GT: Raptors @ Hornets, Wednesday 10/30 7:00

[fatlever]

the defense was embarrassing
hate that we let davion push melo offball. too much 1v1 top of key waiting 5-10 secs for a screen just to get past 1st defender. miller will help. but need more actions to get defense moving

[fatlever]

getting a little worried about miles. slow preseason and several games this yr so far where he was invisible. i'm not a big fan, no secret there, but he's looking out of sorts in this offense. whats his role in halfcourt? is lee misusing him? just a slump? bad fit for offense? id care less if he was contributing in other areas at high level.

mann's best game?

[yosemiteben]

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This explains Nick's team worst minus-15 despite 4 blocks, 24 points, 14 boards. The scouting report is to go right at him.

Most of the time he's out of position to protect the rim/paint. He does not understand positioning and really makes poor reads on the offense.

I strongly disagree with this analysis, did you watch the game? We play a switch scheme, Nick isn't supposed to be parked in the paint. The number of times guys got blown by for easy layups was ridiculous, that's not on Nick.

[yosemiteben]

https://www.nba.com/hornets/videos/hornets-postgame-coach-charles-lee-10-30-24

Good post-game interview from Lee

[KembaWalker]

its a shame Boston choked that game to the Pacers. We're going to get punished on their behalf 2 nights in a row in an arena full of Boston bandwagoners. Tough time to come back for Miller, if he's cleared. wouldn't surprise me if he only played one of those games

happy for Cody, thought his career was over with the weird chronic quad/knee thing he was dealing with forever. Josh Green was solid. even Micic had his best game of the season so it was a great night

[MasterIchiro]

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This explains Nick's team worst minus-15 despite 4 blocks, 24 points, 14 boards. The scouting report is to go right at him.

Most of the time he's out of position to protect the rim/paint. He does not understand positioning and really makes poor reads on the offense.

I strongly disagree with this analysis, did you watch the game? We play a switch scheme, Nick isn't supposed to be parked in the paint. The number of times guys got blown by for easy layups was ridiculous, that's not on Nick.

I already said I would be missing this game so you missed that.

I'm trying to make sense of Nick's minus-15.

[Braggins]

getting a little worried about miles.

Idk if there were any actual deals available, but I wish they could have traded Miles and kept PJ instead.

[yosemiteben]

This explains Nick's team worst minus-15 despite 4 blocks, 24 points, 14 boards. The scouting report is to go right at him.

Most of the time he's out of position to protect the rim/paint. He does not understand positioning and really makes poor reads on the offense.

I strongly disagree with this analysis, did you watch the game? We play a switch scheme, Nick isn't supposed to be parked in the paint. The number of times guys got blown by for easy layups was ridiculous, that's not on Nick.

I already said I would be missing this game so you missed that.

I'm trying to make sense of Nick's minus-15.

Ah, my bad, yeah I didn't realize that you watched.

The bench radically outplayed the starting unit, and Nick was probably on the floor when our lead went from up 23 to tied. It was very much not his fault, Nick played an excellent all around game tonight.

[JMAC3]

Bad game for the Nick Richards haters…

24 pts, 14 boards, 4 blocks

this kind is **** is exhausting
nobody is rooting against nick ffs

should i make a post calling out all the cody martin slander? the score keeping is such a low hanging fruit.
great statistical game from nick. love he's being a bully on the glass, love his finishing. defensively it was bad, but not all on him. guards stopped nobody. 80 pts in paint.

Just think it is funny people are dragging him game after game after he had 3 straight double doubles.

Melo defense the last 3 mins of the game was bench worthy.
Miles slept walk through the game, had several rebounds stole from him, sloppy passses, bad shot selection. One of the worst games Ive seen him play.

The main issue with the defense was transition, letting Toronto run pick and roll 15 feet from the hoop over and over and Poetl killing us on mediocre passes by their guard and a ton of straight line drives by guys.

Very little do with Richards and more do with our guards letting them run their offense wherever they wanted.

[KembaWalker]

i dont really get the appeal of trying to dunk on fellow fans of a team for making the obvious observation that certain players are not the future of the team at certain positions or roles. nobody overly cares if Nick Richards and Jakob Poltel go off on each other in a game between two mediocre/bad teams. strawmanning people who are excited for Nick to go back to his expected job of backup center as "Nick haters" is just ridiculous. Nick is not some hidden gem waiting to get unlocked or some building block we're developing into the center of the future, he's the most inoffensive just-a-guy guy I've ever seen, he'll get some stats cause he's getting 30 minutes a game.

everybody here loves the team, nobody hates Nick Sr or Jr, nobody hates Cody, nobody even hates Micic really, I think we'd all be happy to see any one of them have a big game. everyone should be able to discuss the objective quality and expendability of certain players while simultaneously being able to enjoy their good games without posters trying to dig up receipts or gotcha's afterward. its way more fun to do that to actual haters of our players around the different boards of this site, of which there are many

[Rich4114]

Bad game for the Nick Richards haters…

24 pts, 14 boards, 4 blocks

Great stats, had some nice o-rebs and put backs that helped save us. However, he made plenty of boneheaded plays that negated some of that on the other end. Nick had a "good game" don't get me wrong, but the problem with him are dropping passes that would lead to an easy dunk, jumping on pump fakes and just low basketball IQ plays. Like when he hip checked Seth causing a turnover. If he can go 24/14/4 on most nights at least it'll help negate that. But when he goes 9/4/1 it's more bad than good.

[fatlever]

I do agree that lamelo's defense especially at the end of the game last night was benchworthy. His defensive effort lasted all of about a one and a half games this season. But 4th quarter last night was absolutely ridiculous. He made no effort to stay in front of Mitchell or whoever else he was guarding. I think he's kind of in half-assing it on defense ever since he took that hard fall the other night.

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[JMAC3]

i dont really get the appeal of trying to dunk on fellow fans of a team for making the obvious observation that certain players are not the future of the team at certain positions or roles. nobody overly cares if Nick Richards and Jakob Poltel go off on each other in a game between two mediocre/bad teams. strawmanning people who are excited for Nick to go back to his expected job of backup center as "Nick haters" is just ridiculous. Nick is not some hidden gem waiting to get unlocked or some building block we're developing into the center of the future, he's the most inoffensive just-a-guy guy I've ever seen, he'll get some stats cause he's getting 30 minutes a game.

everybody here loves the team, nobody hates Nick Sr or Jr, nobody hates Cody, nobody even hates Micic really, I think we'd all be happy to see any one of them have a big game. everyone should be able to discuss the objective quality and expendability of certain players while simultaneously being able to enjoy their good games without posters trying to dig up receipts or gotcha's afterward. its way more fun to do that to actual haters of our players around the different boards of this site, of which there are many

Lol yes, when 80% of posts about Richards over the last 90 days have been negative, I was out line and it was me attempting to dunk on someone. Me really tearing down the vibes... the vibes are much better when we just assume everyone is missing the whole season with injurys and talk about how bad the backups are... those are the vibes that I am here for. Silly me.

[JMAC3]

Bad game for the Nick Richards haters…

24 pts, 14 boards, 4 blocks

Great stats, had some nice o-rebs and put backs that helped save us. However, he made plenty of boneheaded plays that negated some of that on the other end. Nick had a "good game" don't get me wrong, but the problem with him are dropping passes that would lead to an easy dunk, jumping on pump fakes and just low basketball IQ plays. Like when he hip checked Seth causing a turnover. If he can go 24/14/4 on most nights at least it'll help negate that. But when he goes 9/4/1 it's more bad than good.

This is how basketball works... saying he dropped a pass or only blocked 4 shots because he fell for a pump fake is soooo nitpicky. No matter how well guys play, they are going to make mistakes or have bad plays.

When someone has 20 positive plays, but the 3 negative plays stick out to you that should be a red flag you are looking at the wrong things.

[SWedd523]

I do agree that lamelo's defense especially at the end of the game last night was benchworthy. His defensive effort lasted all of about a one and a half games this season. But 4th quarter last night was absolutely ridiculous. He made no effort to stay in front of Mitchell or whoever else he was guarding. I think he's kind of in half-assing it on defense ever since he took that hard fall the other night.

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somewhat disagree. I noticed him a few times putting in really good effort on the defensive side. Yes he still has his lapses of uninvolvement but he's probably still working on his stamina after 2 years off

[Rich4114]

I do agree that lamelo's defense especially at the end of the game last night was benchworthy. His defensive effort lasted all of about a one and a half games this season. But 4th quarter last night was absolutely ridiculous. He made no effort to stay in front of Mitchell or whoever else he was guarding. I think he's kind of in half-assing it on defense ever since he took that hard fall the other night.

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That's an extreme statement. He picked up some fouls and backed off a bit, but I recall a play in the 3rd Q where he was relentless on ball defense and it led to a deflection + steal. He was also absolutely hounded by Mitchell most of the night

[Rich4114]

Bad game for the Nick Richards haters…

24 pts, 14 boards, 4 blocks

Great stats, had some nice o-rebs and put backs that helped save us. However, he made plenty of boneheaded plays that negated some of that on the other end. Nick had a "good game" don't get me wrong, but the problem with him are dropping passes that would lead to an easy dunk, jumping on pump fakes and just low basketball IQ plays. Like when he hip checked Seth causing a turnover. If he can go 24/14/4 on most nights at least it'll help negate that. But when he goes 9/4/1 it's more bad than good.

This is how basketball works... saying he dropped a pass or only blocked 4 shots because he fell for a pump fake is soooo nitpicky. No matter how well guys play, they are going to make mistakes or have bad plays.

When someone has 20 positive plays, but the 3 negative plays stick out to you that should be a red flag you are looking at the wrong things.

I get it, Nick helped us win last night. But as a player, his flaws harm us in ways that are not reflected in the box score frequently. Look, I am a Nick hater because I don't like his low basketball IQ and I want to win. He is a bull in a china shop, which is fine if he's playing 10-15 mins a game but with him as our main C it is difficult to play clean basketball. You have to play smart basketball to win in the NBA and that includes maximizing possessions and being smart with loose balls. All of this is emphasized tenfold because of how much he's had to play. But I'll give credit where credit is due and I'd root for him to turn it around and be more clean on the court. He did more good than bad last night and if he can do that more frequently, it would help us win more.

[KembaWalker]

i dont really get the appeal of trying to dunk on fellow fans of a team for making the obvious observation that certain players are not the future of the team at certain positions or roles. nobody overly cares if Nick Richards and Jakob Poltel go off on each other in a game between two mediocre/bad teams. strawmanning people who are excited for Nick to go back to his expected job of backup center as "Nick haters" is just ridiculous. Nick is not some hidden gem waiting to get unlocked or some building block we're developing into the center of the future, he's the most inoffensive just-a-guy guy I've ever seen, he'll get some stats cause he's getting 30 minutes a game.

everybody here loves the team, nobody hates Nick Sr or Jr, nobody hates Cody, nobody even hates Micic really, I think we'd all be happy to see any one of them have a big game. everyone should be able to discuss the objective quality and expendability of certain players while simultaneously being able to enjoy their good games without posters trying to dig up receipts or gotcha's afterward. its way more fun to do that to actual haters of our players around the different boards of this site, of which there are many

Lol yes, when 80% of posts about Richards over the last 90 days have been negative, I was out line and it was me attempting to dunk on someone. Me really tearing down the vibes... the vibes are much better when we just assume everyone is missing the whole season with injurys and talk about how bad the backups are... those are the vibes that I am here for. Silly me.

saying that Nick Richards not being a quality NBA starter at $5 mil a year, on a bad team, where he is 2nd on the depth chart is not hating, its just the truth. he's doing a job he isn't qualified for. its a problem

[Rich4114]

i dont really get the appeal of trying to dunk on fellow fans of a team for making the obvious observation that certain players are not the future of the team at certain positions or roles. nobody overly cares if Nick Richards and Jakob Poltel go off on each other in a game between two mediocre/bad teams. strawmanning people who are excited for Nick to go back to his expected job of backup center as "Nick haters" is just ridiculous. Nick is not some hidden gem waiting to get unlocked or some building block we're developing into the center of the future, he's the most inoffensive just-a-guy guy I've ever seen, he'll get some stats cause he's getting 30 minutes a game.

everybody here loves the team, nobody hates Nick Sr or Jr, nobody hates Cody, nobody even hates Micic really, I think we'd all be happy to see any one of them have a big game. everyone should be able to discuss the objective quality and expendability of certain players while simultaneously being able to enjoy their good games without posters trying to dig up receipts or gotcha's afterward. its way more fun to do that to actual haters of our players around the different boards of this site, of which there are many

Lol yes, when 80% of posts about Richards over the last 90 days have been negative, I was out line and it was me attempting to dunk on someone. Me really tearing down the vibes... the vibes are much better when we just assume everyone is missing the whole season with injurys and talk about how bad the backups are... those are the vibes that I am here for. Silly me.

saying that Nick Richards not being a quality NBA starter at $5 mil a year, on a bad team, where he is 2nd on the depth chart is not hating, its just the truth. he's doing a job he isn't qualified for. its a problem

I mean, basically this!

[JMAC3]

saying that Nick Richards not being a quality NBA starter at $5 mil a year, on a bad team, where he is 2nd on the depth chart is not hating, its just the truth. he's doing a job he isn't qualified for. its a problem

Lol alright man, you are right nobody said anything negative about him other than he shouldn't be a starter...okayyyyy