Bobcats Picks Discussion (#9, #19, #39)

dmutombo321 · Post #801 » by **dmutombo321** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:31 am

^ good post vorbis. I generally agree.

Players fail to make the NBA transition for a variety of reasons.

I'd definitely say that McCants had all the talent and physical tools a wing player could ask for but failed due to his poor atitude, lack of work ethic, etc.

Guys like Morrison on the other hand, while hardly paragons of world class work ethic, werent necessarily derelict bums either when it came to giving it a shot. I'd say he was destined to wash out even had he not sustained the knee injury, not because he lacked the know how and skill set, but because he lacked the athletic ability and physical tools to execute in the same manner he did against lesser athletes in college.

Brooks seems to have a good head on his shoulders and his combine numbers reflect above average athleticism so I wouldnt be concerned about him falling victim to the same downfalls as McCants or Ammo.

Perhaps his greatest challenge will be role adaptation and learning to fit into a team offense as a complementary piece as opposed to primary cog..

Whatever Charlotte decides, it appears they'll probably be walking away with one of three or four promising guard/forward prospects.

ohara · Post #802 » by **ohara** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:57 am

BigSlam wrote:Burks, Brooks, Klay, Kawhi.....................at least we'll have choices at #9. We didn't seem to have that many the last time we drafted in the 1st round - and that's just at #9. There might be just as many quality choices at #19 as well!!

It's really shaping up as an exciting draft for us.

Exactly! This is really getting exciting.

Oh, and for all the talk about Twin #1 an how the FO likes him, it really seems Tristian Thompson is ahead of him now after strong workouts the past couple weeks. Remember that word was that our FO liked both Klay and Tristan Thompson. If the FO does pull off a draft day deal with either Diaw or TT, it would not shock me at all if Tristan was picked. But Diaw is in a Player Option year and has not technically said he is opting for it, even tho he'd be crazy not to. But until he does, we could not actually trade him I dont think. And he has until June 30th I think, so he may not opt in until after the draft just to prevent being traded.

ohara · Post #803 » by **ohara** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:30 pm

ESPN Magazine did Mock Draft using players from the team. Very interesting results:

1. Cavs by Baron Davis - Irving
2. Wolves by Kevin Love - Williams
3. Jazz by Al Jefferson - Kemba
4. Cavs by Baron Davis - Klay Thompson
5. Raptors by Jerryd Bayless - Kanter
6. Wiz by Nick Young - Vesely
7. Kings by Jason Thompson - Knight
8. Pistons by Charlie V. - Biyombo
9. Cats by Hendo - Chris Singleton
10. Bucks by Mbah a Moute - Burks
11. GSW by Stephen Curry - Marcus Morris
12. Jazz by Al Jefferson - Monti
13. Suns by Jared Dudley - Tristan Thompson
14. Rockets by Kyle Lowery - Markieff Morris

ohara · Post #804 » by **ohara** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 1:05 pm

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/0 ... -than.html

I agree unless the trade up gets you Irving, Williams or Kanter.

ohara · Post #805 » by **ohara** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 1:21 pm

Something I have not seen before. nbadraft,net has Charlotte doing the Texas 3 step"
Tristan at #9
Hamilton at #19
Cory Joseph at #39

With DJ, that would be 4 Longhorns on the team!

Post #806 » by **BigSlam** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 1:57 pm

ohara wrote:Something I have not seen before. nbadraft,net has Charlotte doing the Texas 3 step"
Tristan at #9
Hamilton at #19
Cory Joseph at #39

With DJ, that would be 4 Longhorns on the team!

Then we trade for Dexter Pitman and we could collect the set:

DJ - Joseph - Hamilton - Thompson - Dexter

Post #807 » by **BigSlam** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 1:58 pm

ohara wrote:ESPN Magazine did Mock Draft using players from the team. Very interesting results:

1. Cavs by Baron Davis - Irving
2. Wolves by Kevin Love - Williams
3. Jazz by Al Jefferson - Kemba
4. Cavs by Baron Davis - Klay Thompson
5. Raptors by Jerryd Bayless - Kanter
6. Wiz by Nick Young - Vesely
7. Kings by Jason Thompson - Knight
8. Pistons by Charlie V. - Biyombo
9. Cats by Hendo - Chris Singleton
10. Bucks by Mbah a Moute - Burks
11. GSW by Stephen Curry - Marcus Morris
12. Jazz by Al Jefferson - Monti
13. Suns by Jared Dudley - Tristan Thompson
14. Rockets by Kyle Lowery - Markieff Morris

Betcha Devin Harris is crossing Big Al off his Christmas card list.

Post #808 » by **BigSlam** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 2:03 pm

I wanted to make a quick comment on the "Sophmore Vs Senior" thing.

I'm not a fan of the argument at all. We are talking about a kid who is 19 Vs a kid who is 22 - not a kid who is 19 Vs a kid who is 32. Really, there isn't THAT much difference between the two age brackets. It's only three years so it's not like the Senior has maxed out his potential at the ripe old age of 22!!.

I actually like the idea of drafting seniors. I'd rather a kid who can come in and contribute than come in, ride the pine or be sent to the D. I don't think that seniors should be looked down upon at all and I sure as heck don't think that 2 extra years of college ball should put them at a disadvantage.

Post #809 » by **BigSlam** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 2:05 pm

Oh, and on the "Burks Vs Brooks one-on-one" thing:

Basketball isn't played one-on-one. It's five-on-five. The setting of the workout of course suited Brooks because breaking guys down off the dribble is what he does best. Stick four other guys around each fella and I bet Burks would look better than Brooks because that would play into Burks wheelhouse.

Brooks REALLY stood out in the interview though and dominated Burks there!

Post #810 » by **fatlever** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 3:44 pm

BigSlam wrote:Oh, and on the "Burks Vs Brooks one-on-one" thing:

Basketball isn't played one-on-one. It's five-on-five. The setting of the workout of course suited Brooks because breaking guys down off the dribble is what he does best. Stick four other guys around each fella and I bet Burks would look better than Brooks because that would play into Burks wheelhouse.

Brooks REALLY stood out in the interview though and dominated Burks there!

i was thinking the exact same thing about the 1 v 1 thing. i would totally expect brooks to dominate burks in that setting. brooks is an iso specialist. burks is more of an all-around glue guy. i bet brooks would probably dominate klay as well.

i am completely content with burks, brooks, klay or hamilton at 9. if mj and co really wants to gamble we will go big at 9 and pray that one of these 4 somehow fall to 19. but the end result could be getting stuff with tristan/morris/biyombo and 9 and then not having any of the wings left at 19 and having to reach for another big or really reach for a pg.

Post #811 » by **BigSlam** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 3:49 pm

fatlever wrote: i am completely content with burks, brooks, klay or hamilton at 9.

I'd add Kawhi to that group too. I would completely content with Kawhi at #9 as well.

Seriously - this is a GREAT draft class for me because I don't have a Slam Crush on any of the prospects and don't have a serious hate on for any of them either.

Post #812 » by **fatlever** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 4:16 pm

yeah, well just wait... we wont select any of those guys. we will take tristan, twin1, jonas, biymbo or singleton at 9. haha.

Post #813 » by **fatlever** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 4:18 pm

ranking brooks, burks and klay in various categories.

rank them from best to worst in the following areas

1. shooting
2. isolation scoring, scoring off dribble
3. getting to ft line
4. passing
5. defense
6. rebounding
7. ball handling

doc.end · Post #814 » by **doc.end** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:30 pm

My approach is I hope they would pick the right one from the bunch and I won't look back.

SWedd523 · Post #815 » by **SWedd523** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:41 pm

BigSlam wrote:I wanted to make a quick comment on the "Sophmore Vs Senior" thing.

I'm not a fan of the argument at all. We are talking about a kid who is 19 Vs a kid who is 22 - not a kid who is 19 Vs a kid who is 32. Really, there isn't THAT much difference between the two age brackets. It's only three years so it's not like the Senior has maxed out his potential at the ripe old age of 22!!.

I actually like the idea of drafting seniors. I'd rather a kid who can come in and contribute than come in, ride the pine or be sent to the D. I don't think that seniors should be looked down upon at all and I sure as heck don't think that 2 extra years of college ball should put them at a disadvantage.

I think it's totally fair. Look at their sophomore numbers:

......................Burks.........Brooks
Minutes.............31.4..........21.8
Points..............20.5..........10.6
Rebounds...........6.5...... ....3.6
Assists..............2.9...... ....1.4
Steals...............1.1..... .....1.1
FG%.................46.9..........43.7
FT%.................82.5..........68.4
3P%.................29.2..........31.3

While it's silly to make the argument that Brooks is "done" or "maxed out" as far as potential goes, it's equally as silly to say Burks doesn't have more potential and more room to grow.

Three years is a ton of time as far as basketball development goes. Look at some of the jumps players make in the sophomore to senior development stage:

Brandon Roy (my Burks comparison) went from 12.9 points (30 min) to 20.2 (32 min)
Nolan Smith went from 8.4 points (22 min) to 20.6 points (34 min)
Jason Thompson went from 17/8 (32 min) to 20/12 (35 min)
Acie Law went from 12 points (30 min) to 18 points (34 min)

So there is definitely a precedent to have Burks higher due to potential, especially when their stats we're so close. He also has the versatility to play 3 positions (to Brooks' 2) and is more ready for a transition to an NBA style offense than Brooks. Neither one is going to come in and set the league on fire, so I'd rather have the guy coming into his own as a 22 year old vs. the same as a 25 year old

Stun704 · Post #816 » by **Stun704** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:17 pm

My power rankings for 9 goes as follows

9) Jordan Hamilton
9B) Marshon Brooks
9C)Klay Thompson
9D)Bismack Biyombo
9E)Alec Burks
9F)Marcus Morris

I put Jordan Hamilton over the others because he fills a specific need and he likes the city

Just did some shopping out here in Charlotte. I like it out here real laid back City. #Bobcats workout tomorrow morning!

ohara · Post #817 » by **ohara** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 7:48 pm

Very interesting what Chad Ford said in his Chat yesterday. Loved the Cho hire and feels it is the step to get Charlotte out of the basement on his Future Pwer Ranking.

As for #9, he says Charlotte is focusing on 4 right now: Marcus Morris, Klay Thompson, Kemba Walker and Kawhi Leonard. *The Kemba one surprised me as I thought it would have been Burks from what we have heard.

doc.end · Post #818 » by **doc.end** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 8:12 pm

And this point he can't realyl now. With Cho on board things could have changed. I dare to say some of them are smokescreens.

Post #819 » by **BigSlam** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 8:17 pm

You know what? To start with I wasn't so hot on the Twin #1 idea but, providing we can team him up with a defensive 5, I wouldn't be that opposed to drafting him #9 either - especially considering he is thought of as the best offensive post player in this draft.

Just means we would have to trade T2 IMO - and providing we got fair return, I would be ok with that.

ohara · Post #820 » by **ohara** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 8:32 pm

BigSlam wrote:You know what? To start with I wasn't so hot on the Twin #1 idea but, providing we can team him up with a defensive 5, I wouldn't be that opposed to drafting him #9 either - especially considering he is thought of as the best offensive post player in this draft.

Just means we would have to trade T2 IMO - and providing we got fair return, I would be ok with that.

I would trade TT for another 1st round pick and be happy with Twin #1 or Tristan Thompson at #9. It seems that he has overtaken Twin #1 in draft preference on several sites now. But I'd be happy with either, as long as we dont have either Diaw or TT on the roster also.