Don't Be Hurtin' Lin - The Jeremy Lin Thread 2

[13th Man]

dem, that corpse called deron will doing well in mavs' system. Lin must be regretting it now.

I thought that was one of the reasons he didn't sign there?

As I recall, Deron wasn't signed yet when Lin made his decision, however Lin decided right after Deandre reneged on their deal (this may have been a factor?). The Mavs were also fumbling around trying to find a way of getting Lin more money.

[ChokeFasncists]

dem, that corpse called deron will doing well in mavs' system. Lin must be regretting it now.

I thought that was one of the reasons he didn't sign there?

As I recall, Deron wasn't signed yet when Lin made his decision, however Lin decided right after Deandre reneged on their deal (this may have been a factor?). The Mavs were also fumbling around trying to find a way of getting Lin more money.

I think I read that a big reason he didn't sign there was that he found out Mavs were trying to get Deron even if he signed.

[TinmanZBoy]

I thought that was one of the reasons he didn't sign there?

As I recall, Deron wasn't signed yet when Lin made his decision, however Lin decided right after Deandre reneged on their deal (this may have been a factor?). The Mavs were also fumbling around trying to find a way of getting Lin more money.

I think I read that a big reason he didn't sign there was that he found out Mavs were trying to get Deron even if he signed.

all rumors, the media said Mavericks were trying to do sign and trade to get lin in market value, but nobody knows how true it was, in lin's own words,"what you heard from the media is not always true", "there were really not many interests out there"...the only true thing was Memphis offered more money trying to lock lin up for more years, according to lin's dad... others are all rumors
quite frankly, i think lin's stock has been falling year by year, so far his performance has not increased his value, kinda stay put, which is sad, every season, we wish to see a fresh start for him, but he is still the inconsistent himself, at times purely lost out there, have not we seen this before every season after linsanity? i just fell he lost a lot of his intangibles that usually made up his skills...

[13th Man]

I thought that was one of the reasons he didn't sign there?

As I recall, Deron wasn't signed yet when Lin made his decision, however Lin decided right after Deandre reneged on their deal (this may have been a factor?). The Mavs were also fumbling around trying to find a way of getting Lin more money.

I think I read that a big reason he didn't sign there was that he found out Mavs were trying to get Deron even if he signed.

Perhaps. After the Jordan deal fell through, news of Deron coming leaked out which was probably a factor as well. But Lin's conversation with Clifford seemed like the biggest deciding factor.

[Flip Murray]

i love the stupidity of people who think that the Hornets would go out and sign somebody only to have an agenda against him being a good player for them within the first three weeks of the season.

There's some serious drama queens out there

About 40 percent of Lin's forums are like this. It's insane.

you're taking some heat over on that other forum. I'm assuming the posts i'm looking at are from you.

[bws94]

i love the stupidity of people who think that the Hornets would go out and sign somebody only to have an agenda against him being a good player for them within the first three weeks of the season.

There's some serious drama queens out there

About 40 percent of Lin's forums are like this. It's insane.

you're taking some heat over on that other forum. I'm assuming the posts i'm looking at are from you.

You can probably tell my style. It's exhausting. I can't deal with the everyone's against Jeremy stuff. There are a few rational people but some are saying he's marginalized because maybe he was in the Rockets and Byron was tanking and if Lin doesn't play a lot of minutes he's marginalized by the coach or FO. But I think he has a big chance here. He just needs to get back in preseason form. When he does, he'll get some go Lin's here and big cheers at the Time Warner Cable Arena.

[blueice]

As I recall, Deron wasn't signed yet when Lin made his decision, however Lin decided right after Deandre reneged on their deal (this may have been a factor?). The Mavs were also fumbling around trying to find a way of getting Lin more money.

I think I read that a big reason he didn't sign there was that he found out Mavs were trying to get Deron even if he signed.

Perhaps. After the Jordan deal fell through, news of Deron coming leaked out which was probably a factor as well. But Lin's conversation with Clifford seemed like the biggest deciding factor.

well, the guaranteed minutes are gone. At this rate, Lin prob. won't even be the first choice as a bench player. I'm truly frustrated at the situation.

[dznutzz]

As I recall, Deron wasn't signed yet when Lin made his decision, however Lin decided right after Deandre reneged on their deal (this may have been a factor?). The Mavs were also fumbling around trying to find a way of getting Lin more money.

I think I read that a big reason he didn't sign there was that he found out Mavs were trying to get Deron even if he signed.

all rumors, the media said Mavericks were trying to do sign and trade to get lin in market value, but nobody knows how true it was, in lin's own words,"what you heard from the media is not always true", "there were really not many interests out there"...the only true thing was Memphis offered more money trying to lock lin up for more years, according to lin's dad... others are all rumors
quite frankly, i think lin's stock has been falling year by year, so far his performance has not increased his value, kinda stay put, which is sad, every season, we wish to see a fresh start for him, but he is still the inconsistent himself, at times purely lost out there, have not we seen this before every season after linsanity? i just fell he lost a lot of his intangibles that usually made up his skills...

what i heard was the mavs were interested in jlin but at the same time wanted to give deandre the max. that would put them over the cap. so to get jlin they needed to do a sign and trade with the lakers. the negotiations between the mavs and deandre took too long. when it didn't fall through jlin signed with charlotte.

[ChokeFasncists]

As I recall, Deron wasn't signed yet when Lin made his decision, however Lin decided right after Deandre reneged on their deal (this may have been a factor?). The Mavs were also fumbling around trying to find a way of getting Lin more money.

I think I read that a big reason he didn't sign there was that he found out Mavs were trying to get Deron even if he signed.

Perhaps. After the Jordan deal fell through, news of Deron coming leaked out which was probably a factor as well. But Lin's conversation with Clifford seemed like the biggest deciding factor.

Agreed.

all rumors, the media said Mavericks were trying to do sign and trade to get lin in market value, but nobody knows how true it was, in lin's own words,"what you heard from the media is not always true", "there were really not many interests out there"...the only true thing was Memphis offered more money trying to lock lin up for more years, according to lin's dad... others are all rumors

Hey, but the rumors aren't necessarily not true.

quite frankly, i think lin's stock has been falling year by year, so far his performance has not increased his value, kinda stay put, which is sad, every season, we wish to see a fresh start for him, but he is still the inconsistent himself, at times purely lost out there, have not we seen this before every season after linsanity? i just fell he lost a lot of his intangibles that usually made up his skills...

Well, it's still too early to talk about this. It's early in the season, new team, new shooting form etc.

He is learning a lot every day I suppose. Cliff is definitely a better coach than all the coaches he's had except for MDA on O.

His D has improved a lot, now it's just TOs and consistency.

[TinmanZBoy]

^not sure what you are talking about, those were exact lin's words, i said nobody knows how true those were, i think we lin fans put too much wishful thinking there...
He has changed his shooting form gradually year by year, this is nothing new... I do think he has a better shooting form now... but his shooting ability is only marginally improved.... all in all, we all try to find all kinds of excuses for him... but the reality is he is a not a young and coming player with a great potential anymore, if he can not consistently perform, he will be either a journey man or a washout in the league.... it will be truly sad since I expected him to be solid starter, someday maybe an all star...maybe he just does not have it after all

[TinmanZBoy]

I think I read that a big reason he didn't sign there was that he found out Mavs were trying to get Deron even if he signed.

Perhaps. After the Jordan deal fell through, news of Deron coming leaked out which was probably a factor as well. But Lin's conversation with Clifford seemed like the biggest deciding factor.

well, the guaranteed minutes are gone. At this rate, Lin prob. won't even be the first choice as a bench player. I'm truly frustrated at the situation.

there have never been guaranteed minutes anyway, he is not the 6th man any more, Lamb is

[lin is ok]

It's no lost for hornets . he is dirt cheap, good backup. But for lin it's one year gone. Lin got owned by Hornets.

[Diop]

or his ankle was bad that it required limited minutes. especially in a game we weren't winning.

[TTNN]

^not sure what you are talking about, those were exact lin's words, i said nobody knows how true those were, i think we lin fans put too much wishful thinking there...
He has changed his shooting form gradually year by year, this is nothing new... I do think he has a better shooting form now... but his shooting ability is only marginally improved.... all in all, we all try to find all kinds of excuses for him... but the reality is he is a not a young and coming player with a great potential anymore, if he can not consistently perform, he will be either a journey man or a washout in the league.... it will be truly sad since I expected him to be solid starter, someday maybe an all star...maybe he just does not have it after all

His 3pt shot has been improving from 32% Linsanity days to 36.9% last season, that's not marginally improved. And yet he could not gain any trust from his coaches.

I hate to put this comparison, but there are players who did not make that kind of improvement, yet nobody lost trust in them.

Just like today, Lin played total 13 min, with 22 touches, and he shot twice, made a 3, and got 4 FT chances, made 3 assist, 1 steal and 1 block. (he had 1 TO too.), not sure you could get much more out of 22 touches than this production. Yet when he played only 5 min and got subbed by Roberts, I can't see any player could have a good performance out of limitation like this. BTW, defensively, Lin only let one shot made on him today.

I really don't get what Lin did or did not do to lost coach Clifford's trust this quick.

[Flip Murray]

DID NOBODY ELSE BUT ME SEE JEREMY LIN GET THE BLASTED IN THE HEAD MULTIPLE TIMES TONIGHT INCLUDING A KICK TO THE HEAD RIGHT BEFORE HE CAME OUT. AM I THE ONLY PERSON WHO SAW THIS? IS THIS NOT WORTH DISCUSSING?

[TTNN]

or his ankle was bad that it required limited minutes. especially in a game we weren't winning.

I don't see that as a concern for his injured ankle. He played for 5 min, sits for 18 min + half time, and then he was sent back in. If it was injured ankle, you play and don't stop. It got worse when you sit and it got swollen up. If coach really care about his ankle and have to play Lin, he should play him straight for the first half, then let him ice up for the day. Not to sit him that long and send him back in.

The only reason I would say is that coach want to play Roberts, he'd rather trust Roberts play at 2 than Lin. I just don't get it.

[leeramundo]

or his ankle was bad that it required limited minutes. especially in a game we weren't winning.

I don't see that as a concern for his injured ankle. He played for 5 min, sits for 18 min + half time, and then he was sent back in. If it was injured ankle, you play and don't stop. It got worse when you sit and it got swollen up. If coach really care about his ankle and have to play Lin, he should play him straight for the first half, then let him ice up for the day. Not to sit him that long and send him back in.

The only reason I would say is that coach want to play Roberts, he'd rather trust Roberts play at 2 than Lin. I just don't get it.

Roberts have gotten like 15 minutes total (hyperbole) this season, take it easy.

[TTNN]

DID NOBODY ELSE BUT ME SEE JEREMY LIN GET THE BLASTED IN THE HEAD MULTIPLE TIMES TONIGHT INCLUDING A KICK TO THE HEAD RIGHT BEFORE HE CAME OUT. AM I THE ONLY PERSON WHO SAW THIS? IS THIS NOT WORTH DISCUSSING?

yeah, after he got fouled, he made 1-2 FT, followed by a success assist to Kaminsky 3, followed by great rotation with Lamb on the defense for next possession, and, yeah, both Lin and Lamb got sub out right there.

[Kswiss]

^not sure what you are talking about, those were exact lin's words, i said nobody knows how true those were, i think we lin fans put too much wishful thinking there...
He has changed his shooting form gradually year by year, this is nothing new... I do think he has a better shooting form now... but his shooting ability is only marginally improved.... all in all, we all try to find all kinds of excuses for him... but the reality is he is a not a young and coming player with a great potential anymore, if he can not consistently perform, he will be either a journey man or a washout in the league.... it will be truly sad since I expected him to be solid starter, someday maybe an all star...maybe he just does not have it after all

His 3pt shot has been improving from 32% Linsanity days to 36.9% last season, that's not marginally improved. And yet he could not gain any trust from his coaches.

I hate to put this comparison, but there are players who did not make that kind of improvement, yet nobody lost trust in them.

Just like today, Lin played total 13 min, with 22 touches, and he shot twice, made a 3, and got 4 FT chances, made 3 assist, 1 steal and 1 block. (he had 1 TO too.), not sure you could get much more out of 22 touches than this production. Yet when he played only 5 min and got subbed by Roberts, I can't see any player could have a good performance out of limitation like this. BTW, defensively, Lin only let one shot made on him today.

I really don't get what Lin did or did not do to lost coach Clifford's trust this quick.

I've been watching Jlin for several years, and as a huge Lin fan I will say he is still definitely adjusting to the new system and trying to find his role. If you remember last season with a new team, he did the same thing and then came on incredibly strong in the second half of the season and became by far the best player on the Lakers. This season so far he hasn't been our best player overall. Yes his defense has been phenomenal and a major upgrade over Kemba but Kemba has been decent to solid offensively for the most part, and Lin has had some really bad games offensively. I don't think there is any agenda against him, he just isn't lighting the world on fire yet and until he does, he won't earn consistent minutes and will just be a 15-20 minute backup PG

[blueice]

or his ankle was bad that it required limited minutes. especially in a game we weren't winning.

I don't see that as a concern for his injured ankle. He played for 5 min, sits for 18 min + half time, and then he was sent back in. If it was injured ankle, you play and don't stop. It got worse when you sit and it got swollen up. If coach really care about his ankle and have to play Lin, he should play him straight for the first half, then let him ice up for the day. Not to sit him that long and send him back in.

The only reason I would say is that coach want to play Roberts, he'd rather trust Roberts play at 2 than Lin. I just don't get it.

If that's the case, they can start looking to trade Lin already...