The Scoot Henderson Thread

wilson115 · Post #821 » by **wilson115** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 9:46 am

LaMelo without the ball:

Trey24 · Post #822 » by **Trey24** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 10:49 am

KingCat wrote:
amcoolio wrote:I think this is the most intense debate we've had with NBA draft prospects since the Bobcats came back into the league.

There's not much more to say, both prospects have their pros and cons, hopefully we will get a star with either.

Ready for the draft, its going to be a long week.

Really would rather not trade the pick for Ingram

Yeah, cause there are only two options so it's easy to take sides and people are getting stir crazy at this point. I remember 2012 was nothing like this.

2012 nobody knew who picks 2-7 were going to be lol

Snidely FC · Post #823 » by **Snidely FC** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 1:07 pm

fatlever wrote:“While the belief has been that the Charlotte Hornets prefer Brandon Miller, it's sounding more like just a rumor that's snowballed. No NBA sources have any legitimate explanation or substance behind the assumption.”

wasn't the "legitimate explanation" behind the assumption based on Hornets GM Mitch Kupchak saying at the combine that the team has enough talent to draft for fit...then dots being connected to the presence of PG LaMelo Ball already on the roster...

the broad discourse throughout this draft process has been Miller for fit vs Scoot for bpa; people who don't believe the Hornets will draft for fit either aren't listening to Kupchak, or not paying attention to team management consistently basing basketball decisions on the belief that when healthy the existing roster is a playoff team

Snidely FC · Post #824 » by **Snidely FC** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 1:20 pm

also, just a psa; if you are a Scoot fan and hear his name called at #2 on Thursday, do not get excited until you hear for sure that the pick has not been traded. this happened with SGA - hurray, they picked him! moments later, oof they traded him! - just a friendly reminder that this team almost never does what its fans hope or think it ought to

SWedd523 · Post #825 » by **SWedd523** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 2:29 pm

wilson115 wrote:"Not a threat without the ball."

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yeah let's draft a PG at #2 to use him as a screener

Rich4114 · Post #826 » by **Rich4114** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 8:53 pm

SWedd523 wrote:
wilson115 wrote:"Not a threat without the ball."

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yeah let's draft a PG at #2 to use him as a screener

Versatility in todays NBA is essential. You want a one dimensional PG instead?

SWedd523 · Post #827 » by **SWedd523** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 9:02 pm

Rich4114 wrote:
SWedd523 wrote:
wilson115 wrote:"Not a threat without the ball."

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yeah let's draft a PG at #2 to use him as a screener

Versatility in todays NBA is essential. You want a one dimensional PG instead?

You get versatility by being able to score in a bunch of ways. From deep, off the dribble, high post, fast break.

You get positional versatility by having tall/long/athletic dudes who can play up and down the lineups as matchups dictate.

Strict PGs in general don't fit that mold, pretty much by definition. Poor shooting ones even less so.

SWedd523 · Post #828 » by **SWedd523** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 9:07 pm

Melo is versatile because he's tall, great in transition, has a great dribble, can shoot, and creates mismatches just by being on the floor.

a 6'2 PG with a mediocre shot isn't "versatile". Can guys like Westbrook overcome that and find personal success by being anomalies? Yes. He still never found team success though because his game doesn't translate to playoff basketball.

BuzzCityRell · Post #829 » by **BuzzCityRell** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 9:40 pm

Ahh man this is thread is going to a treat to come back and read years from now

JMAC3 · Post #830 » by **JMAC3** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 9:56 pm

Ran the Math today for Scoot Free Throws.
Scoot averaged 17.6 ppg in the Gleague
5.9 2pt fgs made = 11.8ppg
0.9 3pt fgs made= 2.7 ppg
Total 14.5 ppg

Leaving 3.1 ppg from FTM. Which he made 2.2 so 1.4 points per free throw. Far from assuming each was worth 2 points.
1.4* 2.9 FTA= 4.1 FTA if he played in a standard league.

Good for a FTr of 0.277 compared to Miller at 0.329 FTr and 4.6 FTA

JustBuzzin · Post #831 » by **JustBuzzin** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 10:06 pm

We draft Scoot we need to hire Mike Dantoni as coach. Clifford will not know how to get the best of Scoot/Melo. We need a fastbreak type system with athletes like Scoot/Bridges.

BeesWax · Post #832 » by **BeesWax** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 11:35 pm

SWedd523 wrote:Melo is versatile because he's tall, great in transition, has a great dribble, can shoot, and creates mismatches just by being on the floor.

a 6'2 PG with a mediocre shot isn't "versatile". Can guys like Westbrook overcome that and find personal success by being anomalies? Yes. He still never found team success though because his game doesn't translate to playoff basketball.

But 6'4 with a 6'9 wingspan puts him slightly longer than Avery Bradley was. He would also be about the same as Oladipo also shorter by half and inch but longer wingspan by an inch than Grayson Allen. These are all guys who spent most of their time at the 2. With his build he should be able to defend some at the 2. He needs coaching and he needs work but from what I have read he loves the game and is a hard worker. He shoots well mid range and finishes at the rim better than anyone we have outside of Bridges.

I think he could work. He needs to develop some but most of these young guys do. I mean he is also young enough he could still be growing some. I know I grew all the way until I was 20. I am just ready for Thursday so we know if we have a new rookie to cheer for or if we traded for a vet. No more debates we can all just get behind whomever we pick and start rooting.

wilson115 · Post #833 » by **wilson115** » Sun Jun 18, 2023 10:52 am

SWedd523 wrote:The passing/playmaking gap between Melo and Scoot is much bigger than the shooting gap between Melo and Miller.

*watches LaMelo chuck up early-clock threes about a billion times*
*throws up hands*

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SWedd523 · Post #834 » by **SWedd523** » Sun Jun 18, 2023 1:10 pm

The way you talk makes me think you view Scoot in a better light than Melo

Rich4114 · Post #835 » by **Rich4114** » Sun Jun 18, 2023 1:41 pm

It’s nice that Miller is a good shooter right out of the gate, but why is a 6’9” dude having such a low conversion rate at the rim compared to every other top prospect?

Scoot 58% half court at the rim and Miller 39%

https://www.reddit.com/r/NBA_Draft/comments/14ca0vg/brandon_millers_half_court_finishing_at_the_rim/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1

JMAC3 · Post #836 » by **JMAC3** » Sun Jun 18, 2023 1:52 pm

Wemby TS% - 56.4 TS%
Miller TS% - 58.3 TS%
Scoot TS% - 54.6 TS%

Weird Miller is the one we are trying to roast as the inefficient one.

Braggins · Post #837 » by **Braggins** » Sun Jun 18, 2023 2:05 pm

Scoot averaged 3.64 points per game from free throws.

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I believe FTr is calculated by dividing free throw attempts by field goal attempts, so I don't know if that can be calculated precisely without determining what his actual attempt numbers would have been with normal free throw rules.

If you use the same estimation method used earlier you get a eFTr of 0.329 for Scoot (same as Miller's FTr).

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wilson115 · Post #838 » by **wilson115** » Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:12 pm

SWedd523 wrote:The way you talk makes me think you view Scoot in a better light than Melo

JustBuzzin · Post #839 » by **JustBuzzin** » Sun Jun 18, 2023 11:02 pm

wilson115 wrote:
SWedd523 wrote:The passing/playmaking gap between Melo and Scoot is much bigger than the shooting gap between Melo and Miller.

*watches LaMelo chuck up early-clock threes about a billion times*
*throws up hands*

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This is cool and all but we are one of the worst 3pt shooting teams in the league last year. What good is it to have Scoot/Melo playmaking if we don't have shooters around them?

wilson115 · Post #840 » by **wilson115** » Sun Jun 18, 2023 11:28 pm

JustBuzzin wrote:This is cool and all but we are one of the worst 3pt shooting teams in the league last year. What good is it to have Scoot/Melo playmaking if we don't have shooters around them?

Season before last the Hornets were 6th league-wide in 3FG% and 5th in attempts. What happened? No Miles=no rim pressure. No LaMelo=no playmaking. No question NBA teams can't ever have enough shooting but we've got four more picks to get shooters with after #2.