Not In The Face - The Jeremy Lin Thread 3 + 1

[spaceballer]

He's taking off-season training tips from Naruto

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Loveforlife0323/status/740297191571390465[/tweet]
https://twitter.com/Loveforlife0323/status/740297191571390465

[spaceballer]

Reddit thread on his opt-out is over a thousand comments already, and that's not counting the four duplicate threads in various team subreddits such as the Hornets'.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/4mzqm4/jeremy_lin_declines_player_option_officially/

[BlackOutBuzz]

as BWS pointed out, sounds like the Internet may have jumped the gun on the Lin news.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/EricPincus/status/740233152853999617[/tweet]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/EricPincus/status/740234684760625152[/tweet]

it will still happen regardless.

Yeah it kinda felt like this may have been fabricated for clicks. Sure, he's probably gonna opt out, but there's been no other source on it and there's really no reason for him to do it just yet. Seems like they wanted to get ahead of the game, "reporting" something that will obviously happen about a player that is sure to generate clicks.

I also had to laugh that Lin fans in that tweet thread have a literal countdown clock for when Lin can opt out.

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[spaceballer]

as BWS pointed out, sounds like the Internet may have jumped the gun on the Lin news.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/EricPincus/status/740233152853999617[/tweet]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/EricPincus/status/740234684760625152[/tweet]

it will still happen regardless.

Yeah it kinda felt like this may have been fabricated for clicks. Sure, he's probably gonna opt out, but there's been no other source on it and there's really no reason for him to do it just yet. Seems like they wanted to get ahead of the game, "reporting" something that will obviously happen about a player that is sure to generate clicks.

I also had to laugh that Lin fans in that tweet thread have a literal countdown clock for when Lin can opt out.

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I believe it used to be a countdown to the next Hornets game. But since they ran out of Hornets games when the playoff run ended, they had to replace it with something. And now that the opt-out has supposedly occurred, they've replaced it with a Taiwan trip counter. And when the trip happens, I'm sure they'll find something else to plug into the countdown clock.

[ChokeFasncists]

He's taking off-season training tips from Naruto

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Loveforlife0323/status/740297191571390465[/tweet]
https://twitter.com/Loveforlife0323/status/740297191571390465

~lol~ It'd be nice if he could learn some tricks from Ninjas to evade defenders!

As for ourselves, we need to learn how to evade some posters. Ain't got no choice, gotta stop the feed to the LinTrolls like BigBob, RD, CondomSlave or BiasedFan, otherwise trolling be successful and threads get locked.

Anyways, so I guess Lin won't be holding onto his player's option, get even better under Cliff/Silas (is Silas staying?) and try to get a even bigger contract next offseason. Makes perfect sense; he did well enough.

Gonna be a really interesting offseason for MJ, Cho and JL; are Lee, Batum, Marvin and Lin gonna be retained? Or go after a center?

Don't screw up JL! It's your prime contract!

[yosemiteben]

Between Lee, Lin, Batum, and Marv, Lin is the one that is most easily replaceable IMO. I don't expect us to try too hard to retain him if he's shopping for a big deal.

[bws94]

as BWS pointed out, sounds like the Internet may have jumped the gun on the Lin news.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/EricPincus/status/740233152853999617[/tweet]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/EricPincus/status/740234684760625152[/tweet]

it will still happen regardless.

Yeah it kinda felt like this may have been fabricated for clicks. Sure, he's probably gonna opt out, but there's been no other source on it and there's really no reason for him to do it just yet. Seems like they wanted to get ahead of the game, "reporting" something that will obviously happen about a player that is sure to generate clicks.

I also had to laugh that Lin fans in that tweet thread have a literal countdown clock for when Lin can opt out.

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Lin's still a Hornet on his Facebook and twitter, lol.

[bws94]

Between Lee, Lin, Batum, and Marv, Lin is the one that is most easily replaceable IMO. I don't expect us to try too hard to retain him if he's shopping for a big deal.

Well, you're not that big on Lin then. I think Lin is the one with the most intangibles. Numbers aside, when the team needed someone to step up big and come through for them in big spots, Lin did it most, followed by Marv. I think then Lee and Batum is last. Lin isn't that easy to replace. Houston still hasn't replaced him.

We won 3 playoffs games where Lin was a huge contributor, a game against Spurs we had no right winning due to Lin going nuts, Boston Lin having an insane quarter, Cavs game with Kemba out Lin and MKG combining to upset the mighty Cavs. All big teams, all Lin stepping up. Not everyone, even with good stats, can do that. I actually like a JJ Barea for Lin, but he doesn't have Lin's D and height.

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[tweet]https://twitter.com/linfinity88/status/740387114076884992[/tweet]
https://twitter.com/linfinity88/status/740387114076884992

[BlackOutBuzz]

Between Lee, Lin, Batum, and Marv, Lin is the one that is most easily replaceable IMO. I don't expect us to try too hard to retain him if he's shopping for a big deal.

I'd argue Lee, but both fall behind Batum and Marvin. Though with Lee at least we have his Bird Rights, Lin will be tougher to keep since we don't and are basically limited to offering the MLE.

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[tweet]https://twitter.com/SantorinLoL/status/740321503384764416[/tweet]
https://twitter.com/SantorinLoL/status/740321503384764416

These E-Sports players have more twitter followers than NBA players like Cody Zeller or Lamb

[antique0o0]

Between Lee, Lin, Batum, and Marv, Lin is the one that is most easily replaceable IMO. I don't expect us to try too hard to retain him if he's shopping for a big deal.

No. For Hornets, Lee is the one that is most easily replaceable, especially MKG will be back next season.
Batum is necessary simply because Hornets franchise player Kemba Walker needs him.
Marvin and Lin, if Hornets cannot retain them, it's for sure that they're not going to find anyone who can replace them within the cap room.

[ChokeFasncists]

Between Lee, Lin, Batum, and Marv, Lin is the one that is most easily replaceable IMO. I don't expect us to try too hard to retain him if he's shopping for a big deal.

Well, all four can be argued as being replaceable tho.

Lee: if MKG is back healthy and has a corner three
Batum: teams won without him in the playoffs, yet to show his facilitating can be highly effective when it counts
Marv: Frank could be taking over the starting stretch four spot

Lin was up and down but he was arguably the most important player in the 6 most important wins of the past season.

But sure, since he plays the same position as Walker, paying him big doesn't make that much sense for the Hornets. I'd imagine he'll be "shopping for a big deal". It's his prime deal, after taking a severe paycut for a year.

[Snidely FC]

Between Lee, Lin, Batum, and Marv, Lin is the one that is most easily replaceable IMO. I don't expect us to try too hard to retain him if he's shopping for a big deal.

I get this in terms of salary requirements and replacing on court role. I just feel like Lin is value added with his ability to take a CHA franchise no media outlets pay any attention to and thrust the team into a worldwide spotlight. JLin is a priceless ambassador for the Hornets, a winner in life with a winning personality. If I'm MJ pondering a future where I can put Jumpman on the front of a jersey and Lin on the back I'd fight hard to keep him a Hornet.

[yosemiteben]

I think my big issue is that, purely as a backup PG, he wasn't great. His value came largely from his versatility as far as having the ability to start as needed (where he generally was more effective) and the ability to act as a combo guard to close out games (albeit generally without the ability to shoot from the perimeter). I don't think he closes out games next season absent injury, which diminishes that portion of his value.

MA has me thinking about cheaper PG options, and it just doesn't seem like a wise use of cap space to pay JLin much more than the MLE.

[Roy Tarpley]

Between Lee, Lin, Batum, and Marv, Lin is the one that is most easily replaceable IMO. I don't expect us to try too hard to retain him if he's shopping for a big deal.

Well, you're not that big on Lin then. I think Lin is the one with the most intangibles. Numbers aside, when the team needed someone to step up big and come through for them in big spots, Lin did it most, followed by Marv. I think then Lee and Batum is last. Lin isn't that easy to replace. Houston still hasn't replaced him.

We won 3 playoffs games where Lin was a huge contributor, a game against Spurs we had no right winning due to Lin going nuts, Boston Lin having an insane quarter, Cavs game with Kemba out Lin and MKG combining to upset the mighty Cavs. All big teams, all Lin stepping up. Not everyone, even with good stats, can do that. I actually like a JJ Barea for Lin, but he doesn't have Lin's D and height.

I agree with Yosemiteben that Lin is the most easily replaceable from a numbers standpoint. There are surely other backup PGs out there that can give you 41% FG and 33% 3PT and 20 minutes/game. There is, however, a "potential" and a set of intangibles that Lin has that is hard to replace. The ability to step up big in big games, the ability to be explosive when necessary, plus his character and team-focused mindset.

I think this is a moot point though because from a team standpoint, the Hornets need to lock down their starting SG and PF before thinking about backup Gs. The team simply cannot afford to give too much money to a backup G.

[13th Man]

Lin opting out doesn't mean that he has ruled out re-sign with the Hornets. Just means he wants more money AND the opportunity at exploring other options. That being said, If he commands 9-10M from other teams, I'm not sure if Charlotte would be willing to match that given his role and playing time here.

[qiantom]

I think the biggest obstacle to retaining Lin/Lee is actually Lamb unfortunately. You can offer either a bigger contract and a bigger role if Lamb's 7m were not there.

[rallydurham]

It's close to a 0% chance he returns to charlotte. They are estimating he will get 10-12m /yr now.

Not only is that a fairly gross overpay, but we don't have cap space for that and we already have lamb signed as our backup guard.

It makes zero sense to give kemba and batum big deals and have lamb locked up and waste our remaining space on any backup guard.

Lin doesn't have an opportunity to play a big enough role to be worth anywhere near $12m/yr as a hornet.

Even if he was miraculously able to raise his level of play to justify a big contract we don't have a need for him

[bws94]

Between Lee, Lin, Batum, and Marv, Lin is the one that is most easily replaceable IMO. I don't expect us to try too hard to retain him if he's shopping for a big deal.

Well, you're not that big on Lin then. I think Lin is the one with the most intangibles. Numbers aside, when the team needed someone to step up big and come through for them in big spots, Lin did it most, followed by Marv. I think then Lee and Batum is last. Lin isn't that easy to replace. Houston still hasn't replaced him.

We won 3 playoffs games where Lin was a huge contributor, a game against Spurs we had no right winning due to Lin going nuts, Boston Lin having an insane quarter, Cavs game with Kemba out Lin and MKG combining to upset the mighty Cavs. All big teams, all Lin stepping up. Not everyone, even with good stats, can do that. I actually like a JJ Barea for Lin, but he doesn't have Lin's D and height.

I agree with Yosemiteben that Lin is the most easily replaceable from a numbers standpoint. There are surely other backup PGs out there that can give you 41% FG and 33% 3PT and 20 minutes/game. There is, however, a "potential" and a set of intangibles that Lin has that is hard to replace. The ability to step up big in big games, the ability to be explosive when necessary, plus his character and team-focused mindset.

I think this is a moot point though because from a team standpoint, the Hornets need to lock down their starting SG and PF before thinking about backup Gs. The team simply cannot afford to give too much money to a backup G.

My argument would be Lin played the essential role of 3rd facilitator on the team. The thing with Lin is, he wasn't a back-up PG. He only played PG about 36 percent when he was on the floor. He was a 6th man combo guard. If you look at him as a backup PG you're missing out on the real function he had on this team. And that was to be a rotational guy and a huge insurance for when Batum couldn't play or play well. He almost always was able to contribute well with doing what it took, be it scoring, facilitating, being another slasher with Kemba, etc. and playing good D, to help the team win. It's not his point guard skills that were that noticeable, except maybe in the game against the Cavs Kemba was out, but his ability to step in and do so many things that helped that team win. And he did that during the playoffs in a big way, and helped get Clifford 3 wins.That is what is not easily replaceable. Seeing Lin as a "backup PG" is a mistake, that's not really the role he played on the team. And i'ts exactly that which is what the Houston Rockets hasn't replaced on their team. Lin was a similar combo guard off the bench his second season on Houston.

It's all well and good to say others can step in so Lin is not needed but why? We know what he can do. IMO, he should be the second most important FA to sign, and not for any MLE either. For real money. If possible. If it's impossible fine. But at least acknowledge the big part Lin played on the team last season. He was a really important piece of the puzzle, and only missed 3 or 4 games.