2020 Off-season Discussion

[SWedd523]

Would you rather have 9M to spend or 2 future 2nds? If we're still rebuilding, those draft picks matter more imo.

We can buy a 2nd in any draft for a hell of a lot less than $4.5M in cash, so give me the cap space.

Preach it

[amcoolio]

Oh boy, two 2nd round picks. That'll make me feel better.

It should

I would have asked for 4 second round picks. I mean would Boston still have said no to the TPE??

[SWedd523]

Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
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Sources: Celtics are sending 2023 and 2024 second-round picks to Charlotte for a conditional 2022 second-round pick to complete Hayward/Hornets trade.

LMAO were gonna send them the 35th pick for picks 52 and 55

Gotta love it

[James Gatz]

Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
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Sources: Celtics are sending 2023 and 2024 second-round picks to Charlotte for a conditional 2022 second-round pick to complete Hayward/Hornets trade.

LMAO were gonna send them the 35th pick for picks 52 and 55

Gotta love it

I'm betting it'll be top 55 protected. Still two late 2nds isn't much to be excited about.

[vorbis]

Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
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2m
Sources: Celtics are sending 2023 and 2024 second-round picks to Charlotte for a conditional 2022 second-round pick to complete Hayward/Hornets trade.

LMAO were gonna send them the 35th pick for picks 52 and 55

Gotta love it

I'm betting it'll be top 55 protected. Still two late 2nds isn't much to be excited about.

BOOM already recouped the 2024 2nd rounder they sent out for Nick Richards #makingmoves #9dchess

[CuseMayne]

It's clear Mitch thinks this team is an East Finals contender as currently construed. Make no sense with the moves they made in free agency.

Literally mind boggling how stupid this is. Wasn't Mitch talking in a press conference pre draft how we were focused on developing our young players and something along the tune of, "It'll be hard for us to win games?" Also, "We won't be a big spender this offseason?"

Completely punting all of our flexibility and making the curse of Batum last 3 more years? For a brittle Gordon Hayward? So GH and a 19 year old LaMelo Ball are strong enough moves to warrant a shifting of our focus from "developing young guys" to "let's mortgage our future now so we can compete?"

Goooootcha.

[Braggins]

This franchise is a complete joke.

I would say Mitch should be fired, but it doesn't matter and there is no point. No one competent with vision is ever going to agree to be a GM for MJ and even if they did, MJ would still sabotage. This might be the low point since I started following in 2011.

[SWedd523]

This franchise is a complete joke.

I would say Mitch should be fired, but it doesn't matter and there is no point. No one competent with vision is ever going to agree to be an GM for MJ and even if they did, MJ would still sabotage. This might be the low point since I started following in 2011.

Odd that signing a guy I actually like as a basketball player in GH is the driving force behind many of us hitting LOLCat low morale levels.

Legit think MJ needs to cash in on his investment asap and take everyone in the front office except JB with him

[Braggins]

This franchise is a complete joke.

I would say Mitch should be fired, but it doesn't matter and there is no point. No one competent with vision is ever going to agree to be an GM for MJ and even if they did, MJ would still sabotage. This might be the low point since I started following in 2011.

Odd that signing a guy I actually like as a basketball player in GH is the driving force behind many of us hitting LOLCat low morale levels.

Legit think MJ needs to cash in on his investment asap and take everyone in the front office except JB with him

Yep, its weird. GH is a solidly positive player who plays the right way and they found a way to make signing him a potential disaster.

[HornetJail]

This franchise is a complete joke.

I would say Mitch should be fired, but it doesn't matter and there is no point. No one competent with vision is ever going to agree to be an GM for MJ and even if they did, MJ would still sabotage. This might be the low point since I started following in 2011.

Odd that signing a guy I actually like as a basketball player in GH is the driving force behind many of us hitting LOLCat low morale levels.

Legit think MJ needs to cash in on his investment asap and take everyone in the front office except JB with him

lol like we're allowed to have nice things

[Diop]

I had a gut feeling they were pretty set with the team we had. (apart from Batum)
So I'm not totally surprised with how this turned out. I guess the idea is to have a good year and to convice another star they could be the missing piece to a great team here.

[316Hornets]

With the Batum stretch, I think we are in pretty good position to secure some nice draft picks in 2021 and 2022. Hayward will be a mentor to get us through this rebuild and we'll be making some noise when LaMelo is up for his 2nd contract. 2023 season should be the target date to have a playoff team. Still not happy about us backloading the Hayward deal though.

[JMAC3]

Not to be the bearer of bad news, but looking at our available cap next offseason, we should have 30 million in cap space. However we have 15 million in cap holds with Graham and Monk so we will have about 15 million of free cap or so to try to pick up other free agents.

Stretching Batum, makes it a lot tougher to potentially sign a MAX guy (unlikely even before Batum.

What kind of contract does everyone think Monk will get?

[Braggins]

Not to be the bearer of bad news, but looking at our available cap next offseason, we should have 30 million in cap space. However we have 15 million in cap holds with Graham and Monk so we will have about 15 million of free cap or so to try to pick up other free agents.

Stretching Batum, makes it a lot tougher to potentially sign a MAX guy (unlikely even before Batum.

What kind of contract does everyone think Monk will get?

Its impossible to say at this point without seeing how he does this year, but I think if he plays well we are very likely losing him for nothing in the offseason.

[JMAC3]

Not to be the bearer of bad news, but looking at our available cap next offseason, we should have 30 million in cap space. However we have 15 million in cap holds with Graham and Monk so we will have about 15 million of free cap or so to try to pick up other free agents.

Stretching Batum, makes it a lot tougher to potentially sign a MAX guy (unlikely even before Batum.

What kind of contract does everyone think Monk will get?

Its impossible to say at this point without seeing how he does this year, but I think if he plays well we are very likely losing him for nothing in the offseason.

He is restricted free agent, so we won't lose him for nothing unless a team just offers him significantly more than we want to pay him. We can match any offer. We could pay Monk the MAX and Graham the MAX and still have 15 million in cap space and the Full MLE.

If we do not sign Monk back then we will have 28 million in cap space plus still be able to resign Graham to a MAX after we use that full amount of cap space.

[BigSlam]

If we do not sign Monk back then we will have 28 million in cap space plus still be able to resign Graham to a MAX after we use that full amount of cap space.

If we sign Tae to a max contract next offseason then that will leave this offseason for dead in the “which was the worst off seasons” stakes.

[JMAC3]

If we do not sign Monk back then we will have 28 million in cap space plus still be able to resign Graham to a MAX after we use that full amount of cap space.

If we sign Tae to a max contract next offseason then that will leave this offseason for dead in the “which was the worst off seasons” stakes.

Yeah I do not think we will actually do it, was just using it as an example to illustrate how the cap works for us next summer.

[Braggins]

Not to be the bearer of bad news, but looking at our available cap next offseason, we should have 30 million in cap space. However we have 15 million in cap holds with Graham and Monk so we will have about 15 million of free cap or so to try to pick up other free agents.

Stretching Batum, makes it a lot tougher to potentially sign a MAX guy (unlikely even before Batum.

What kind of contract does everyone think Monk will get?

Its impossible to say at this point without seeing how he does this year, but I think if he plays well we are very likely losing him for nothing in the offseason.

He is restricted free agent, so we won't lose him for nothing unless a team just offers him significantly more than we want to pay him. We can match any offer. We could pay Monk the MAX and Graham the MAX and still have 15 million in cap space and the Full MLE.

If we do not sign Monk back then we will have 28 million in cap space plus still be able to resign Graham to a MAX after we use that full amount of cap space.

I know he is restricted, but if he plays well the cost of resigning he and Graham could end up being like 30+ million per season. Its obviously doable if they really want to, but would have the team rapidly running out of any future cap flexibility. Hayward + Rozier + Batum stretch + Graham/Monk new contracts would be around 90 million committed to four roster spots for non all-stars. I think there is decent chance that if someone signs Monk to a decent offer sheet they just have to let him go.

I'm really hoping they flip Rozier for an expiring and a pick by the deadline.

[JDR720]

So, we basically traded a bunch of cap space and Nic for Hayward and 2 late 2nd round picks.

That's...not great. In fact, that is pretty bad.

[JDR720]

With the Batum stretch, I think we are in pretty good position to secure some nice draft picks in 2021 and 2022. Hayward will be a mentor to get us through this rebuild and we'll be making some noise when LaMelo is up for his 2nd contract. 2023 season should be the target date to have a playoff team. Still not happy about us backloading the Hayward deal though.

That isn't what you sign 120 million dollar players for. We could've signed a few cheap vets like the Hawks did with Vince Carter the past couple seasons.