The Kemba Walker Thread

[penquin11]

To be fair if Silas wasn't running a joke offense our team would be alot better. Currently our offense doesn't take advantage of just about any of our players strengths.

If our offense was tailored to our players:

Kemba: His speed and handles (ability to keep the ball under control at high speeds) combined with his ability to drive the ball and adjust for contact during layups would make you think he would be efficiently averaging 16-18ppg as in the NBA Today your man really can't touch you- so a quick first step is really all that you need to be a good scorer as a guard (see Russell Westbrook and John Wall or hell even Jeremy Lin scored most of his points by driving during linsanity), but due to the lack of floor chemistry (see effective screens and good off-ball play for details) and the general adaptation of our offense to facilitate the midrange game (the most inefficient way to score) Kemba has been forced to rely on his shot- which hasn't been falling.

Henderson: Henderson is an athlete with only average ball control ability (at best) for the SG position, however he is a top tier rebounder/defender for the SG position and has a nasty post fade that brings back memories of MJ, his downside however is that while he is great at nailing shots off the dribble/after dribbling he isn't the greatest at catching and shooting and nor does he posses good 3 point shooting ability. Henderson should be a poor mans Kobe (I could see him score ~21ppg at his current skill level) but the team doesn't utilize off-ball play enough to give Henderson the best chance to score or get inside- hell half the time our players just seem like they are dwadling around on the floor.

Magette: Actually our play does fit his strengths- he likes to pointlessly drive inside (while ignoring open team-mates) and initiate contact/draw the foul. If he weren't so fragile I would mistake him for a football player.

Byron Mullens: If we created more catch and shoot opportunities for him he would really prosper- just look at what he did in the Raptors game (the one we lost) to see how we could run our offense to maximize his production (but imagine it with much more activity off the ball).

Bismack Biyombo: Most of the time when he gets the ball in the post a defender is breathing down his back- and due to his lack of size that forces him to have to work hard to score- and force him to play to his weaknesses. Biyombo is exceptionally quick for a C/PF, and if we could better utilize his quickness in the post he would be much better off (currently Silas has him pretending to be Shaq or some **** when he is out there- its both hilarious and depressing to watch at the same time) If we could run the pick and roll worth a damn and find him for alley-oop opportunities his offensive production would be much higher.

Best offensive fit: The Triangle as while its complex it also allows an undersized lineup to compete with much larger teams- it allows mobility to trump size and therefore would be great for Henderson, Kemba, and Biyombo.

[captaincrunk]

DJ doesn't look to shoot at all

Kemba doesn't look to pass at all.

Also DJ averages 10 attempts a game, Kemba averages 11.

[Eoghan]

Man, everybody's stats suck this year. Let's just throw this year out the window.

[captaincrunk]

Man, everybody's stats suck this year. Let's just throw this year out the window.

Yeah but you can compare their abilities in the same "terrible offense" and find that kemba does worse

[DY_nasty]

Kemba is just unnecessarily passive.

I thought DJ was bad, but geez...

[penquin11]

Kemba is passive because Isolation is ineffective- and hes not looking to lower his shot % any more than it already is. Watching game tape reveals the dysfunctional of the Lolcats offense- essentially Silas has them out there looking almost entirely for their shot, and because of this effective team play (naming off-ball activity, post game, and shot selection) suffer. I might have disliked Larry Brown because of how un-charasmatic he was, but hell at least he forced the Bobcats to utilize actual plays and to maximize on a few players abilities. I know DJA was "broken" under him but I honestly cannot picture DJA being the passer he is today without having been coached by Larry. The issue with Larry is that he would bring "his guys" into the program under terrible contracts- and those guys would become washups that would falter the second he left. When Larry was here Diaw was without a doubt our most consistent player- not spectacular but he did a little bit of everything- then Larry leaves and Diaw becomes meatloaf cancer. When Larry was here T2 looked like he was slowly becoming a better scorer- Larry Leaves and T2 goes from promising prospect to Tyrus the Terrible. But then there is the Bad Larry- the stubborn one who is too harsh on players- At the Beginning of last Season most people considered Gerald Henderson to be a complete bust- hell Hendo rarely got play time until Silas got the job- and as soon as he did all of a sudden Hendo looked pretty damn good- as a matter of fact he probably remains as the best draft pick in Bobcats history to this point based on his early production.
What I'm getting at is that Kemba Walker will likely be the same way when a new coach comes in- if that coach has half a brain then he will use schemes that utilize Kemba's insane speed/driving ability to create easy buckets- as Kemba adjusts to this the said coach will then start teaching Kemba to better pass out of the Drive (something Rondo/Lin are great at)to get easy assists (this would also really help Biyombo). Kemba still has alot of promise- but he was picked by what is likely one of the worst teams in NBA history and told to hold his own- to further the difficulties injuries forced him to take on the position of the "Man" of the team at times- something that he clearly isn't ready for. However what I find impressive is how well he has handled it mentally- I haven't heard jack sh*t complaints, excuses, or bull from him all season- he is commited to the organization and getting better. Kemba is willing to help the team in any way possible even if it means comming off the bench- and for that reason Kemba is a great addition to our team.

[Elden Payton]

Kemba is passive because Isolation is ineffective- and hes not looking to lower his shot % any more than it already is. Watching game tape reveals the dysfunctional of the Lolcats offense- essentially Silas has them out there looking almost entirely for their shot, and because of this effective team play (naming off-ball activity, post game, and shot selection) suffer. I might have disliked Larry Brown because of how un-charasmatic he was, but hell at least he forced the Bobcats to utilize actual plays and to maximize on a few players abilities. I know DJA was "broken" under him but I honestly cannot picture DJA being the passer he is today without having been coached by Larry. The issue with Larry is that he would bring "his guys" into the program under terrible contracts- and those guys would become washups that would falter the second he left. When Larry was here Diaw was without a doubt our most consistent player- not spectacular but he did a little bit of everything- then Larry leaves and Diaw becomes meatloaf cancer. When Larry was here T2 looked like he was slowly becoming a better scorer- Larry Leaves and T2 goes from promising prospect to Tyrus the Terrible. But then there is the Bad Larry- the stubborn one who is too harsh on players- At the Beginning of last Season most people considered Gerald Henderson to be a complete bust- hell Hendo rarely got play time until Silas got the job- and as soon as he did all of a sudden Hendo looked pretty damn good- as a matter of fact he probably remains as the best draft pick in Bobcats history to this point based on his early production.
What I'm getting at is that Kemba Walker will likely be the same way when a new coach comes in- if that coach has half a brain then he will use schemes that utilize Kemba's insane speed/driving ability to create easy buckets- as Kemba adjusts to this the said coach will then start teaching Kemba to better pass out of the Drive (something Rondo/Lin are great at)to get easy assists (this would also really help Biyombo). Kemba still has alot of promise- but he was picked by what is likely one of the worst teams in NBA history and told to hold his own- to further the difficulties injuries forced him to take on the position of the "Man" of the team at times- something that he clearly isn't ready for. However what I find impressive is how well he has handled it mentally- I haven't heard jack sh*t complaints, excuses, or bull from him all season- he is commited to the organization and getting better. Kemba is willing to help the team in any way possible even if it means comming off the bench- and for that reason Kemba is a great addition to our team.

Excellent post imo.

[DY_nasty]

I'd rather have Jimmer than Kemba at this point.

[penquin11]

I'd rather have Jimmer than Kemba at this point.

What the **** are you smoking Willis.

1. Neither Jimmer nor Kemba are shooting above .40%, with Jimmer having the slight edge over Kemba at .384 to Kembas .373. The differential in the talent level of the two respective teams alone- not even considering coach quality, could account for this.

2. Jimmer was expected to take over the starting PG spot or at least work his way to be the lead true PG on the Kings team- instead he has been beat out (massacred even) by a guard who is 5'9 that is not the best 3 point shooter. Kemba on the other hand essentially has earned a spot as our teams 6th man and even starter at one point despite facing a more experienced clone of himself.

3. Jimmer averages a measily 1.8apg, which is pathetic considering he plays 18 mpg- he would average only 3.6 in 36 min at that pace (spoiler alert: Kemba averages more in 27 mpg); this all comes despite the offensive talent available for Jimmer to pass out too- Demarcus Cousins is turning into a elite Center, Tyreke Evans scores 17ppg, Marcus thornton is a great pass and pop option, John Salmons is able to score, and the list goes on. Kemba Walker has Mully and Hendo to pass too- thats it.

4. Jimmer can't play D to save his life. Kemba plays solid D.

5. Kemba is a far superior athlete to Jimmer, which will impact his development into a better player than Jimmer (Jimmer isn't fast enough to take advantage of the rules that allow players with a quick first step to be unstoppable- Kemba on the other hand is.)

6. They both average about the same number of TO's per 36 with Kemba at 2.4 and Jimmer at 2.2, this comes despite the fact that Kemba averages 5.7 apg per 36 and Jimmer only 3.6 (in other words the Assist to To ratio is in Kemba's favor)

7. Kemba has a PER of 15.47, Jimmer has a PER of 10.79- which is lower than the offensively challenged Bismack Biyombo. Kemba also ranks 5th among rookies in estimated Wins added- Jimmer ranks 28th.

So why in gods name would you want an nonathletic player who cannot pass or defend who's soul redeeming value was supposed to be his shooting ability- of which he is apparently so athletically challenged that not even that is working for him? Not to mention he is getting beat out by a player (Isiah Thomas) who averages worse numbers than Kemba in the first place (Aside from PER and EWA which are heavily influenced by FG% of which Isiah is indeed doing better in)?

[SWedd523]

Isn't Kemba supposed to THRIVE in isolation?

[penquin11]

Isn't Kemba supposed to THRIVE in isolation?

Isolation is the least efficient way to score the ball period. Even the players that are the best at it are inefficient by their standards. Kobe's shooting struggles this year can be FULLY attributed to his tendency to isolate. Furthermore the lack of offball movement basically screams out to opposing teams that Kemba is going to go ISO- and what is worse is even when a second man blocks the lane or comes up to guard Kemba our players either don't do **** to take advantage of the situation or if they do they force Kemba to make a difficult pass- with only 5-10 seconds left on the shot clock whereby killing the possession anyways. In short even the best players at Isolation experience the greatest amount of success when their team-mates remain vigilant off ball- or even aid them in isolation:
IE if a man enters the lane to intercept a anticipated drive a fainted screen by Mully and a Cut across the baseline by Hendo would be enough to FORCE the opposing team to pull out of the lane to cover Hendo on the perimeter- this opens up 3 options
A. Mully is open/away from his man/ hieght mismatch is created.
B. The Man doesn't go to cover Hendo- which leaves him wide open for Kemba to pass out of Isolation during the drive for a wide open 3.
C. Another man chases down Hendo covering him but Mully holds his screen which allows Kemba to ditch any additional defender and or create a driving situation.

See what happens when off ball play is optimal? Also there are millions of other arrangements for this- some ending with a make do pick and roll or such- but players can't be sitting there doing nothing- they have to be moving around and active to allow isolation to be effective or to allow the man to pass out of iso.

SWEDD you disappoint me- after watching basketball after all these years you still don't know how inefficient isolating is?

[SWedd523]

Isn't Kemba supposed to THRIVE in isolation?

Isolation is the least efficient way to score the ball period. Even the players that are the best at it are inefficient by their standards.

Highest PER in the league

30.5--LeBron (ISO player)
26.6--Chris Paul (PG)
26.4--Wade (ISO player)
26.3--Durant (ISO player)
25.4--Love (big man)


If Isolation was the least efficient way to score then the best players in the league wouldn't thrive in that situation and the league wouldn't have transitioned into a heavy 1-on-1 style of play.

[BlackOutBuzz]

DJ doesn't look to shoot at all

Kemba doesn't look to pass at all.

Also DJ averages 10 attempts a game, Kemba averages 11.

So let me try to figure this one out...you're blasting Kemba for not looking to pass, and defending DJ's "lack of" shooting, by pointing out their stats vary by 1 shot? So 10 is acceptable, but 11 means one "doesn't look to pass at all." Got it.

The Kemba trolling is getting ridiculous.

[penquin11]

Isn't Kemba supposed to THRIVE in isolation?

Isolation is the least efficient way to score the ball period. Even the players that are the best at it are inefficient by their standards.

Highest PER in the league

30.5--LeBron (ISO player): Lebron also is a great post up player and works off of the fastbreak most of the time- he often will pass out of isolation plays in which he lacks an advantage.. Lebron is a master of Transition game and utilizes off-ball cuts frequently as well. Even for Lebron his least efficient mode of scoring comes when he isolates.
26.6--Chris Paul (PG)
26.4--Wade (ISO player)Same as Lebron but with less post game and more backdoor cuts and transitionary focus- the heat KILL opponents on the break- Lebron and Wade are why. Teams that are able to slow down the Heat's transition game and force Wade and Lebron to go Iso are writing the manual as to how to beat the Heat- its what the Mavs did during the NBA championship when they utilized the Zone so often- as it protects the inside where the Transition game usually leads too.
26.3--Durant (ISO player): Not an Iso player, Carmelo Anthony, Kobe Bryant are - but not Durant, hell Lebron is closer to being a sheer Iso player then Durant is, most of Durant's shots come off of cuts, screens, or other designed plays/pop and shoot
25.4--Love (big man)


If Isolation was the least efficient way to score then the best players in the league wouldn't thrive in that situation and the league wouldn't have transitioned into a heavy 1-on-1 style of play.

If you really want to doubt me then here:
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/76495 ... n-magazine
Its in the Points per possession stats

On Lebron James:
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-trian ... -post-game

Also it should be noted that 36% of Lebron James shots come under the basket where his FG% is 74%, his midrange game accounts for 37% of his shots (Mid-Long Range are the home of the Isolation game btw) but he only converts 42% of these (still pretty good though). To put it in perspective Lebron scores 10ppg under the basket, meanwhile he has scored 6ppg from mid-range this year.

[penquin11]

Fun fact- did you know that the Bobcats lead the league in fastbreak efficiency? God knows if we could create more opportunities we would be better off.

[Eoghan]

Man, everybody's stats suck this year. Let's just throw this year out the window.

Yeah but you can compare their abilities in the same "terrible offense" and find that kemba does worse

No offense, but I've got better things to do than decide which turd has the higher quality.

[captaincrunk]

Man, everybody's stats suck this year. Let's just throw this year out the window.

Yeah but you can compare their abilities in the same "terrible offense" and find that kemba does worse

No offense, but I've got better things to do than decide which turd has the higher quality.

Then why are you posting?

[DY_nasty]

I'd rather have Jimmer than Kemba at this point.

What the **** are you smoking Willis.

1. Neither Jimmer nor Kemba are shooting above .40%, with Jimmer having the slight edge over Kemba at .384 to Kembas .373. The differential in the talent level of the two respective teams alone- not even considering coach quality, could account for this.

2. Jimmer was expected to take over the starting PG spot or at least work his way to be the lead true PG on the Kings team- instead he has been beat out (massacred even) by a guard who is 5'9 that is not the best 3 point shooter. Kemba on the other hand essentially has earned a spot as our teams 6th man and even starter at one point despite facing a more experienced clone of himself.

3. Jimmer averages a measily 1.8apg, which is pathetic considering he plays 18 mpg- he would average only 3.6 in 36 min at that pace (spoiler alert: Kemba averages more in 27 mpg); this all comes despite the offensive talent available for Jimmer to pass out too- Demarcus Cousins is turning into a elite Center, Tyreke Evans scores 17ppg, Marcus thornton is a great pass and pop option, John Salmons is able to score, and the list goes on. Kemba Walker has Mully and Hendo to pass too- thats it.

4. Jimmer can't play D to save his life. Kemba plays solid D.

5. Kemba is a far superior athlete to Jimmer, which will impact his development into a better player than Jimmer (Jimmer isn't fast enough to take advantage of the rules that allow players with a quick first step to be unstoppable- Kemba on the other hand is.)

6. They both average about the same number of TO's per 36 with Kemba at 2.4 and Jimmer at 2.2, this comes despite the fact that Kemba averages 5.7 apg per 36 and Jimmer only 3.6 (in other words the Assist to To ratio is in Kemba's favor)

7. Kemba has a PER of 15.47, Jimmer has a PER of 10.79- which is lower than the offensively challenged Bismack Biyombo. Kemba also ranks 5th among rookies in estimated Wins added- Jimmer ranks 28th.

So why in gods name would you want an nonathletic player who cannot pass or defend who's soul redeeming value was supposed to be his shooting ability- of which he is apparently so athletically challenged that not even that is working for him? Not to mention he is getting beat out by a player (Isiah Thomas) who averages worse numbers than Kemba in the first place (Aside from PER and EWA which are heavily influenced by FG% of which Isiah is indeed doing better in)?

Jimmer aint a point guard. Neither is Kemba.

At least Jimmer doesn't run around scared the whole game though... and has the excuse of playing with the biggest collection of ballhogs in the league.

There's no stat for playing like a lil girl. Kemba has to be top 10 in that...

[Stun704]

I'd rather have Jimmer than Kemba at this point.

What the **** are you smoking Willis.

1. Neither Jimmer nor Kemba are shooting above .40%, with Jimmer having the slight edge over Kemba at .384 to Kembas .373. The differential in the talent level of the two respective teams alone- not even considering coach quality, could account for this.

2. Jimmer was expected to take over the starting PG spot or at least work his way to be the lead true PG on the Kings team- instead he has been beat out (massacred even) by a guard who is 5'9 that is not the best 3 point shooter. Kemba on the other hand essentially has earned a spot as our teams 6th man and even starter at one point despite facing a more experienced clone of himself.

3. Jimmer averages a measily 1.8apg, which is pathetic considering he plays 18 mpg- he would average only 3.6 in 36 min at that pace (spoiler alert: Kemba averages more in 27 mpg); this all comes despite the offensive talent available for Jimmer to pass out too- Demarcus Cousins is turning into a elite Center, Tyreke Evans scores 17ppg, Marcus thornton is a great pass and pop option, John Salmons is able to score, and the list goes on. Kemba Walker has Mully and Hendo to pass too- thats it.

4. Jimmer can't play D to save his life. Kemba plays solid D.

5. Kemba is a far superior athlete to Jimmer, which will impact his development into a better player than Jimmer (Jimmer isn't fast enough to take advantage of the rules that allow players with a quick first step to be unstoppable- Kemba on the other hand is.)

6. They both average about the same number of TO's per 36 with Kemba at 2.4 and Jimmer at 2.2, this comes despite the fact that Kemba averages 5.7 apg per 36 and Jimmer only 3.6 (in other words the Assist to To ratio is in Kemba's favor)

7. Kemba has a PER of 15.47, Jimmer has a PER of 10.79- which is lower than the offensively challenged Bismack Biyombo. Kemba also ranks 5th among rookies in estimated Wins added- Jimmer ranks 28th.

So why in gods name would you want an nonathletic player who cannot pass or defend who's soul redeeming value was supposed to be his shooting ability- of which he is apparently so athletically challenged that not even that is working for him? Not to mention he is getting beat out by a player (Isiah Thomas) who averages worse numbers than Kemba in the first place (Aside from PER and EWA which are heavily influenced by FG% of which Isiah is indeed doing better in)?

Jimmer aint a point guard. Neither is Kemba.

At least Jimmer doesn't run around scared the whole game though... and has the excuse of playing with the biggest collection of ballhogs in the league.

There's no stat for playing like a lil girl. Kemba has to be top 10 in that...

Are you on crack? Have you watched Kemba play at all this year? My God I've never read a post so far from the truth ever on my time at realgm, I think you've gotten Kemba and DJ Augustin confused

[Battery]

Are you on crack? Have you watched Kemba play at all this year? My God I've never read a post so far from the truth ever on my time at realgm, I think you've gotten Kemba and DJ Augustin confused

Stun, next time don't push all your chips in on an under 6 foot rookie "point" guard before he plays his first NBA game. You boxed yourself into a corner for no reason.