Bobcats Picks Discussion (#9, #19, #39)

ohara · Post #861 » by **ohara** » Sat Jun 18, 2011 10:16 pm

Saw where NY Knicks looking to get Biyombo, but they are at #17. GSW looking hard at him at #11, so they would have to move up. Would you consider trading #9 for #17 and Landry Fields or perhaps #17 and next years 1st- lottery protected- which wont matter as they will likely be a 6, 7 or 8 seed. And besides Melo and Amare, Fields is the only player they have I like.

bobcats3wallace · Post #862 » by **bobcats3wallace** » Sat Jun 18, 2011 10:20 pm

ohara wrote:Saw where NY Knicks looking to get Biyombo, but they are at #17. GSW looking hard at him at #11, so they would have to move up. Would you consider trading #9 for #17 and Landry Fields or perhaps #17 and next years 1st- lottery protected- which wont matter as they will likely be a 6, 7 or 8 seed.

Or even perhaps 17 and Douglas. I do like Landry Fields though, he would be an ideal guy off the bench for Hendo as he can stretch the floor more. I would go for eitehr of Douglas or Fields and then again take Hamilton and Vucevic with 17 and 19. Again that would be a winning situation for us I think. I don't think there is enough seperation between the guys from 9-20 to say that it wouldn't be worth it to just take Hamilton instead of Singleton or Thompson AND get Fields/Douglas in the deal.

Now, would the Knicks want Biyumbo enough to trade one of Fields or Douglas?

ohara · Post #863 » by **ohara** » Sat Jun 18, 2011 10:43 pm

If we got Fields, that eliminates needing a SG from the Draft. We could focus on another position. Would be a nice situation.

Kembastockton · Post #864 » by **Kembastockton** » Sun Jun 19, 2011 12:02 am

bobcats3wallace wrote:
ohara wrote:I agree with you Downtown. Ideally, I would love to trade #9 to Houston for #14 and #23 and more if possible.

The Houston deal would be perfect, IMO. At 14 there is a real good chance that one of our guys might still be there. I have a feeling that one of Thompson, SIngleton, or Brooks will be at 14. In fact IF we could get 14 and 23 it would work out rather perfectly as we could probably grab Brooks at 14, Jordan Hamilton at 19 and then Nikola Nucevic at 23. I can't even begin to describe how perfect a draft it would be if we could get those 3 guys...i mean talk about filling needs.

The problem is why would Houston want to give up two picks to move up to nine? They already have a nice young core of wings. They have a strong young power forward. So who is projected at nine that they would be that interested in?

ohara wrote:Saw where NY Knicks looking to get Biyombo, but they are at #17. GSW looking hard at him at #11, so they would have to move up. Would you consider trading #9 for #17 and Landry Fields or perhaps #17 and next years 1st- lottery protected- which wont matter as they will likely be a 6, 7 or 8 seed. And besides Melo and Amare, Fields is the only player they have I like.

I would rather keep nine. At nine we can draft whoever we deem to be the best two guard in the draft. I am certain that all three of the two's we have been discussing will be better than Fields. Always remember we will have the capspace to sign a better two than Fields should we draft another position.

ohara · Post #865 » by **ohara** » Sun Jun 19, 2011 12:25 am

Houston is looking at Biyombo also, so there is a good chance they will look to move up if they know NY and GSW are looking at him also. They need a big in the middle to take over for Yao, and Biyombo will play the Center position.

Burks, Brooks and klay Thompson are all solid PG's, but the transition to the NBA game is not easy. And Fields came in as a 2nd round pick and now is the starting SG. He's already proven he can make the transition. And he's only 22 and making just over $400K. Dont be over confident who we are looking at from a SG perspective is going to be better than Fields. Fields already compares favorably with Hendo:
Hendo: 9.6 pts 1.5 ast 3.0 reb
Fields 9.7 pts 1.9 ast 6.4 reb

To have both of them competing for the job will be a huge benefit to the Cats.

Stun704 · Post #866 » by **Stun704** » Sun Jun 19, 2011 4:20 am

Fields also has virtually No upside. what he is now is what he'll be for the rest of his career.. Hendo is a far superior player.

ohara · Post #867 » by **ohara** » Sun Jun 19, 2011 11:21 am

Stun704 wrote:Fields also has virtually No upside. what he is now is what he'll be for the rest of his career.. Hendo is a far superior player.

Virtually no upside? He is only 22, just completed his Rookie year, and his numbers match Hendo's. Hendo is a better defender, true. But I dont see how you can say he has no upside. But my other option for for their #17 and their next year's 1st. And before you think they wont do it, remember, their owner just let go of the smartest basketball mind in their organization and the owner is running the show again. And he and Mr. Thomas made a mess of things for much of the past decade. He could always do it again! :-)

Bizz · Post #868 » by **Bizz** » Sun Jun 19, 2011 11:58 am

I agree with Swedd I like Singelton but is he the BPA or the best fit with lack of shooting we already have. And I don't get all the Brooks love either. Is he a starter in this league? My guess is no. He at best is a Jamal Crawford who until last two years was considered a chucker by most of the league and fans.

I say we see who falls from the top guys. Irwing, Williams are a lock to go before 9. Brandon Knight and Kanter have an outside shot of dropping but as more than 1 team before us likes them probably go before. Jimmer to Sacramento rumor is going hard these days and I think it has a solid chance of happening. That is 5 players. Valanciunas and Vesely have also been rated higher than #9 all year so I guess they could also go before. If one of them drops I hope its Vesely as I don't no part in Valanciunas.

That leaves Kemba, Biyombo and Kawhi. I think one of them will be available. I would love for Kemba to drop to us at 9. Leonard I'm not completley sure with. To me he has a tweener feel to him and I don't think he will be completley successful in this league. Biyombo can be and in my opinion will be a force on defense and a huge building block for the future.

If we are going to "reach" for someone I want it to be Jordan Hamilton. He is one of the most underrated players in this draft. He will be an excellent outside shooter in the NBA. Watching him his stroke is just pure and has no limit on the range. He also plays solid defense, has a nice NBA type body. To me he looks like a starter in the league something I don't see with K.Thompson, Brooks, Morris and Singelton (with the current Bobcats rooster).

bobcats3wallace · Post #869 » by **bobcats3wallace** » Sun Jun 19, 2011 2:22 pm

Bizz wrote:I agree with Swedd I like Singelton but is he the BPA or the best fit with lack of shooting we already have. And I don't get all the Brooks love either. Is he a starter in this league? My guess is no. He at best is a Jamal Crawford who until last two years was considered a chucker by most of the league and fans.

I say we see who falls from the top guys. Irwing, Williams are a lock to go before 9. Brandon Knight and Kanter have an outside shot of dropping but as more than 1 team before us likes them probably go before. Jimmer to Sacramento rumor is going hard these days and I think it has a solid chance of happening. That is 5 players. Valanciunas and Vesely have also been rated higher than #9 all year so I guess they could also go before. If one of them drops I hope its Vesely as I don't no part in Valanciunas.

That leaves Kemba, Biyombo and Kawhi. I think one of them will be available. I would love for Kemba to drop to us at 9. Leonard I'm not completley sure with. To me he has a tweener feel to him and I don't think he will be completley successful in this league. Biyombo can be and in my opinion will be a force on defense and a huge building block for the future.

If we are going to "reach" for someone I want it to be Jordan Hamilton. He is one of the most underrated players in this draft. He will be an excellent outside shooter in the NBA. Watching him his stroke is just pure and has no limit on the range. He also plays solid defense, has a nice NBA type body. To me he looks like a starter in the league something I don't see with K.Thompson, Brooks, Morris and Singelton (with the current Bobcats rooster).

I agree that there will probably be someone that falls. If it's Biyombo, then for gods sake trade the pick! You know there will be teams trying to take a risk on him but DONT let it be us. Get value of it and let him be a bust on there team, not on ours. We need a safer pick at 9 and he is the complete opposite from safe. So if he is the one that falls then we need to take advantage and trade to pick up more assets. If it's Kemba that falls I don't have a doubt in my mind that MJ will pull the trigger. Then we will have to figure out what we are going to do with DJ, Kemba, and Liv. It would be a similar situation to Felton and DJ. DJ has a couple years left on his rookie deal, then are we just going to let him walk? Are we going to try and trade him?

Anyway, onto Jordan Hamilton. I too love the kid. However he is projected in the 20's. He is most likely going to be there at 19, if we really wanted him. So no need to take him at 9. I also am a little confused about how you don't see Klay Thompson as a starter in this league? His shooting has been compared to Reggie Miller. He has good size and versatility, there is always a spot for a guy like that to start in this league.

I still say that we absolutely HAVE to pick a C in this draft. I like you DON'T want to mess with the euro centers at 9. There was a point at which I wanted to, but not with the contract issue's they have. I keep saying this name and I think we absolutely would be dumb to pass on him at 19. NIkola Vucevic is a guy who would fill absolutely everything we need down low. and at 19 he is a very low risk type. If Biyumbo were to fall to 9 and Houston were really desperate for him, I would trade it for both there first rounders and then we could take Hamilton, Vuceciv, and possibly Brooks in no particular order. Perhaps we could even take Klay Thompson, Hamilton, and Vucevic. I don't think the quality is great enough to justify quality over quantity. So in this case, i'll take quantity over quality because any combination of those three guys would drastically improve our team now and in the future. Either way, absolutely cannot wait for this draft. There are very few ways in my mind that they can really mess this up....

bobcats3wallace · Post #870 » by **bobcats3wallace** » Sun Jun 19, 2011 2:46 pm

Rick Bonnel has released his mock draft:

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/0 ... draft.html

9: Chris SIngleton
19: Nikola Vucevic

I can live with that draft.

Interesting he has Minny taking both Williams and Singler. I think some guys in his mock can be mixed up here and there, but for the most part it seems to be pretty on base. I do think there is a good chance that Kemba slides past the Kings and the Pistons have apparently had A LOT of interest in Tristan Thompson. I think I would rather a Singelton/Vucevic draft to drafting kemba at 9...but either way I wouldn't be too terribly upset. Still would rather Klay Thompson to Singleton.

ammofan · Post #871 » by **ammofan** » Sun Jun 19, 2011 3:49 pm

bobcats3wallace wrote:Rick Bonnel has released his mock draft:

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/0 ... draft.html

9: Chris SIngleton
19: Nikola Vucevic

I can live with that draft.

Interesting he has Minny taking both Williams and Singler. I think some guys in his mock can be mixed up here and there, but for the most part it seems to be pretty on base. I do think there is a good chance that Kemba slides past the Kings and the Pistons have apparently had A LOT of interest in Tristan Thompson. I think I would rather a Singelton/Vucevic draft to drafting kemba at 9...but either way I wouldn't be too terribly upset. Still would rather Klay Thompson to Singleton.

I dont really believe anything Rick says so his mock draft does nothing for me lol. I just dont see Kawhi going #8 to DET. If he drops that far, he drops to 9 and we take him.

bobcats3wallace · Post #872 » by **bobcats3wallace** » Sun Jun 19, 2011 4:09 pm

Agreed. I don't see Detroit taking Kawhi either, but Prince is a free agent so they do have a hole. I'm not sure who else they would be seriously interested in if Kemba is off the board. They really like Tristan Thompson, so that could be the pick, but they already are giving a lot of money to Charlie V. I think it's safe to say we are in a better position than them...

JMAC3 · Post #873 » by **JMAC3** » Sun Jun 19, 2011 5:21 pm

I think Singleton will be a solid starter in this league, but I just think we are awful team for him. I would rather have Dante then him at this point. I am not saying his offense wont improve because he defiantly has the body to be a force on that end if he can put it all together. Also I think his defense is a bit overrated, I just do not think a defensive stopper is worth a top 10 pick and I am not sure that is what Singleton is. I would pass if I were the Bobcats.

I am against drafting any type of Power Forward this year because we are stacked there. Sorry Tristian Thompson, Both Twins, and Faried.

As far as Centers go I think if one falls to 19 that we like we should grab him. Vucevic, Motiejunas, and Tyler are all options here and I like them in that order. I am not impressed with Tyler and would pass on him at 19, but if he were there at 39th then I would snag him.

I would try and walk away from the draft with two wing players that can be part of the rotation from day one. Klay Thompson and Jordan Hamilton would be a nice combination.

JMAC3 · Post #874 » by **JMAC3** » Sun Jun 19, 2011 5:30 pm

What do you guys think about this trade with the Kings.

Kings receive- DJ Augustin and 9th Pick

Bobcats receive- Jason Thompson and 7th Pick

Bobcats take Kemba with 7th pick.

Kings take Kawhi with 9th pick.

It seems pretty even for both teams. We get a center at a descent price and get the Point Guard Jordan wants.

Kings get a point guard who fits next to Tyreke better and get a SF in Leonard while only giving up some big man depth.

Maybe we get there second round pick too.

Post #875 » by **fatlever** » Sun Jun 19, 2011 5:48 pm

who would you want at 39 out of these players?

nolan smith g duke
josh shelby g kansas
jimmy butler f marquette
jordan williams pf/c maryland
keith benson pf/c oakland
jeremy tyler c international
malcom lee sg ucla
norris cole pg cleveland st
shelvin mack pg butler
jajuan johnson pf/c purdue

who else would you want?

i am intrigued by norris cole. i like the experience of mack and nolan. i like the story and character of butler. i like the size of benson. and i like the upside of tyler and shelby.

SWedd523 · Post #876 » by **SWedd523** » Sun Jun 19, 2011 5:55 pm

my 2nd round wish list:

1. Goudelock
2. JaJuan
3. Nolan Smith
4. Hansbrough
5. Norris Cole

bobcats3wallace · Post #877 » by **bobcats3wallace** » Sun Jun 19, 2011 6:13 pm

SWEDD523 wrote:my 2nd round wish list:

1. Goudelock
2. JaJuan
3. Nolan Smith
4. Hansbrough
5. Norris Cole

I really like Jajuan and Hansborough as well. Another guy I like is David Lighty. But either way, there are some pretty good names that should still be there at 39. At least guys that could potentially be rotation players...which is all you could hope for form a 2nd round pick.

ammofan · Post #878 » by **ammofan** » Sun Jun 19, 2011 6:20 pm

If Selby is there I would probably take a shot at him in round 2. He has LOADS of potential, and he just needs a chance and someone to pump confidence into him. Silas would do wonders for him.

Norris Cole would be really great too.

Bassman · Post #879 » by **Bassman** » Sun Jun 19, 2011 7:33 pm

JMAC3 wrote:What do you guys think about this trade with the Kings.

Kings receive- DJ Augustin and 9th Pick

Bobcats receive- Jason Thompson and 7th Pick

Bobcats take Kemba with 7th pick.

Kings take Kawhi with 9th pick.

It seems pretty even for both teams. We get a center at a descent price and get the Point Guard Jordan wants.

Kings get a point guard who fits next to Tyreke better and get a SF in Leonard while only giving up some big man depth.

Maybe we get there second round pick too.

I am no great fan of DJ, but giving him up with 9 for Thompson and 7 is a tad too much. Mostly because I am not convinced Jason is good enough to play the 5 well. I like the guy but he's got limited upside. If they threw in their 2nd rounder I might pull that trigger. Kemba has a higher ceiling than DJ, so even as a rookie I'd love to swap DJ out for him. But if the Kings want a PG wouldn't they rather just draft Kemba than GIVE away Thompson to get DJ?

ohara · Post #880 » by **ohara** » Sun Jun 19, 2011 7:38 pm

fatlever wrote:who would you want at 39 out of these players?

nolan smith g duke
josh shelby g kansas
jimmy butler f marquette
jordan williams pf/c maryland
keith benson pf/c oakland
jeremy tyler c international
malcom lee sg ucla
norris cole pg cleveland st
shelvin mack pg butler
jajuan johnson pf/c purdue

who else would you want?

i am intrigued by norris cole. i like the experience of mack and nolan. i like the story and character of butler. i like the size of benson. and i like the upside of tyler and shelby.

Jeremy Tyler first, Norris Cole 2nd preference