Bobcats Picks Discussion (#9, #19, #39)

Kembastockton · Post #881 » by **Kembastockton** » Sun Jun 19, 2011 9:23 pm

I think Singleton will be a solid starter in this league, but I just think we are awful team for him. I would rather have Dante then him at this point. I am not saying his offense wont improve because he defiantly has the body to be a force on that end if he can put it all together. Also I think his defense is a bit overrated, I just do not think a defensive stopper is worth a top 10 pick and I am not sure that is what Singleton is. I would pass if I were the Bobcats.

A defensive juggernaut is always a great fit for any team. Did you think that Gerald Wallace was a bad fit for us? Singleton will easily be as good of a player as Gerald if not better. He already seems to have a better jumper than Gerald did as a rookie. Dante is a tweener. The reason the Cats are not sure whether or not to extend him is because they are not sure what to do with him. If you think Singleton's defense is overrated then you obviously haven't seen him play. Against Duke Dude practically single handedly shut down not just Singler, but Duke's entire interior game. This kid is better than what they say about him on defense. He is every bit as active on defense as Biyombo.

Kings receive- DJ Augustin and 9th Pick

Bobcats receive- Jason Thompson and 7th Pick

I want no parts of Kemba Walker, and we do not need a four unless there is another trade in the works to get rid of Boris.

who would you want at 39 out of these players?

Josh Shelby
Goudeluck
Malcom Lee
JaJuan Johnson

JMAC3 · Post #882 » by **JMAC3** » Sun Jun 19, 2011 11:30 pm

Jason Thompson is 6-11 which in my book makes him a Center. The Reason the Kings would want to make this deal is that they fill two spots instead of one. They have a surplus of bigmen, but no wings. If they could match DJ with Reke that would be better than matching Kemba with Reke because DJ can spot up off Evans penetration. Kemba and Tyreke are too much alike to play together effectively. With the 9th pick they would be free to grab a SF like Leonard to round out there starting 5. Same can go for us we upgrade PG and still get a Center in one pick. I like DJ, but I am saying if Jordan wants Kemba this is a deal that works to our advantage. Then Grab Hamilton at 19.

Marvel · Post #883 » by **Marvel** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 1:44 am

Best case scenario for Marshon would be to accept he's not a go to guy on offense. Nor a 2nd option. 3rd option, maybe after a few years of development, but i think he would best be served coming in molding himself after a player who he really reminds me of, Jason Richardson.

Rich4114 · Post #884 » by **Rich4114** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:50 am

fatlever wrote:who would you want at 39 out of these players?

nolan smith g duke
josh shelby g kansas
jimmy butler f marquette
jordan williams pf/c maryland
keith benson pf/c oakland
jeremy tyler c international
malcom lee sg ucla
norris cole pg cleveland st
shelvin mack pg butler
jajuan johnson pf/c purdue

who else would you want?

i am intrigued by norris cole. i like the experience of mack and nolan. i like the story and character of butler. i like the size of benson. and i like the upside of tyler and shelby.

I would take a shot on Tyler. If he ends up being what he was supposed to be then it's a freaking steal. 2nd rounders give you sooooo much room to take a big chance because if it doesn't work out - it's non-guaranteed anyway.

Badd_Intentions · Post #885 » by **Badd_Intentions** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:56 am

I like Landry Fields, but he seems like a glue guy to me. We need someone that will be able to shoulder a good share of the scoring load. I don't think Fields is that guy.

I love Singleton and think he'll be a factor in the NBA but we desperately need someone that can score points.

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #886 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:02 am

Raps fan here...

In a word, if Kemba Walker is on the board at 9, do the Bobcats take him?

SWedd523 · Post #887 » by **SWedd523** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:16 am

Probably.

But only (hopefully) to trade him.

ohara · Post #888 » by **ohara** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 11:29 am

SWEDD523 wrote:Probably.

But only (hopefully) to trade him.

Agreed. I think MJ would want him, but I think that they would dangle both Kemba and DJ and see what offers they get. I can see MJ wanting Kemba and trading DJ as easily as I see him wanting DJ and trying to trade Kemba. I think if he got similar offers or each, my feeling is he would want to keep Kemba. Not saying that is what I would do, but I think that is what MJ would do. I have no idea what Silas or Cho would recommend to him.

Bassman · Post #889 » by **Bassman** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 12:28 pm

ohara wrote:
SWEDD523 wrote:Probably.

But only (hopefully) to trade him.

Agreed. I think MJ would want him, but I think that they would dangle both Kemba and DJ and see what offers they get. I can see MJ wanting Kemba and trading DJ as easily as I see him wanting DJ and trying to trade Kemba. I think if he got similar offers or each, my feeling is he would want to keep Kemba. Not saying that is what I would do, but I think that is what MJ would do. I have no idea what Silas or Cho would recommend to him.

I would bet a lot on MJ taking Kemba if he is available at 9 and dealing DJ. Kemba has caught Jordan's eye...because he see's the warrior in him that DJ is not. Augustin was Larry's pick...he demanded they take DJ over Lopez. While he improved, he is still an uneven player and NOT a leader. I am not making any pronouncements on Walker, but he is a fearless player who looks like he could bring a leader's command to a team. Again I say...if Kemba is available at 9 he's a Bobcat.

countryboi · Post #890 » by **countryboi** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 12:45 pm

aint no shame in keeping DJ and kemba and letting kemba be the spark off the bench...its not like we dont need the scoring

Post #891 » by **BigSlam** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 12:47 pm

You think that MJ would trade the still young PG with considerable upside who the coach has already said he would prefer because he "knows him" and who is a member of Team Jordan in favor of a Raymond Felton type "PG" - a PG that MJ was happy to let walk during his FA period?

Post #892 » by **BigSlam** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 12:48 pm

countryboi wrote:aint no shame in keeping DJ and kemba and letting kemba be the spark off the bench...its not like we dont need the scoring

^^^^^^I agree with this.

bobcats3wallace · Post #893 » by **bobcats3wallace** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 1:53 pm

BigSlam wrote:
countryboi wrote:aint no shame in keeping DJ and kemba and letting kemba be the spark off the bench...its not like we dont need the scoring

^^^^^^I agree with this.

And I guess in that scenario you could use Livingston as more of a 2 guard with Kemba off the bench to take advantage of that killer mid-range shot.

You know MJ would take Kemba if he is available. I don't think that you can really compare Kemba to Felton though. Kemba is a much greater scorer and can do it in a wider variety of ways. Anyway, what do you think we could get for DJ? Any chance we could trade back into the late lottery to draft Singleton or Klay Thompson? Probably DJ for the 12th pick is the best we could do, I don't see any other teams really jumping on DJ.

Bottom line though, I don't think that Kemba will make it past Detroit at 8 if he even slipped that far. Kemba has as much a chance of falling to 9 as Kanter has, as it now appears Cleveland likes Valanciunas over Kanter at 4.

MrMorrow · Post #894 » by **MrMorrow** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:38 pm

If Kawhi Leonard falls to #9, is the Front Office smart enough to pick him?

ohara · Post #895 » by **ohara** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:36 pm

This morning, Chad Ford article says several teams are trying to trade up ahead of Utah at #12 in order to grab Jimmer. So Charlotte may be in a very good spot for trading #9 for a King's ransom. NY is one of the teams mentioned.

Kembastockton · Post #896 » by **Kembastockton** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 5:08 pm

JMAC3 wrote:Jason Thompson is 6-11 which in my book makes him a Center. The Reason the Kings would want to make this deal is that they fill two spots instead of one. They have a surplus of bigmen, but no wings. If they could match DJ with Reke that would be better than matching Kemba with Reke because DJ can spot up off Evans penetration. Kemba and Tyreke are too much alike to play together effectively. With the 9th pick they would be free to grab a SF like Leonard to round out there starting 5. Same can go for us we upgrade PG and still get a Center in one pick. I like DJ, but I am saying if Jordan wants Kemba this is a deal that works to our advantage. Then Grab Hamilton at 19.

Your book is fiction. There is a whole lot more to being an nba center than being 6'11. If the Kings want this deal they should find a third team to take Diaw.

Badd_Intentions wrote:I like Landry Fields, but he seems like a glue guy to me. We need someone that will be able to shoulder a good share of the scoring load. I don't think Fields is that guy.

I love Singleton and think he'll be a factor in the NBA but we desperately need someone that can score points.

I think Singleton's ability to score is greatly underestimated. He has size for his position. He has a jumper. The problem is his ability to score off the dribble. That he can learn. I really believe that this kid is going to suprise a lot of people regardless of where he plays.

BigSlam wrote:
You think that MJ would trade the still young PG with considerable upside who the coach has already said he would prefer because he "knows him" and who is a member of Team Jordan in favor of a Raymond Felton type "PG" - a PG that MJ was happy to let walk during his FA period?

Hopefully we would keep both, but if someone is willing to give us a lottery pick how can we say no? MJ was not happy to let Raymond walk. He refused to resign. The reason he was never traded was because they wanted to resign him.

hotrod · Post #897 » by **hotrod** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 5:43 pm

Sources say that the Charlotte Bobcats (9), Milwaukee Bucks (10) and Golden State Warriors (11) are also open to moving their pick. In this case the interest is all pretty specific. The Knicks, and a handful of other teams, are trying to get ahead of the Jazz. The target? BYU's Jimmer Fredette.

Chad Ford, ESPN (Insider)

bobcats3wallace · Post #898 » by **bobcats3wallace** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:07 pm

hotrod wrote:Sources say that the Charlotte Bobcats (9), Milwaukee Bucks (10) and Golden State Warriors (11) are also open to moving their pick. In this case the interest is all pretty specific. The Knicks, and a handful of other teams, are trying to get ahead of the Jazz. The target? BYU's Jimmer Fredette.

Chad Ford, ESPN (Insider)

Bring it on. This is the absolute PERFECT draft to allow one team to be dumb enough to give up talent to trade up for one singular player while we take advantage of the drafts great depth. I have full confidence in Cho pulling the RIGHT deal for this team as it looks to add more assets going forward. The one question I have is if it is the Knicks then what would they trade? They own the 17th pick. Which if we got we could most likely get Jordan Hamilton, however, certainly we would get more. What would that be? A future first?

Worst case for us is that Biyumbo goes to the Raps at 5 and Jimmer goes to Sac town at 7 with Kemba going 8 to Detroit. While that would likely leave us Leonard, a solid consolation prize, it would take almost all trade up scenarios off the table for us. I'm also not convinced Leonard is the right guy to put next to Hendo. Although Leonard has been said to be a superior defender to Singleton and has a superior offensive game as well. So between the two, I would be more than happy to take Leonard. Can't wait for this draft to get here!

Post #899 » by **BigSlam** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:59 pm

DX has their latest mock posted (now with improved, coloured team logo's!!).

#9 - Kawhi
#19 - Hamilton
#39 - JaJuan

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2011/

Downtown · Post #900 » by **Downtown** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 7:27 pm

I think that the top pointguards will be gone by #9. May as well stick with DJ and Livingston.

I like Marcus Morris at #9. I'm not listening to him when he recently said he is the most complete player in the draft, but I do think he has more polish and savvy to his game than alot of prospects this year. If he can indeed play small forward fulltime( that's the key) then I think he could be a contributor next season, as good as anyone else that is projected at #9 or below.

I also like Jordan Hamilton at #19. Again, he's polished at what he does, which is scoring.

If Cho could trade Jackson for a center(Sacramento comes to mind with Dalembert and Whiteside, or Jason Thompson), plus lose some salary in the process, then having Morris at small forward, with Hamilton as the sixth man for now at both small forward and shooting guard for bench scoring, then I think it begins your team on it's path to moving up the ladder and reshaping the team to Paul Silas' liking.

Augustin/Livingston
Henderson?Hamilton
Morris/Hamilton
Diaw/Thomas
Dalembert/ whoever
plus the rest of the bench