2013 NBA draft prospects chatter

TheKingofSting · Post #881 » by **TheKingofSting** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 4:58 am

Noel struggled on offense and at the FT Line but did have 12 Blk and 7 boards.

catch20two · Post #882 » by **catch20two** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:05 am

Nerlens Noel had 12 blocks tonight

...but 2 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assist, and 1 steal

catch20two · Post #883 » by **catch20two** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:08 am

Anthony Bennett vs Nevada - 13 points (5 for 11 shooting), 9 rebounds, and 1 block

vorbis · Post #884 » by **vorbis** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:10 am

i have watched extensive highlights of (i think) 3 games by mclemore. tell me, is there anything about his game that makes him more of a player than say a jason richardson?

catch20two · Post #885 » by **catch20two** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:18 am

vorbis wrote:i have watched extensive highlights of (i think) 3 games by mclemore. tell me, is there anything about his game that makes him more of a player than say a jason richardson?

Not really but I'll wait until March Madness when the stakes are win or go home to see how he handles moments where he'll be expected to take on a bigger offensive load as the aggressor before I pass judgement.

MasterIchiro · Post #886 » by **MasterIchiro** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:21 am

Jason Richardson in his best year shot .446 and .384 and averaged 23.2 PPG.

And McLemore's 3-pt stroke is J-Rich's wet dream. It will be there from day one and every year he plays in the league - it will be there. It is an NBA sharp-shooter 3-pt shot with a quick trigger to boot. His form is so advanced it's not even in the same stratosphere as J-Rich's.

Ben McLemore just needs to stay hungry (not for pizza and coke) and he'll have a sparkling career.

Eoghan · Post #887 » by **Eoghan** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:38 am

vorbis wrote:i have watched extensive highlights of (i think) 3 games by mclemore. tell me, is there anything about his game that makes him more of a player than say a jason richardson?

I don't think he's nearly the ball stopper that J-Rich was. He's got a better feel for the game, looks for others, doesn't force shots. He might not be the athlete (or as big) but I don't think it's off-base to say he's more of a player.

catch20two wrote:Anthony Bennett vs Nevada - 13 points (5 for 11 shooting), 9 rebounds, and 1 block

I'll add that he was much more engaged on defense tonight. Still, you can definitely tell that his motor just runs higher on offense. I wish UNLV had a decent pg, teams are starting to concentrate their defense on Bennett.

SWedd523 wrote:I hate Kyle Wiltjer. I don't know why, but I just can't stand him.

Anyway, I doubt anybody cares, but my boy PJ Hairston has been stepping his game up in the past couple of weeks for a Carolina team that desperately needs an alpha. He's recently put up 23, 15, 19, and 14 (so far tonight) points.

6'5'' with long arms and a strong body, great athlete, some PG ability, and he's finally showing his long range ability after a Freshman season where he struggled with a ton of injuries. Not necessarily playing like the star I expected him to be, but he still has plenty of time

Lol, Kyle Wiltjer reminds me of that aqua guy from the Hellboy movies. Can't believe you're hatin' on the poor man's Keith Van Horn.

And if PJ Hairston is anybody's boy, he's probably mine since Dudley is practically in my backyard. The thing about PJ is that he absolutely falls in love with his jumper to a fault and he's streaky to boot. If he could reign in his shot selection and develop a midrange game, he could absolutely play in the NBA but at this point you'd have better luck turning a ho into a housewife.

TheKingofSting · Post #888 » by **TheKingofSting** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:42 am

BrotherDave wrote:
vorbis wrote:i have watched extensive highlights of (i think) 3 games by mclemore. tell me, is there anything about his game that makes him more of a player than say a jason richardson?

I don't think he's nearly the ball stopper that J-Rich was. He's got a better feel for the game, looks for others, doesn't force shots. He might not be the athlete (or as big) but I don't think it's off-base to say he's more of a player.

More efficient

Hopefully P.J. Hairston is alright while we are on the subject of him. Scary injury!

JMAC3 · Post #889 » by **JMAC3** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:54 am

vorbis wrote:i have watched extensive highlights of (i think) 3 games by mclemore. tell me, is there anything about his game that makes him more of a player than say a jason richardson?

His game right now does kind of have a Jason Richardson style in the fact that he has a good outside shot and is very athletic for the 2 guard spot. This is a good thing because I think that is closer to his floor rather then his ceiling. He already has a better shot selection and a better defender than J-Rich was and I think he will continue to work on other parts of his game. A J-Rich floor with a Prime Ray Allen ceiling sounds good to me.

TheKingofSting · Post #890 » by **TheKingofSting** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:58 am

JMAC3 wrote:
vorbis wrote:i have watched extensive highlights of (i think) 3 games by mclemore. tell me, is there anything about his game that makes him more of a player than say a jason richardson?

His game right now does kind of have a Jason Richardson style in the fact that he has a good outside shot and is very athletic for the 2 guard spot. This is a good thing because I think that is closer to his floor rather then his ceiling. He already has a better shot selection and a better defender than J-Rich was and I think he will continue to work on other parts of his game. A J-Rich floor with a Prime Ray Allen ceiling sounds good to me.

I see his ceiling as more Prime Ray Allen meets Dwyane Wade.

Kembastockton · Post #891 » by **Kembastockton** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:05 pm

And McLemore's 3-pt stroke is J-Rich's wet dream. It will be there from day one and every year he plays in the league - it will be there. It is an NBA sharp-shooter 3-pt shot with a quick trigger to boot. His form is so advanced it's not even in the same stratosphere as J-Rich's.

While Ben is currently number one on my wishlist let's keep something in mind before we go handing him the Allstar weekend three point trophy. Keep in mind that the college three point line is three feet shorter than the nba. His three point shooting will likely carry over, but there is no guaruntee with nba defenders in his face.

Post #892 » by **fatlever** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:26 pm

mclemore = prime ray allen meets wade? seriously? are you guys hearing yourselves? if you combined ray allen and wade into one player you would have the greatest shooting guard ever or at the very least someone near the level of kobe and jordan.

catch20two · Post #893 » by **catch20two** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:29 pm

fatlever wrote:mclemore = prime ray allen meets wade? seriously? are you guys hearing yourselves? if you combined ray allen and wade into one player you would have the greatest shooting guard ever or at the very least someone near the level of kobe and jordan.

They're selling themselves a dream. McLemore nor any other upcoming draft prospect has sold me on them being anything special in the NBA yet except Noel as a defensive stalwart.

dmutombo321 · Post #894 » by **dmutombo321** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 4:27 pm

^^ I love the draft almost as much as I love the playoffs. Look forward to it every summer.

Leading up to the draft each year though, there are fans so eager for their team to improve that they get quasi delusional and the over-rating of prospects borders on absurd.

Last year it was Bradley Beal is going to be the next Wade, the previous year it was Biyombo has Dwight Howard potential.

Those comparisons look silly now.

Hell, I can remember arguing with a number of posters back in the summer of 2004 who were convinced Okafor was going to be the second coming of Alonzo Mourning. Fats, myself and two other posters maintained that a Buck Williams type career was a more appropriate projection and although we were the pessimists, comparatively speaking, Okafor failed to even achieve Williams’ level of production throughout his career.

Mclemore will be a fine player. He’s my vote to take #1. But he projects to be a Ray Allen Lite type of player. Shabazz could have a Stackhouse like impact and Noel’s ceiling is that of a young Marcus Camby.

If I’m Cho and I draw #1, I go ahead and take Mclemore to shore up the 2 guard spot. If I draw anything else, I examine trading some combination of MKG, Biyombo and the pick for young size.

As I’ve said before, this team should be looking hard at making inquiries on someone like Kanter. IMO, expensive older FA’s like Al Jefferson are the pieces a team adds once they’ve established their youth core and are prepared to make a playoff run and Charlotte is still another season and Parker/Wiggins type player away.

SWedd523 · Post #895 » by **SWedd523** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 4:38 pm

BrotherDave wrote:
SWedd523 wrote:I hate Kyle Wiltjer. I don't know why, but I just can't stand him.

Lol, Kyle Wiltjer reminds me of that aqua guy from the Hellboy movies. Can't believe you're hatin' on the poor man's Keith Van Horn.

I should be happy every time a fellow white boy has a big night but there is just something about him.

There is no way any team with pride in their defense would allow his slow, unathletic ass to go off for 25+.

Post #896 » by **fatlever** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:02 pm

i am surprised more of you arent talking about the 12 blocks from noel last night. 1 fg attempt and 2-8 from the line is troubling.

until i see more from mclemore and shabazz, noel is probably top on my draft board, simply because we desperately need help up front. it would kill me to spend another high pick on a raw defensive player who cant score, but we shouldnt let past drafts dictate where we go with this pick. we need to start collecting bigs in the draft unless there is a no-brainer wing or guard available.

Liver_Pooty · Post #897 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:15 pm

Kemba2Hendo wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:
vorbis wrote:i have watched extensive highlights of (i think) 3 games by mclemore. tell me, is there anything about his game that makes him more of a player than say a jason richardson?

His game right now does kind of have a Jason Richardson style in the fact that he has a good outside shot and is very athletic for the 2 guard spot. This is a good thing because I think that is closer to his floor rather then his ceiling. He already has a better shot selection and a better defender than J-Rich was and I think he will continue to work on other parts of his game. A J-Rich floor with a Prime Ray Allen ceiling sounds good to me.

I see his ceiling as more Prime Ray Allen meets Dwyane Wade.

You made this exact comparison with Beal 24,513 times last off season.

penquin11 · Post #898 » by **penquin11** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:46 pm

catch20two wrote:
fatlever wrote:mclemore = prime ray allen meets wade? seriously? are you guys hearing yourselves? if you combined ray allen and wade into one player you would have the greatest shooting guard ever or at the very least someone near the level of kobe and jordan.

They're selling themselves a dream. McLemore nor any other upcoming draft prospect has sold me on them being anything special in the NBA yet except Noel as a defensive stalwart.

Im not even really sure how you managed to sell yourself on Noel.... Sure he can block shots but he doesn't exactly have to face great post-playing bigmen on a nightly basis in the NCAA. He isn't a great rebounder and I'm not sure he will be quite the post defender in the NBA that he is in the NCAA.

McLemore definitely isn't the superman that people are making him out to be in this thread. I believe he is a better prospect then Jeremy Lamb or Brady Beal, but Im not going to say that he is the next Ray Allen as of now. McLemore is a great player, but most of his drives are straight-line drives that don't involve many changes in direction or advanced ball-handling skills. In college this isn't a problem, and it really isn't such a glaring defect in his game that it makes me wonder if he will end up being like Hendo (who really needed to improve his handles when he came out of college) especially given his great range and shooting ability- two features that will mask the majority of his problems.

catch20two · Post #899 » by **catch20two** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:54 pm

penquin11 wrote:Im not even really sure how you managed to sell yourself on Noel.... Sure he can block shots but he doesn't exactly have to face great post-playing bigmen on a nightly basis in the NCAA. He isn't a great rebounder and I'm not sure he will be quite the post defender in the NBA that he is in the NCAA.

Nerlens Noel is on track to break both Anthony Davis' single season block record and Rajon Rondo's single season steals record this year.

I'm sold.

Noel still has some ways to go as a man-to-man defender but the numbers don't lie. He's a defensive force not to be reckoned with. Probably the most important thing to consider in the mist of all his defensive production is that he's barely ever in foul trouble. Noel is the only player in NCAA basketball history to average over 4 blocks and 2 steals (dating back to 1998 http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla ... by=year_id) .

Badd_Intentions · Post #900 » by **Badd_Intentions** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:14 am

fatlever wrote:i am surprised more of you arent talking about the 12 blocks from noel last night. 1 fg attempt and 2-8 from the line is troubling.

until i see more from mclemore and shabazz, noel is probably top on my draft board, simply because we desperately need help up front. it would kill me to spend another high pick on a raw defensive player who cant score, but we shouldnt let past drafts dictate where we go with this pick. we need to start collecting bigs in the draft unless there is a no-brainer wing or guard available.

Impressive effort on defense from him.....I have them 1, 2, and 3 at the moment. Bazz, BM, and Noel in that order as of now. I love everything Noel does on defense, but how will he project offensively in the NBA? Does he have at least 1 go to post move in his arsenal? I know we desperately need bigs, but we need bigs that can score. With that being said still wouldn't be mad at him b/c he has DPOY potential and seemingly has a pretty good motor.

MacClemore, great shooting, great athlete, potential to be good defensively, but how is he at scoring and ball handling? Can he put the ball on the floor and beat a decent defender off the dribble and score or get fouled? Will he be much more than a spot up shooter?

Bazz, is not a good a spot up shooter as Mac, but a much more natural scorer and attacker. He strikes me as the type that will draw lots of foul calls in the NBA, has a nice body for the position, and is fearless. I just think we need someone that is a pure scorer. Would love to pair him up with MKG.

Who knows, i'm sure this will change as the season plays itself out.