Okie Dokie Josh Okogie

[KembaWalker]

The main reason the overly positive sentiments fail to me is that they don’t ever even address my issues

My issues with this ownership group

1. They are undercapitalized. I don’t believe there is any evidence they have the money to really compete other than scrounging up enough to take MJs controlling share. They aren’t wealthy like that. It’s an inconvenient truth that isn’t going away

2. The GM and coach hires are just old friends from the owner in Atlanta - I don’t believe it’s a coincidence that our GM and coach worked for Schnall in Atlanta all at the same time and that’s why they are in these jobs now. I believe this is more likely than them objectively being the best guys for the job. To me, this isn’t majorly different than MJ hiring Buzz Peterson or Mitch Kupchak, his UNC buddies. It’s the same thing, and it’s a bad look

3. Lees coaching has sucked so far. I don’t think this is controversial so I’m not going to expound on it a ton. Everyone knows we are playing brain dead basketball this season

4. Peterson has done nothing to impress me so far. Salaun sucks as an 6th pick and will suck for a long time. I don’t care about hoarding second round picks. Until he does something good, I’m not gonna give him some kind of credit.

5. The medical staff still sucks. This should be obvious again. No it’s not normal to have a guy finish a game and find out afterward that he’s got a season ending injury out of nowhere. These guys are still trash

1. At what point are they properly capitalized. define it. make it tangible.

2. We know that you don't trust the atlanta connection. Time will tell if it is stoogism or not. How long are you willing to give the FO/Coach to show improvement? What is improvement? You don't have to be patient, you don't have to be fair, but how can we have a discussion if there is nothing to discuss because you have decided they are bad, no discussion?

3. I think the team has looked pretty good lately... they just had 73 points at half time in a win on the road at the end of a road trip.

4. We know you are unimpressed by Peterson. Do you think it was reasonable for him to wait until after players signed in the offseason became trade eligible before making a move? What was an acceptable haul for Richardson, the board black sheep? Is it fair to wait until the trade deadline to evaluate his first trade deadline or should we be calling him a failure now because he hasn't made a trade deadline trade yet??

5. I'm not a doctor or a medical staff guy. Not worth arguing about if you think the staff is responsible for Brandon Miller's injury.

A lot of conjecture coming from the guy that claims he wants to talk about tangible things...

1. i don't understand what putting a $ on it does for you or me. we both know they are on the low end of NBA net worth, maybe the lowest or down there with A-Rod and his financier that can't even legally close out their sale

2. again, again again for the 100th time, time doesnt matter, if they do some good stuff eventually doesnt matter. thats not what i criticized. Mitch Kupchak did some good stuff. we still criticized his hire as an MJ stooge. I'm being consistent, you aren't.

3. why am i even arguing with someone whos falling to one half game sample sizes, maybe i do need a real hobby

4. i didnt call him a failure, i said he hasnt done anything to impress me and im not going to credit him for doing nothing. he's done some bad stuff and some nothing stuff. i said he's a hawk connection. you're strawmanning

5. ok then, we won't argue. you can believe the consistently bizarre health outcomes of our players and their injury management is normal. i dont care

[JustBuzzin]

Entertaining cat fight we have here...

[SWedd523]

Entertaining cat fight we have here...

You wanna get kicked back out of the grumpy old men club?

[Walt Cronkite]

1. i don't understand what putting a $ on it does for you or me. we both know they are on the low end of NBA net worth, maybe the lowest or down there with A-Rod and his financier that can't even legally close out their sale

If you define a value that would not make them not undercapitalized, we as fans could at least speculate or brainstorm where that savior potentially comes from or looks like. If we don't define it, we can't ever evaluate how far they remain from the goal, if they've made progress, etc. We are fans talking about this team. If you keep things impossibly vague so you can always be disappointed, there isn't a ton to interact with

2. again, again again for the 100th time, time doesnt matter, if they do some good stuff eventually doesnt matter. thats not what i criticized. Mitch Kupchak did some good stuff. we still criticized his hire as an MJ stooge. I'm being consistent, you aren't.

Time is irrelevant, it's stoogism because they used to know each other, it's impossible that anyone earned a job on merit. Ok. Nothing will ever make them not have known each other from Atlanta, that they knew each other is enough. Anyone that wasn't a stranger was a stooge.

3. why am i even arguing with someone whos falling to one half game sample sizes, maybe i do need a real hobby

??? I've said multiple times the team has looked much better outside of the most recent first half. I wasn't using one half as a sample size that proves my point and I'm right, but it is an example of a recent event that has transpired where they have looked much improved. It's unrealistic to expect I'm going to crunch a ton of numbers to try and present a reasoned argument against your opinion, because you never are willing to define a goal line.

4. i didnt call him a failure, i said he hasnt done anything to impress me and im not going to credit him for doing nothing. he's done some bad stuff and some nothing stuff. i said he's a hawk connection. you're strawmanning

I asked you a number of questions here because I don't have the answers to your opinions without you providing clarity, so sorry if that is coming off as an intentionally misrepresented position. Peterson has done nothing to impress you, understood. I know it's asking too much to ask what might actually be impressive, or to ask again what specifically you would've accepted as a haul for Richards instead.

5. ok then, we won't argue. you can believe the consistently bizarre health outcomes of our players and their injury management is normal. i dont care

Basketball players hurt their wrists, ankles, knees, feet and back pretty commonly, I guess I don't see what is such a bizarre health outcome here. I have not been happy with the lack of information on Mann and I also realize I'm just a fan so if he is having some weird health injury it isn't really my business if the player doesn't want that information available. Agreed that arguing about the medical staff isn't very productive since we don't really know what is going on, wish Rod Boone would get some scoops.

[Walt Cronkite]

Let's be honest nobody cares for Josh Ohoagie.

I think people are frustrated we traded a good asset for a player we didn't need. We got someone worst than Green. Of course the topic is going to be about how we loss the trade. Nobody cares about Ohoagie he's not good and has a receding hairline.

Probably he sucks because the Hornets suck, but looking back over the threads from the last deadline, no one was very jazzed on Mann and we all think he's been pretty good for us now, right? Our players are trash and we get trash for them and we are disappointed it's not enough trash, am I following?

[Bassman]

Is grumpy old bastard a genre you expect your peers to be excited to read?

Well Walt, I shared a good bit of my life background trying to help you understand where I’m coming from…and your response is pure you, so there you go.

Take my comments however. I’ve been posting here for a long azz time. Put me on ignore if you wish. My biggest gripes this season have been their pick at 6 and Josh Green’s poor play. This trade just triggered reactions from those of us who keep getting tired of dealing assets for more 2nd round picks. Maybe Okogie surprises us and returns production despite the plan to let him expire, but doubtful.

Well Bassman, your gimmick the whole time you've posted on the board has been "old guy" and your location has your life story written out each time you post, so pardon me for not addressing each move and fandom you've observed over your life. It looks to me like I've never cared about a sports franchise as much as you have cared about many franchises. I'm glad you've experienced the vicarious joy of their successes.

You've earned the right to your opinions the same as anyone else, they aren't weightier because you are old and have followed more sports teams. The team has a lot of work to do, tell me who they should travel back in time and select in the last few drafts some more.

"Pure you", what a dick.

Appears your narcissistic necessity is to incessantly dump on any other view or opinion here, as you MUST have the last word. You MUST control the conversation. Maybe that’s why you fade in and out of this board, per your own acknowledgement. I really don’t care. But let’s correct your BS; I’ve shared some elements of my time with this team to give perspective, which many intelligent and caring people can appreciate for what it is. Your reaction is to denigrate and insult me with snarky commentary. This forum has been an important place to share thoughts, hopes and frustrations on a team we all care about. No need to puke on it’s members.

[HornetJail]

this is a weird way to start off the thread for our next franchise GOAT

[fatlever]

fellas...

This thread is gone way off the rails and started to head into territory with some personal attacks that probably aren't needed. We're all frustrated with this team and dealing with it in different ways. Let's just agree on that and move on. Keep this as the thread about our newest Hornet. If you guys want to continue this conversation let's do it respectfully and one of the other threads about the future of the franchise.

[Snidely FC]

I like Okogie. Teams need players like this, utility guys who defend and play with effort.

I do wonder about role similarity with the other Josh (Green) and Cody Martin.

My main complaint is size. You trade away a seven footer bring back a 6'4 wing. Already had Grant and Diabete who have PF size playing C. Green and Okogie undersized for wing defenders. And then all the mini me guards. Seems like the team is always skewing smaller.

Though I guess Melo, Miller, Salaun and Mark have plus positional size.

I also had secretly hoped they might pair Richards with Miles as a sweetener in a trade for a Miles replacement. Oh well. Like I said I'm good with Okogie, interested to see what he can do.

[MasterIchiro]

I like Okogie. Teams need players like this, utility guys who defend and play with effort.

I do wonder about role similarity with the other Josh (Green) and Cody Martin.

My main complaint is size. You trade away a seven footer bring back a 6'4 wing. Already had Grant and Diabete who have PF size playing C. Green and Okogie undersized for wing defenders. And then all the mini me guards. Seems like the team is always skewing smaller.

Though I guess Melo, Miller, Salaun and Mark have plus positional size.

I also had secretly hoped they might pair Richards with Miles as a sweetener in a trade for a Miles replacement. Oh well. Like I said I'm good with Okogie, interested to see what he can do.

Okogie has a 7 foot wingspan.

Okogie is trending up in his three point shooting and he's at 38% (low volume). I think he can differentiate himself from Cody Martin by shooting better shots and not going iso without a real bag. Is he a better ballhandler than Josh Green? Better at creating rim pressure? Slasher?

Hornets do have 3/5 with plus size for position: LaMelo, Miller, Mark. We can address the other 2/5 via trade of Miles for someone like Lauri at the 4. And we get lucky and draft a combo guard with good size like Jakucionis or Dylan Harper.

[wilson115]

They almost traded Cody for Isaac Okoro in preseason. Okogie's in the same stout/physical defender mold.

https://www.si.com/nba/hornets/news/hornets-cody-martin-was-nearly-a-sign-and-trade-swap-for-cavaliers-star

[Walt Cronkite]

They almost traded Cody for Isaac Okoro in preseason. Okogie's in the same stout/physical defender mold.

https://www.si.com/nba/hornets/news/hornets-cody-martin-was-nearly-a-sign-and-trade-swap-for-cavaliers-star

Interesting to see the smoke from the fire linking Charlotte to Okoro in a bunch of blurbs I remember reading during free agency. Was totally ready to be hopelessly optimistic about Okoro, but looks like he is maybe not so great, so crisis averted.

[HornetJail]

They almost traded Cody for Isaac Okoro in preseason. Okogie's in the same stout/physical defender mold.

https://www.si.com/nba/hornets/news/hornets-cody-martin-was-nearly-a-sign-and-trade-swap-for-cavaliers-star

Interesting to see the smoke from the fire linking Charlotte to Okoro in a bunch of blurbs I remember reading during free agency. Was totally ready to be hopelessly optimistic about Okoro, but looks like he is maybe not so great, so crisis averted.

same thing with Patrick Williams. Feel like he was brought up as a trade target all the time. Better not happen again after that contract lol

[luciano-davidwesley]

Okoro and Williams are now just bad contracts, bullets dodged

[fatlever]

This dude is growing on me

[CuseMayne]

This dude is growing on me

Heck yeah. Seems to be a hell of a defender and can do some things offensively as well. We should keep him.

[LurkCobain]

He’s better than Green. I’d attach a 2nd or two to get offf Greens contract.

[JMAC3]

I am a bit worried that he is playing well above his head these first few games and when he comes down to earth everyone is going to hate him. He is a career 29% three pt shooter through 6 years. He is shooting 39% this year with us/suns.

No way I would pick up his option at 8 million, maybe a more team friendly contract if his play deserves it.

[MasterIchiro]

I am a bit worried that he is playing well above his head these first few games and when he comes down to earth everyone is going to hate him. He is a career 29% three pt shooter through 6 years. He is shooting 39% this year with us/suns.

No way I would pick up his option at 8 million, maybe a more team friendly contract if his play deserves it.

He's replacing Cody Martin. Martin is not exactly a sniper. Josh stays within himself on offense, where Cody sometimes goes iso or hoists fadeaways, or shots off one foot, or threes off the dribble, and does it early in the shot clock.

Okogie has more length and strength as a defender. I think he can defend 1-4. Pretty valuable if he can hit open threes and stay smart with his shot selection.

He's the one I want guarding the opponent's best player.

We're getting calls on him for a reason.

[Diop]

He could be pulling a Jason Kidd and figured out how to shoot