Fake Trade Thread #3

[JMAC3]

New Orleans open for business. I could be talked into a JJ-Miles and whatever swap. He's old, but so, so skilled.

I have to be honest, the thought of Lonzo and LaMelo playing together does intrigue me.

Not saying I would sell the farm, but if they are willing to give him up cheaply then I would consider it.

Would you do Lonzo and Hayes for Zeller and our first (top 6 protected)?

This would give us a young center that everyone is wanting and give us more defense on perimeter.

[amcoolio]

No to the older Ball. We need shooters. Ball shoots worse than Graham.

Redick is too old. He looks like a grandpa out there, and he doesn't have Korver's body to make up for it.

[DY_nasty]

lonzo might be cooked. his confidence is shot and we don't have near the amount of offensive weapons on the court to get him into his niche role

[CatgutStitches]

I still do like lonzo... BUUUUT. He needs to be the primary ball handler and we need Melo to be the primary ball handler. I'd just assume sign him as a free agent for the supposed discount we'd get

And absolutely not to the miles for jj trade. We are not a contender this year, obviously

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[Liver_Pooty]

Id do Miles for Redick 8 years ago. Now? Lol no way.

[-Ian-]

I only want Jaxson Hayes from the Pels.

[Lwcasu]

At first glance, trading for the older Ball makes zero sense, but I think it might actually be a net positive move. LaVar has said the two brothers will be on the same team. I think you at least have to angle does it help us retain LaMelo long term. Of course I’d want to trade Graham and then slide LaMelo into the starting role. I’m not so sure that’s in the Pelicans interest.

[DY_nasty]

There's nothing we can get from Lonzo that we don't already get from the twins.

Dude is allergic to driving the paint too and that's the last thing we need.

[Braggins]

I'm open to trading Rozier or Graham. It would just depend on what deals were available. Rozier would be a bigger loss, but he should net a better player in return. I haven't checked the trade machine in a while, but earlier in the season I had trouble finding trade options that made sense for both teams.

Who are the best centers or shooting guards that each player could return in a trade?

[JMAC3]

There's nothing we can get from Lonzo that we don't already get from the twins.

Dude is allergic to driving the paint too and that's the last thing we need.

At first I was against it but I think there could be something there. As far Twins go, Lonzo is a much better shooter from three and that says a lot.

Caleb is shooting 24% from deep and Cody 20%

Lonzo shot 37.5% on close to 400 attempts last year. He is struggling so far this year, but Pelicans are using him really weird and I think he lacks rhythm .

Lonzo is also a much better passer, rebounder and defender than the Martin Twins, again I would never compare him to them because he is just much better. I have mentioned in the past I like having multiple ball handlers on the court with LaMelo and Hayward and I think adding Lonzo to the mix could make us really hard to defend in half court because all three are good passers.

I just think right now is a great time to buy low, even if he doesn't turn into a starter for us it might still be worth the deal.

[JMAC3]

A couple more notes on Lonzo that gives me optimism for him as a player.

He is shooting a career high 53.4% from two point range which has been a struggle for him past.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/balllo01/gamelog/2021

A couple things from the game logs. His plus minus is actually decent and usually he has a positive one compared to the game score more often then not. Second thing is he is still shooting the ball a fair amount of times this season even though he is struggling so I am not sure his confidence is gone, think he is just struggling and maybe LaMelo and him playing together would be more comfortable. Lastly he has scored in double figures in 8/12 games so I think he is starting to be more consistent as an offensive player in terms of what he provides each night.

[JDR720]

Lonzo shoots FT's like Bismack.

That alone takes him off my trade list. You can't be a PG and shoot like a center.

[Rich4114]

Who are some trade candidates that could help us balance out the roster. Need bigs and three point shooters.

[JMAC3]

https://www.rotoworld.com/basketball/nba/depth-charts

I find this tool to be solid when looking for trades initially even though some of the players positions are wrong. It gives me a good snapshot view of a teams depth and weaknesses without having to go team by team.

I kind of hope Okongwu breaks out and the Hawks sell Capela on the low low

[Braggins]

At this point Id just trade Rozier for draft assets and give more minutes to developmental guys to try to improve our draft position. Its clear that the front office isn't really in touch with the reality of the situation and the goal is to pointlessly push to be first round fodder, or at least make the play-in tournament, so its not happening.

[JMAC3]

At this point Id just trade Rozier for draft assets and give more minutes to developmental guys to try to improve our draft position. Its clear that the front office isn't really in touch with the reality of the situation and the goal is to pointlessly push to be first round fodder, or at least make the play-in tournament, so its not happening.

I get what you are saying, but I do not think we are as untalented as some make it out to seem. Our point differential is much better than our record at this point and we are still only 4 games under .500. I think we would be trading Rozier for less than what he is worth at this point and we are not cap strapped or lack future picks so I am not sure I get the point in just dumping him for a first rounder after 20 and potentially take back a worse salary in doing so.

I think we lack depth, talented size and lack defense first players. However, I think we have elite playmaking, our shooting is decent, a ton of young talent with upside and our top 7-8 guys are all really solid NBA rotation guys or better. If we can make a couple smaller moves before the deadline I think we can sneak into the playoff and get our young guys some much needed playoff experience.

I would say playoff experience is the one area where the casual fan does not give enough credit to. All young teams have to get up the ladder rung by rung which includes barely getting in and first round knockouts. Nobody just arrives all of a sudden and makes the finals.

[JMAC3]

New perspective. Looking at teams who are going to be cap strapped this summer who are over the cap already with committed salary and either over the luxury tax or near it with returning salary before signing anyone else to exceptions etc.

Warriors- Over the Lux tax for next year before resigning Oubre, not sure they will bring him back based on current books and level of performance. They do have Twolves pick so maybe they use that to get off Wiggins or Draymond in order to clean books up.

Celtics- They are projected over luxury tax next season, after signing Tatum to massive extension and 2 year deal to Thompson it leaves free agent Daniel Theis likely odd man not coming back. Could be a guy we trade for now on the cheap so Celtics don't lose him for nothing.

Timberwolves- projected to be right at the luxury tax next offseason with current contracts. Could see them moving a couple of the midtier guys like Culver, Hernangomez, Rubio, Beasley now for an expiring contract to help free up some space over the summer to be able to be active in free agency and avoid lux tax.

[NYG]

What draft pick could the Knicks get from Charlotte in a Cody Zeller for Mitchell Robinson swap?

[BigSlam]

What draft pick could the Knicks get from Charlotte in a Cody Zeller for Mitchell Robinson swap?

You’d probably have to give us a late 1st.

Early 2nd at the least.

[Braggins]

What draft pick could the Knicks get from Charlotte in a Cody Zeller for Mitchell Robinson swap?

Id rather trade you Terry Rozier for a pick.