed another bad contract...for nothing.

Especially when our, hopefully star prospect, is a project player.

[Snidely FC]

Was excited about the young core we were accumulating why do they have to screw everything up

[James Gatz]

Stretching Batum helps the rebuild. It means we likely won't be a top 4 seed next few years. This should be a good thing to all of you mad about Hayward hurting our draft selections.

We will never be a top 4 seed with ownership like this.

We wanted the team to get a top pick. Now we will pick 10th again and miss out on franchise changing guys.

Why do you want to watch us try to be an 8th seed and get swept? It really doesn't make sense to me.

[Liver_Pooty]

I already see it.

Hayward is going to average 20/5/5....but not be good enough to drag us into the playoffs. We'll pick 9th and pick whoever falls in the draft....again.

If he averages that he's worth his contract fwiw

[Braggins]

Stretching Batum helps the rebuild. It means we likely won't be a top 4 seed next few years. This should be a good thing to all of you mad about Hayward hurting our draft selections.

What lol?. We would have been a 4th seed with Batum? Hes not even playable at this point and wouldn't have been in the rotation. All stretching him does is effectively add 9 million to Haywards annual salary. We'll be lucky to make the playoffs with this roster, but wont be anywhere near contention for a top pick.

[316Hornets]

Stretching Batum helps the rebuild. It means we likely won't be a top 4 seed next few years. This should be a good thing to all of you mad about Hayward hurting our draft selections.

We will never be a top 4 seed with ownership like this.

We wanted the team to get a top pick. Now we will pick 10th again and miss out on franchise changing guys.

Why do you want to watch us try to be an 8th seed and get swept? It really doesn't make sense to me.

We have PJ, Lamelo, Devonte. How many more darts do you want to throw? At some point, we need to work on building a team. We'll still have a chance at winning the lottery. I think we've shown that we aren't the type of team to tank to a bottom 3 record, so let's just work on building a winning mindset.

[Lwcasu]

I don’t mind this. I wanted him the first time we tried to pursue him. But now I’m curious what we do with Bridges?

[316Hornets]

Stretching Batum helps the rebuild. It means we likely won't be a top 4 seed next few years. This should be a good thing to all of you mad about Hayward hurting our draft selections.

What lol?. We would have been a 4th seed with Batum? Hes not even playable at this point and wouldn't have been in the rotation. All stretching him does is effectively add 9 million to Haywards annual salary. We'll be lucky to make the playoffs with this roster, but wont be anywhere near contention for a top pick.

We were the 10th seed last season before adding a #3 pick. Where is this idea that we were going to be a bottom 3 team before adding Hayward coming from?

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

Ignoring the money, I really like the idea of bringing Hayward to Charlotte. If you want to develop Ball you *have* to give him targets for his passing. The team desperately needed guys who could catch and shoot, and had no one on the roster who really fit that profile.

From a team ball movement perspective it's also a good move. If Borrego keeps his word and the team plays more positionless ball, then Hayward can be a key linchpin in getting the other guys to buy in. It's a huge deal when the team's highest paid player likes to move the ball.

If you were going to replace any of last year's starters Miles was the guy. He just wasn't getting it done. That's tough for me since I was so high on him, but it just wasn't working.

And honestly the $/per isn't a crazy number for a good player. The LENGH of the contract is potentially problematic. Stretching Batum is problematic.

At the end of the day though I can't feel bad about this. Don't look at it as a 'win now' move ... this is about teaching the team to win and having a guy who is a team player helping them get there.

FWIW, I don't think that the team was ever trying to tank this time around. That was on you guys here. You thought it was logical. It was YOUR plan. It was never what the team was doing. They were about maximizing the picks they had and building talent.

[Liver_Pooty]

I don’t mind this. I wanted him the first time we tried to pursue him. But now I’m curious what we do with Bridges?

I still see him starting with Hayward at the 2.

[DY_nasty]

never seen a franchise's entire rebuild go up in smoke in one afternoon... unreal

[CuseMayne]

Stretching Batum helps the rebuild. It means we likely won't be a top 4 seed next few years. This should be a good thing to all of you mad about Hayward hurting our draft selections.

What lol?. We would have been a 4th seed with Batum? Hes not even playable at this point and wouldn't have been in the rotation. All stretching him does is effectively add 9 million to Haywards annual salary. We'll be lucky to make the playoffs with this roster, but wont be anywhere near contention for a top pick.

I mean maybe 316 is implying that because we're idiotically stretching Batum and essentially eating $9mil in dead money over the next 3 years, that stops us from getting another solid player for the next 3 years, making us "able to tank" for that period of time? Then why on earth would we get Hayward if we're still just going to tank? Some serious mental gymnastics going on perhaps?

I still am in complete shock that Mitch/MJ thought this was a good idea.

[KembaWalker]

you don't draft a facilitator and not give him a weapon on the wing. bridges is too much of a low iq low skilled ball stopper on the wing to play half court the way we need to play with melo