Bobcats Picks Discussion (#9, #19, #39)

[countryboi]

cap space is very overrated....we are better off with physical assets than hording cap space like we are going to convince howard and paul to come here

[Jaruff]

cap space is very overrated....we are better off with physical assets than hording cap space like we are going to convince howard and paul to come here

You need cap space to sign those assets once their rookie contracts end. You also need assets to bring in a few veteran building blocks to pair with the young guys or if you pull a Boston and move your prospects for big time players.

[W_HAMILTON]

Given that 2012 is so soon, I wouldn't be opposed to "hoarding cap space" in the slight chance that you could get both of them to come here because you could be one of the few (only?) teams that could sign both outright (a la McGrady/Hill back in the day).

[ohara]

Looking at the latest on the ESPN Big Board, which changes with the imput that they get from workouts and scouts, some interesting changes. Singleton is up to #9, Klay Thompson #10, Burks at #13 and Twin 1 all the way to #17. Now it is obvious from my postings I am no fan of Twin 1 at #9, but I think he'd be awesome if we could get him at #19. That would be great value.

[ohara]

What if we made the Miller trade and it looks something like:

#9 and Diop
for
#21 and Miller

and then we waive Miller creating an additional $7mil in cap space on top of the $13mil or so we get from Przybilla and MoPete coming off the books creating around $20mil of instant cap space.

Then with that cap space, we do one of three things:

1. Sign Marc Gasol to a serious offer sheet
2. Phone the Jazz and see if they are taking Kanter 3rd overall and see if we can take Big Al off them
3. Apply the same above to the Clippers and Kaman

Then at #19 we draft who ever drops out of Burks, Brooks, Thompson or Hamilton (assuming one of the drops) and then we take BPA at #21.

Walking away from draft night with Big Al, Burks and Hamilton wouldn't be so bad!

I like your thinking!

[bobcats3wallace]

Looking at the latest on the ESPN Big Board, which changes with the imput that they get from workouts and scouts, some interesting changes. Singleton is up to #9, Klay Thompson #10, Burks at #13 and Twin 1 all the way to #17. Now it is obvious from my postings I am no fan of Twin 1 at #9, but I think he'd be awesome if we could get him at #19. That would be great value.

Again though, even at 19, what is the point? He still wouldn't fill a need. He would be playing a position where we already have 4 deep. Not to mention at 19 your most likely looking at having the opportunity to fill a need, like a C in Nikola Vucevic. Stay away from PF's in this draft, we don't need them.

[bobcats3wallace]

cap space is very overrated....we are better off with physical assets than hording cap space like we are going to convince howard and paul to come here

And reality is your getting physical assets. In the trade scenario we were talking about, we got pick 21. In this draft there is no star but it is very deep. As others have already said, many players have gone from 25 to 15 that's just how this draft is. At pick 21 you could still get a very solid physical asset while also gaining cap space. Like I said earlier, at 19 and 21 it's possible we could land Hamilton and Vucevic. Hamilton was a guy we talked about at 9 for the longest time and Vucevic was a guy we talked about at 19. You would be getting physical assets in that scenario. The difference between pick 9 and pick 19 or 21 in this draft are minimal.

[Jaruff]

Looking at the latest on the ESPN Big Board, which changes with the imput that they get from workouts and scouts, some interesting changes. Singleton is up to #9, Klay Thompson #10, Burks at #13 and Twin 1 all the way to #17. Now it is obvious from my postings I am no fan of Twin 1 at #9, but I think he'd be awesome if we could get him at #19. That would be great value.

Again though, even at 19, what is the point? He still wouldn't fill a need. He would be playing a position where we already have 4 deep. Not to mention at 19 your most likely looking at having the opportunity to fill a need, like a C in Nikola Vucevic. Stay away from PF's in this draft, we don't need them.

At 19, you're looking at BPA for Morris. See if he can adapt to SF, if not, someone will trade for him (Toronto gave up a first rounder for James Johnson and we gave up a first rounder for Tyrus).

We don't have the luxury of drafting for need. We suck too badly.

[ohara]

^^Exactly. Although I do like Vucevic, if you can land Twin #1 at the #19 pick, that value is tremendous. You either keep him and end up trading Diaw or TT, or someone else will pay you a handsome pricefor Twin #1. Either way, that value is great for the #19 pick. But it is unlikely he takes that much of a fall.

[bobcats3wallace]

i'll take the value of a 7 footer who can stretch the floor and rebound while also filling a huge need over someone who comes in at our most crowded position, would require other moves just to allow him a spot, and quite honestly is not overly empowering in any one part of this game.

Give me the 7 footer with potential any day of the week over a PF with an average skill set. Vucevic would be among the BPA and when you have as many needs as you stated, and there is a guy who would fill a HUGE need for you among the BPA, y ou take him. It's a no brainer. Although knowing the Bobcats, your probably right. T hey would make the dumb decision to fill the ONE position were set at while ignoring the ONE position we have nothing at. That's exactly why we are in this position...

[fatlever]

i posted in the news thread about how bonnell is saying we like singleton and will have to take him at 9 if we want him. we havent talked to much about him lately as the talk has mainly been about burks and brooks. how does everyone feel about singleton? as much as we need offense i do kinda like the idea of getting the best wing defender in the draft. hendo and singleton would give us two lock down defenders to throw at miami over the next 3 years.

[ohara]

Green Room Invitees: Expected to go in the 1st 14 picks per ESPN

Irving, Williams, Kanter, Knight,Kemba, Valanciunas, Vesely, Leonard, Singleton, Klay T., Tristan T., Jimmer, Marcus Morris, Burks

Dont think the order implied the order predicted to go, but Singleton is #9.

[Bassman]

i posted in the news thread about how bonnell is saying we like singleton and will have to take him at 9 if we want him. we havent talked to much about him lately as the talk has mainly been about burks and brooks. how does everyone feel about singleton? as much as we need offense i do kinda like the idea of getting the best wing defender in the draft. hendo and singleton would give us two lock down defenders to throw at miami over the next 3 years.

Fats, I guess I could live with Singleton, but I still do not trust in his ability to develop an NBA=grade offense/shot. We need shooters..people who are always a deadly force to hit shots, score off the dribble and create offense. Chris has an "improved" shot but that means little to me relative to the next level. Yes the D sounds really good. I still am hopeful we make a deal with Minny to get the 2 and Kanter while keeping the 19.

[ohara]

As much as I like Klay Thompson, I have to think Singleton is actually the smart pick at #9. Kid can guard 2's, 3's and 4's, which means he is valuable and will see a good bit of PT as a Rookie. And everyone you hear or those you read all say his offense is improving. I think he may be exactly what we need. And at #19, there will be a couple "scorers" available or perhaps Monti or Vucevic if you want a Big. But keeping in mind that great teams play great Defense, I think if we take Singleton we will be adding to an already good young defensive core.

[bobcats3wallace]

As much as I like Klay Thompson, I have to think Singleton is actually the smart pick at #9. Kid can guard 2's, 3's and 4's, which means he is valuable and will see a good bit of PT as a Rookie. And everyone you hear or those you read all say his offense is improving. I think he may be exactly what we need. And at #19, there will be a couple "scorers" available or perhaps Monti or Vucevic if you want a Big. But keeping in mind that great teams play great Defense, I think if we take Singleton we will be adding to an already good young defensive core.

I think I would still tend to stay on the Klay Thompson bandwagon. However my stance on Singleton is warming. He shot a respectable percent from 3 last season, which would be my big gripe. We absolutely need 3 point shooter and that's why I like Klay Thompson so much. Walsh even went as far as to compare Thompson to Reggie Miller.

Looking at Singleton he certainly has great size for the 3 and can guard 3 positions. His offensive game is limited, maybe more so than some would like to admit. As i mentioned he had a decent 3 point percentage last year (like 37% i believe). To me though he is a Gerald Henderson but taller. And that kind of scares me, not because of the player himself but because of his style. We can't afford to have TWO gerald Hendersons in our starting lineup 3 years from now. (from the standpoint of a limited offensive game and limited shooting ability) All in all, I see why Singleton could be the pick, and I do see the importance of defense. But I still say Klay Thompson is what we need. I would be okay with Singleton though. I just REALLY want Vucevic at 19. Especially if we go Singleton at 9 because Vucevic can bring shooting and is a very good rebounder. We need a big man and we need exactly what he brings. If we pass on him i'm not even sure what i'll do. Haha

[SWedd523]

Look, I love defense as much as the next guy, probably more so. Lord knows I have to after watching the Cats for 7 years now. But is it too much of me to ask for a guy who can score on his man when we give him the ball? Haven't we learned that it's stupid easy to guard the Bobcats?

DJ has to spot up
Hendo has to come off screens
Singleton would be relegated to corner 3s
Tyrus has no post moves (runner hook doesn't count)
Kwame......


You add defensive stalwarts AFTER you get your scorers.

[Downtown]

The way Singleton is described here reminds me of a young Boris Diaw. He was considered a versatile player coming into the league and was known more for his ability to guard multiple positions over his offence.

I think the BPA approach has to be considered at #9 in a draft like this when there are so many players grouped into that #10-20 range. If a player such as Kemba Walker or Leonard falls you take him regardless. Singleton sounds fine. Maybe even Marcus Morris, or Klay Thompson, but if a player that has been rated much higher drops off you have to take the chance.

At #19 if Jordan Hamilton or Bismark Biyombo is there, along with one of the Morris twins you have to consider that.

You also see it all the time where teams trade down in the bottom of the first to the second round and I like Darius Morris or Jeremy Tyler with a late first round pick.

I see alot of surprises with players dropping this draft as teams don't see too many blue chip, impact players so they go with the longshots on potential rather than the mainstream names. Having another pick in the mid twenties might yield someone that could stick with the Bobcats and surprise people.

[ohara]

I agree with you Downtown. Ideally, I would love to trade #9 to Houston for #14 and #23 and more if possible.

[Rich4114]

If Portland, NY, etc. want to move up to take Bismack then I would gladly trade them our #9 pick for cap space. Particularly NY if we can make them a non-threat for CP3. Force them to take Diop to get #9. We can take Billups back and just not resign him right? They'd also have to give us #17 of course.

As for Portland, makes you wonder if they would consider Brandon Roy in a deal with us.

But I'm in the hoard cap space/future draft pick camp. In fact, I've been saying even if we could simply trade #9 this year for #15 or better next year it's probably worth it.

[bobcats3wallace]

I agree with you Downtown. Ideally, I would love to trade #9 to Houston for #14 and #23 and more if possible.

The Houston deal would be perfect, IMO. At 14 there is a real good chance that one of our guys might still be there. I have a feeling that one of Thompson, SIngleton, or Brooks will be at 14. In fact IF we could get 14 and 23 it would work out rather perfectly as we could probably grab Brooks at 14, Jordan Hamilton at 19 and then Nikola Nucevic at 23. I can't even begin to describe how perfect a draft it would be if we could get those 3 guys...i mean talk about filling needs.