Tokyo Drift: The Mason Plumlee Thread

[fatlever]

He's a better rebounder and healthier than Cody, but besides that Cody is better than he is.

He'd be an ideal backup center. Lower end starting center though.

Still happy with the trade since we got him for nothing.

not for nothing. we gave up cap space that could have been used on someone like holmes or in different trade.

and im not putting all our rebounding issues on mason. miles at pf is a big disadvantage most nights on the boards, as is pj at backup center.

[fatlever]

we are currently 28th in def reb %
shockingly cavs are 29th. how? you start 3 **** centers.

[fatlever]

we are 4th in off reb % which is surprising

[BigSlam]

This Plumlee narrative is off base IMO. Reminds me of the "Bridges is a liability on defense" narrative that was relentlessly pushed a few years back that just didn't hold any water.

Allen didn't go full Wilt Chamberlin when Plumlee was in there, it was only when Plumlee checked out and PJ was in that Allen rammed 5 consecutive dunks down our throats.

Ideally Plumlee is a back up 5 and we have a stud starting 5 he's playing behind, but I wonder how much currently having a muppet as a back up 5 is hurting more than anything.

I didn't know that Plumlee was such a donkey at the FT line - that is 100% a problem, and there are no doubt much better options we would ideally have, but that's not always possible and Plumlee was.

It is funny: Swedd is 100% right - considering so many write off the center position as something that can be "easily addressed in FA or by signing an UDFA from the G League" and how "the center position doesn't matter at all in today's NBA" and how "you should NEVER use more than a 2nd round draft pick on a center and never, ever, EVER use a top 10 on one"..............we sure do hear a lot of bitching and moaning about the center position in these parts year over year over year.

[Rays Pompadour]

This Plumlee narrative is off base IMO. Reminds me of the "Bridges is a liability on defense" narrative that was relentlessly pushed a few years back that just didn't hold any water.

Allen didn't go full Wilt Chamberlin when Plumlee was in there, it was only when Plumlee checked out and PJ was in that Allen rammed 5 consecutive dunks down our throats.

Ideally Plumlee is a back up 5 and we have a stud starting 5 he's playing behind, but I wonder how much currently having a muppet as a back up 5 is hurting more than anything.

I didn't know that Plumlee was such a donkey at the FT line - that is 100% a problem, and there are no doubt much better options we would ideally have, but that's not always possible and Plumlee was.

It is funny: Swedd is 100% right - considering so many write off the center position as something that can be "easily addressed in FA or by signing an UDFA from the G League" and how "the center position doesn't matter at all in today's NBA" and how "you should NEVER use more than a 2nd round draft pick on a center and never, ever, EVER use a top 10 on one"..............we sure do hear a lot of bitching and moaning about the center position in these parts year over year over year.

That's because year after year, the Hornets fail to invest in the position. And, no, using second round picks is not a valid investment. Adding Plumlee was a good deal for a decent player. But he's not the investment the Hornets need. Richards...Big Vern...Jones...all years away from being years away. And Borrego won't play them. They wont even get some burn in Greensboro, so where's the development? Practice? Bah.

As long as the Hornets look away from investing in the center position, we'll continue to bitch about it. Or at least I will.

[fatlever]

i cant figure out why you keep defending mason. he's not the worst, but he certainly isnt an upgrade from what weve had, just lateral move. we still are bottom 5 in this area.

my frustration also probably stems from all the draft picks we've wasted trying to fix it.

and miles defense absolutely was a problem 2-3 yrs ago. dude had no off ball awareness. hes so much better now.

[fatlever]

every team seems to find these random bigs who contribute... or a vet who plugs a hole.

[JDR720]

We should dig up Jason Maxiell.

The biggest issue with our inability to find a center is our drafting.

Zeller was fine considering the draft, so no issue there. But he wasn't above average and he is injury prone.
Bismack was a raw potential pick who never managed to figure it out.
Vonleh was the same, albeit more skilled.
PJ is fine, but he is 6-7. To small to be a fulltime center.
Kai is 3 years away from being a rotation player probably.
Richards and Carey can't get off the bench.

You can find really good centers late in the draft, we've managed to find none. We've had a good draft record recently with wings and guards, but we can't find a center to save our life.

Besides that one season when Al turned into prime Hakeem we've not had an above average center since Okafor.

[fatlever]

id settle for byron mullens or wiily at this point.

[JDR720]

Willy averaged 7/7 in 15 minutes last season. I'd take him.

Keep Mullens far far away though.

[SWedd523]

id settle for byron mullens or wiily at this point.

no you wouldn't lol

[fatlever]

willy maybe. not mullens.
willy can rebound, score, make fts, occassional 3s. our defense blows regardless. might as well double down on offense.

[yosemiteben]

I still say give it time, we have some kinks in the rotation to work out.

I guess not directly on topic, but I personally think part of the reason we murder teams down the stretch is we go the all 6'7" guy lineup of Melo - Oubre - Hayward - Miles - PJ and that is just a killer lineup in transition that can hold their own defensively.

[HornetJail]

It is funny: Swedd is 100% right - considering so many write off the center position as something that can be "easily addressed in FA or by signing an UDFA from the G League" and how "the center position doesn't matter at all in today's NBA" and how "you should NEVER use more than a 2nd round draft pick on a center and never, ever, EVER use a top 10 on one"..............we sure do hear a lot of bitching and moaning about the center position in these parts year over year over year.

it's because all those statements are **** stupid unless your team has like 3 all-stars and can get by with a Javale McGee type rim runner (which would still be an upgrade over Plumlee but that's another discussion). If you don't, then it's damn near imperative to have a top half starting level center, or just be an absurdly good switching defense with a bunch of long athletic wings... which we are not.

[Roll Tide 09]

Nick Richards actually gives me Javale McGee vibes when he plays with legitimate players.

We should have signed Drummond as a rental and since Richards apparently knows how to play, we should be giving him more playing time.

Plumlee is fine, but we need a reliable second option when his game just doesn’t gel with the situation.


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[fatlever]

drummond was not the answer either

[amcoolio]

We would be one of the worst teams in the league had we taken Wiseman, which is where my comments on not drafting a big top 10 stand

FWIW I knew Mobley was a generational big man and would take him #1 overall, and I really wanted Okongwu

[Diop]

we are 4th in off reb % which is surprising

I did notice plumlee getting a few o boards in the last game I watched, it might have been against Orlando where he had 6, more than defensive rebounds.

Overall, as much as I’d welcome an upgrade, I’m not panicking yet. The season is young and overall they’ve done well

[Roll Tide 09]

We once had Christian Wood.


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[CuseMayne]

We once had Christian Wood.


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Yep. I blame Clifford for letting him slip through our fingers.