Signed By Indiana - The Jeremy Lamb Thread

[ChokeFasncists]

He's played well this season. Just need to improve his 3pt shooting and defensive hustle in the offseason. Sporting a 17 PER, the same TS% as Batum at .537, and a better DBPM than Lin. He's as good of a bench wing if not the best we've had in my 5 years of watching this team.

Chop off Lamb's killer November and his TS% for the rest of the season drops to 50.1%. His 60% TS% in November was fantastic, but we haven't seen that version of Lamb since then.

Eh chop off Batum's November and he's been a poor 3pt shooter all season. You have to take it in as a whole.

Legolas is long gone!

He's neither taking a lot of big threes nor trying to do 4 point plays anymore. He's mainly a passer now

As for Lamb:

Again, he regularly misses passing, rebounding and defending duties. Cliff's not a big fan of that

[catch20two]

Chop off Lamb's killer November and his TS% for the rest of the season drops to 50.1%. His 60% TS% in November was fantastic, but we haven't seen that version of Lamb since then.

Eh chop off Batum's November and he's been a poor 3pt shooter all season. You have to take it in as a whole.

Legolas is long gone!

He's neither taking a lot of big threes nor trying to do 4 point plays anymore. He's mainly a passer now

As for Lamb:

Again, he regularly misses passing, rebounding and defending duties. Cliff's not a big fan of that

I'm happy 'Legolas' is long gone and he's not trying to score as much because he's IMHO a 3rd-4th option.

Anyway, I still want to see more Lamb. More extensive minutes for Lamb. I don't know how y'all can judge a player on extremely limited minutes. If I was to judge Lin off of one 6-8 minute stint every game that wouldn't be fair. What you expect a player to do in such spare minutes, put up 20? Lol. He's 3rd on the team in points per minute. He can't produce in no time and all advanced stats point to us being net positive with him on the floor. Not to make it seem like I'm piping him up to be great or anything. I just don't like the presumed criticism. Lamb could come in the game and play great defense, not get scored on, and set up teammates for open shots that they miss so the assist won't go on the stat sheet and y'all will still be in here talking dumb stuff just because Cliff didn't entrust him to play a lot of minutes.

[catch20two]

Just like I had to read all of that Hairston solid defense stuff but I'm watching the game like "where?". Once the sample size came in he was the worst defensive player on the floor lol and the worst offensive player.

[yosemiteben]

Just like I had to read all of that Hairston solid defense stuff but I'm watching the game like "where?". Once the sample size came in he was the worst defensive player on the floor lol and the worst offensive player.

That's your argument for Lamb seeing more minutes?

Whose PT should he be taking?

[catch20two]

Just like I had to read all of that Hairston solid defense stuff but I'm watching the game like "where?". Once the sample size came in he was the worst defensive player on the floor lol and the worst offensive player.

That's your argument for Lamb seeing more minutes?

Whose PT should he be taking?

5 minutes from Lin and 5 minutes from Lee. Lee just had like his first decent game out of 10 yesterday and Lin has been trash for like the past 15 games. They aren't exactly deserving. We're winning in spite of Lin bricking it up and turning it over.

[yosemiteben]

If you think Lamb has outperformed Lee since Lee arrived in Charlotte I don't know what else to tell you other than that it's really hard for me to believe you've watched our games.

[catch20two]

If you think Lamb has outperformed Lee since Lee arrived in Charlotte I don't know what else to tell you other than that it's really hard for me to believe you've watched our games.

Lol. How can you judge it? I just said that Lamb should eat into some of Lee's minutes, Lin's too. Nowhere does that say I said that Lamb has outperformed Lee. Both have been mediocre, just Lamb is a better scorer while Lee is a better defender.

Lee is averaging 8pts in 29 minutes to Lamb's 6pts in 14 minutes since the trade. If I used per 36 stats Lamb would have him beat in every area except shooting percentages.

But go ahead and run with your assumption that I said Lamb is outperforming anyone, whether Lee or Lin. I'm just saying that neither of them are really producing so I'd like to see Lamb get more minutes because it's proven that he'll give us at least 13pts with minutes. You act like Lamb has been hindering us or something. Earlier in the season when the bench was our strength a lot of that was Lamb scoring. His efficiency has went down but we all know inefficiency has never cost anyone playing time under Cliff lol see Neal, Hairston, Lin, etc.

[Liver_Pooty]

I think Lee's minutes are fine. Lins minutes could, and should be up for grabs with his slump.

[catch20two]

I think Lee's minutes are fine. Lins minutes could, and should be up for grabs with his slump.

I agree. Lin's minutes at SG should be up for grabs. He's bricking up a house, making turnovers like apple pastries, and getting scored on. I personally think Lamb should get 5 minutes from each of Lin and Lee. IMHO 30 minutes per game for Lee is a little steep especially with him not scoring much at all and he's not exactly all-defense, just solid enough to be acceptable.

[TinmanZBoy]

I think Lee's minutes are fine. Lins minutes could, and should be up for grabs with his slump.

I agree. Lin's minutes at SG should be up for grabs. He's bricking up a house, making turnovers like apple pastries, and getting scored on. I personally think Lamb should get 5 minutes from each of Lin and Lee. IMHO 30 minutes per game for Lee is a little steep especially with him not scoring much at all and he's not exactly all-defense, just solid enough to be acceptable.

I agree, should have benched lin, lin should not have seen court....the hornet should have passed the celtics in ranking by benching Lin

[Liver_Pooty]

I think Lee's minutes are fine. Lins minutes could, and should be up for grabs with his slump.

I agree. Lin's minutes at SG should be up for grabs. He's bricking up a house, making turnovers like apple pastries, and getting scored on. I personally think Lamb should get 5 minutes from each of Lin and Lee. IMHO 30 minutes per game for Lee is a little steep especially with him not scoring much at all and he's not exactly all-defense, just solid enough to be acceptable.

I agree, should have benched lin, lin should not have seen court....the hornet should have passed the celtics in ranking by benching Lin

No need in getting upset because some are getting frustrated with Lins shot, or lackthereof. I'm sure he'll turn it around.

[TinmanZBoy]

I agree. Lin's minutes at SG should be up for grabs. He's bricking up a house, making turnovers like apple pastries, and getting scored on. I personally think Lamb should get 5 minutes from each of Lin and Lee. IMHO 30 minutes per game for Lee is a little steep especially with him not scoring much at all and he's not exactly all-defense, just solid enough to be acceptable.

I agree, should have benched lin, lin should not have seen court....the hornet should have passed the celtics in ranking by benching Lin

No need in getting upset because some are getting frustrated with Lins shot, or lackthereof. I'm sure he'll turn it around.

no, he will not, he should not see court... I am serious!!!

[yosemiteben]

Both have been mediocre, just Lamb is a better scorer while Lee is a better defender.

Lee has been excellent defensively. He has not been mediocre.

Lee is averaging 8pts in 29 minutes to Lamb's 6pts in 14 minutes since the trade. If I used per 36 stats Lamb would have him beat in every area except shooting percentages.

So Lamb is a less efficient scorer but shoots more (not something we need) and a far worse defender (something we do need).

I'm just saying that neither of them are really producing...

Lee has been a perfect fit. Again, I feel like you aren't watching if your don't think Lee has been productive.

You act like Lamb has been hindering us or something.

I think giving him minutes over Lee would, yes. Lamb over the past several months has been an inefficient iso shooter with a bad outside shot and shaky (at best) defense.

His efficiency has went down but we all know inefficiency has never cost anyone playing time under Cliff lol see Neal, Hairston, Lin, etc.

Apparently Lamb disagrees. None of them were competing with a player like Lee for minutes.

[catch20two]

Both have been mediocre, just Lamb is a better scorer while Lee is a better defender.

Lee has been excellent defensively. He has not been mediocre.

Lee is averaging 8pts in 29 minutes to Lamb's 6pts in 14 minutes since the trade. If I used per 36 stats Lamb would have him beat in every area except shooting percentages.

So Lamb is a less efficient scorer but shoots more (not something we need) and a far worse defender (something we do need).

I'm just saying that neither of them are really producing...

Lee has been a perfect fit. Again, I feel like you aren't watching if your don't think Lee has been productive.

You act like Lamb has been hindering us or something.

I think giving him minutes over Lee would, yes. Lamb over the past several months has been an inefficient iso shooter with a bad outside shot and shaky (at best) defense.

His efficiency has went down but we all know inefficiency has never cost anyone playing time under Cliff lol see Neal, Hairston, Lin, etc.

Apparently Lamb disagrees. None of them were competing with a player like Lee for minutes.

I'm not going to go back and forth with the company man that never has statistical backing to his arguments, just what is.

[sirdeadcat]

Daniel is going to take this lazy bum's minutes.

[Roy Tarpley]

There's an argument for cutting Lin's minutes based on his shoddy shooting as of late. I assume that Lin is continuing to get the minutes because Cliff likes to have an extra ball handler out there and he prefers Lin's defense. There must be something about Lamb's play or defense that Cliff disfavors.

Still, since Lamb is in the 3 year, $21m contract, the team better figure out what to do with him -- you can't give money like this to a player to only get 10-15 minutes a night.

[jtsmith]

room for improvement sure... but I think he'll get his minutes next season.
jorge, lamb, lee, marvin, big will be next season's BF1

[catch20two]

Might just be Cliff's way of sticking it to Cho for giving out contracts without consulting with him first. Because I don't care what anyone says, no way Hairston should've started over Lamb or even split minutes with him. It was indefensible and inexcusable no matter what horsecrap lame duck explanation I heard. Hairston was a net negative in almost every category and just held the team back in every way possible while Lamb has been a net positive on both ends of the floor, even defensively despite the naysayers loving to throw that out there as his reasoning for never seeing the floor. There's no coincidence that we've been winning consistently after taking Hairston out of the rotation and eventually trading him. We're currently 15-3 since.

[catch20two]

With the Lee acquisition where Memphis purposely took on tank commanders in Hairston and Lance at the trade deadline since Marc Gasol was out for the season I'm not going to complain about Lamb's minutes so much because there's a quality player ahead of him. Lee has came into his own the past few games. As long as the team is winning I don't have no quarrels. Lamb can never see another minute as long as we're winning is my stance. Honestly Cliff might as well just start DNP'ing Lamb instead of playing him for 6-8 minutes in the first half just to bench him the entire 2nd half for no real reason. Lamb could go off for 15pts in 8 minutes and he'll still see no more than 14-16 minutes in that particular game. Trust me because I've saw it twice over the past month. Clifford just isn't in favor of him.

[ChokeFasncists]

Eh chop off Batum's November and he's been a poor 3pt shooter all season. You have to take it in as a whole.

Legolas is long gone!

He's neither taking a lot of big threes nor trying to do 4 point plays anymore. He's mainly a passer now

As for Lamb:

Again, he regularly misses passing, rebounding and defending duties. Cliff's not a big fan of that

I'm happy 'Legolas' is long gone and he's not trying to score as much because he's IMHO a 3rd-4th option.

Well, true, but he was seriously really impressive at the beginning of the season with those three point daggers, consecutive threes, getting fouled shooting threes and four points plays. I guess the rest of the league got that figured out.

Anyway, I still want to see more Lamb. More extensive minutes for Lamb. I don't know how y'all can judge a player on extremely limited minutes. If I was to judge Lin off of one 6-8 minute stint every game that wouldn't be fair. What you expect a player to do in such spare minutes, put up 20? Lol. He's 3rd on the team in points per minute. He can't produce in no time and all advanced stats point to us being net positive with him on the floor. Not to make it seem like I'm piping him up to be great or anything. I just don't like the presumed criticism. Lamb could come in the game and play great defense, not get scored on, and set up teammates for open shots that they miss so the assist won't go on the stat sheet and y'all will still be in here talking dumb stuff just because Cliff didn't entrust him to play a lot of minutes.

What I figure is that Cliff is a very conservative coach. He pulls his players with no thought when they make stupid mistakes. (there's a hierarchy based on production as well and his usual pt allocation) Or even fouls, he pulls everyone when they foul unnecessarily.

Lamb regularly goes too much one on one, gives up offensive rebounds and misses rotations; Cliff doesn't like that at all. In the game against the Rockets, he was a mess in the first half and in the second half Daniels got the pt. I really think that's all there is.