McJesus - The Josh McRoberts Thread

catch20two · Post #801 » by **catch20two** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 3:20 am

yosemiteben wrote:If this is true that seems like a serious flip of the narrative - folks were ready to burn Cho at the stake for letting McRoberts get away on that deal.

I didn't have no problem with letting Mcbob walk but I wanted a better replacement and bargain than freaking Marv Williams at 7 mil per and that's for damn sure. Lol

Marv at 3 mil per year woulda had me like "meh he's trash but I guess" but at 7 mil I can't help but throw a tantrum.

Post #802 » by **JDR720** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 3:20 am

Stay here with our young PF's with potential possibly overtaking him or ring chasing with LBJ? im not surprised at all he chose Miami

Post #803 » by **yosemiteben** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 3:22 am

catch20two wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:If this is true that seems like a serious flip of the narrative - folks were ready to burn Cho at the stake for letting McRoberts get away on that deal.

I didn't have no problem with letting Mcbob walk but I wanted a better replacement and bargain than freaking Marv Williams at 7 mil per and that's for damn sure. Lol

Just out of curiosity, keeping in mind the strategic choice to have a PF with at least average ability to hit outside shots, who would have been your choice?

catch20two · Post #804 » by **catch20two** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 3:24 am

yosemiteben wrote:
catch20two wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:If this is true that seems like a serious flip of the narrative - folks were ready to burn Cho at the stake for letting McRoberts get away on that deal.

I didn't have no problem with letting Mcbob walk but I wanted a better replacement and bargain than freaking Marv Williams at 7 mil per and that's for damn sure. Lol

Just out of curiosity, keeping in mind the strategic choice to have a PF with at least average ability to hit outside shots, who would have been your choice?

Bringing back Tolliver for 2 mil would've been my choice if SPACING was so necessary. Marv ain't gonna contribute diddly squat. He'll make less 3s than Mcbob last year.

Liver_Pooty · Post #805 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 3:28 am

catch20two wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:
catch20two wrote:I didn't have no problem with letting Mcbob walk but I wanted a better replacement and bargain than freaking Marv Williams at 7 mil per and that's for damn sure. Lol

Just out of curiosity, keeping in mind the strategic choice to have a PF with at least average ability to hit outside shots, who would have been your choice?

Bringing back Tolliver for 2 mil would've been my choice if SPACING was so necessary. Marv ain't gonna contribute diddly squat. He'll make less 3s than Mcbob last year.

I had a massive problem with McRoberts leaving, but Im at ease now that we were basically willing to match Miamis offer. Zeller is going to be starter by all star break anyway so Im not to concerned.

Post #806 » by **yosemiteben** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 3:33 am

I'll just disagree with the take that Tolliver was a better solution than Marvin to play major minutes at PF and leave it at that.

catch20two · Post #807 » by **catch20two** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 3:37 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
catch20two wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:Just out of curiosity, keeping in mind the strategic choice to have a PF with at least average ability to hit outside shots, who would have been your choice?

Bringing back Tolliver for 2 mil would've been my choice if SPACING was so necessary. Marv ain't gonna contribute diddly squat. He'll make less 3s than Mcbob last year.

I had a massive problem with McRoberts leaving, but Im at ease now that we were basically willing to match Miamis offer. Zeller is going to be starter by all star break anyway so Im not to concerned.

Then we'll have a waste of 7 mil on the bench that we could've gave to a more suitable talent. If we wanted a 3 point shooting big we should've just overpaid for Frye. You don't overpay for a player to be a specialist at something when they're not special at it because Marv making 3s at a decent clip is like a one hit wonder on the radio.

catch20two · Post #808 » by **catch20two** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 3:38 am

yosemiteben wrote:I'll just disagree with the take that Tolliver was a better solution than Marvin to play major minutes at PF and leave it at that.

At 1/3 the price, sure Tolliver was a better option. Not to mention I think Tolliver made more 3s off the bench for us at a higher % than Marv did as a starter.

HornetJail · Post #809 » by **HornetJail** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 3:39 am

yosemiteben wrote:I'll just disagree with the take that Tolliver was a better solution than Marvin to play major minutes at PF and leave it at that.

Rather have tolliver for the 3M that he signed for rather than the 7M Marvin signed for. Tolliver was Korver-like from Decemeber to February

Liver_Pooty · Post #810 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 3:39 am

catch20two wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
catch20two wrote:Bringing back Tolliver for 2 mil would've been my choice if SPACING was so necessary. Marv ain't gonna contribute diddly squat. He'll make less 3s than Mcbob last year.

I had a massive problem with McRoberts leaving, but Im at ease now that we were basically willing to match Miamis offer. Zeller is going to be starter by all star break anyway so Im not to concerned.

Then we'll have a waste of 7 mil on the bench that we could've gave to a more suitable talent. If we wanted a 3 point shooting big we should've just overpaid for Frye. You don't overpay for a player to be a specialist at something when they're not special at it because Marv making 3s at a decent clip is like a one hit wonder on the radio.

Can you at least let Marvin play 30 games before you keep bashing him please? I beg of you. All of us as fans should give all of our players a chance to prove themselves. Who knows? Maybe Marvelous Marvin Williams ends up averaging 12/6 on 37% shooting from 3?

catch20two · Post #811 » by **catch20two** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 3:46 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
catch20two wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
I had a massive problem with McRoberts leaving, but Im at ease now that we were basically willing to match Miamis offer. Zeller is going to be starter by all star break anyway so Im not to concerned.

Then we'll have a waste of 7 mil on the bench that we could've gave to a more suitable talent. If we wanted a 3 point shooting big we should've just overpaid for Frye. You don't overpay for a player to be a specialist at something when they're not special at it because Marv making 3s at a decent clip is like a one hit wonder on the radio.

Can you at least let Marvin play 30 games before you keep bashing him please? I beg of you. All of us as fans should give all of our players a chance to prove themselves. Who knows? Maybe Marvelous Marvin Williams ends up averaging 12/6 on 37% shooting from 3?

Not many of you have watched Marv extensively like I had to when he was with the Hawks and they were my favorite young team back when they had Joe Johnson, Josh Smith, Jamal Crawford and crew. They were exciting to watch. I was a NJ Nets fan but we were unbearable to watch. But Marv was just a mess and the ultimate bust. I feel the same way about Marv as some of you may feel about Felton but even Felton was better than Marv.

Liver_Pooty · Post #812 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 3:47 am

catch20two wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
catch20two wrote:Then we'll have a waste of 7 mil on the bench that we could've gave to a more suitable talent. If we wanted a 3 point shooting big we should've just overpaid for Frye. You don't overpay for a player to be a specialist at something when they're not special at it because Marv making 3s at a decent clip is like a one hit wonder on the radio.

Can you at least let Marvin play 30 games before you keep bashing him please? I beg of you. All of us as fans should give all of our players a chance to prove themselves. Who knows? Maybe Marvelous Marvin Williams ends up averaging 12/6 on 37% shooting from 3?

Not many of you have watched Marv extensively like I had to when he was with the Hawks and they were my favorite young team back when they had Joe Johnson, Josh Smith, Jamal Crawford and crew. They were exciting to watch. I was a NJ Nets fan but we were unbearable to watch. But Marv was just a mess and the ultimate bust. I feel the same way about Marv as some of you may feel about Felton but even Felton was better than Marv.

Marvin has improved since he was with the Hawks, and I have watched him play numerous times. Give him a chance, and if he plays poorly you and I both can put him down endlessly on here.

catch20two · Post #813 » by **catch20two** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 3:51 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
catch20two wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
Can you at least let Marvin play 30 games before you keep bashing him please? I beg of you. All of us as fans should give all of our players a chance to prove themselves. Who knows? Maybe Marvelous Marvin Williams ends up averaging 12/6 on 37% shooting from 3?

Not many of you have watched Marv extensively like I had to when he was with the Hawks and they were my favorite young team back when they had Joe Johnson, Josh Smith, Jamal Crawford and crew. They were exciting to watch. I was a NJ Nets fan but we were unbearable to watch. But Marv was just a mess and the ultimate bust. I feel the same way about Marv as some of you may feel about Felton but even Felton was better than Marv.

Marvin has improved since he was with the Hawks, and I have watched him play numerous times. Give him a chance, and if he plays poorly you and I both can put him down endlessly on here.

How has he improved since the Hawks? just because he had a patchwork stat pad as a stretch 4 on one of the worst teams in the league Jazz last year? He's the same Marv with less athleticism after the injuries. It does do him some good not to play SF tho because he couldn't dribble for sh*t. Lol

Liver_Pooty · Post #814 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 4:07 am

catch20two wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
catch20two wrote:Not many of you have watched Marv extensively like I had to when he was with the Hawks and they were my favorite young team back when they had Joe Johnson, Josh Smith, Jamal Crawford and crew. They were exciting to watch. I was a NJ Nets fan but we were unbearable to watch. But Marv was just a mess and the ultimate bust. I feel the same way about Marv as some of you may feel about Felton but even Felton was better than Marv.

Marvin has improved since he was with the Hawks, and I have watched him play numerous times. Give him a chance, and if he plays poorly you and I both can put him down endlessly on here.

How has he improved since the Hawks? just because he had a patchwork stat pad as a stretch 4 on one of the worst teams in the league Jazz last year? He's the same Marv with less athleticism after the injuries. It does do him some good not to play SF tho because he couldn't dribble for sh*t. Lol

Lol. I wouldn't call averaging 9 a game a stat pad, but I think he fits OK in our system. Either way its just a 2 year deal.

Just give him a chance.

tondi123 · Post #815 » by **tondi123** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 12:18 pm

How I remember it was that we were willing to match salary wise but only wanted to pay it for 3 years, versus the 4 he got with Miami. If we let him leave over one 6 million season, 4 years from now when the cap will be through the friggin roof, that's a pretty bad decision, considering what we paid to bring in a journeyman piece of crap to replace him. Can't blame him for leaving if thats really how it went down, but if we really did offer to match the salary and years he got from the Heat then **** him.

LamarMatic7 · Post #816 » by **LamarMatic7** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 5:07 pm

catch20two wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:If this is true that seems like a serious flip of the narrative - folks were ready to burn Cho at the stake for letting McRoberts get away on that deal.

I didn't have no problem with letting Mcbob walk but I wanted a better replacement and bargain than freaking Marv Williams at 7 mil per and that's for damn sure. Lol

Marv at 3 mil per year woulda had me like "meh he's trash but I guess" but at 7 mil I can't help but throw a tantrum.

you seriously got to get over him being paid 7 million. unless you have a personal beef with him and don't want to see the man earn so much money, there's no reason to be mad. it's only two years, that was the price we had to pay for a replacement (other than the possibility of going with Tolly or our young guys by committee, which isn't a smart choice, especially if some of you guys really expect us to win 50 games and we're not spending that money anywhere else these two years anyway.

Flip Murray · Post #817 » by **Flip Murray** » Mon Nov 3, 2014 3:31 am

Kill me.

TheKingofSting · Post #818 » by **TheKingofSting** » Mon Nov 3, 2014 3:34 am

I think we may have to upgrade PF to get to the next level. Lance does rebound well for his position but still..

Liver_Pooty · Post #819 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Mon Nov 3, 2014 3:37 am

TheKingofSting wrote:I think we may have to upgrade PF to get to the next level. Lance does rebound well for his position but still..

Zeller is going to be solid next season.

In the mean time however..

TheKingofSting · Post #820 » by **TheKingofSting** » Mon Nov 3, 2014 3:40 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
TheKingofSting wrote:I think we may have to upgrade PF to get to the next level. Lance does rebound well for his position but still..

Zeller is going to be solid next season.

In the mean time however..

I don't know who we could trade to upgrade for the short term, I guess we will just tough it out.