The Trade Thread

KembaWalker · Post #901 » by **KembaWalker** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:55 pm

i dont see the incentive for us to take on pau gasol for gordon, cap space, and especially a pick. Ben Gordon is pretty much better than Gasol at this point and younger, plus a wet dream fit for D'Antoni. they have no leverage on us because we have the luxury of not really giving a **** about winning at the moment. I'd do the swap but I think its pretty much fair for both sides straight up all things considered. they are desperate, we arent in regards to giving up picks to take on washed up mega contracts for a guy who most likely doesnt even want to come here.

catch20two · Post #902 » by **catch20two** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:59 pm

I can't imagine Pau Gasol playing more than 60 games total for us in the last 2 years of his contract in which I don't mind but it's only a good deal for us if it's Ben Gordon and Tyrus Thomas for Pau Gasol.

HornetJail · Post #903 » by **HornetJail** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:06 pm

KembaWalker wrote:i dont see the incentive for us to take on pau gasol for gordon, cap space, and especially a pick. Ben Gordon is pretty much better than Gasol at this point and younger, plus a wet dream fit for D'Antoni. they have no leverage on us because we have the luxury of not really giving a **** about winning at the moment. I'd do the swap but I think its pretty much fair for both sides straight up all things considered. they are desperate, we arent in regards to giving up picks to take on washed up mega contracts for a guy who most likely doesnt even want to come here.

Okay, for one thing, Gordon is nowhere near as good as Gasol and is only about two years younger. Gasol has looked horrible this season because he has no role in D'Antoni's system. Let's not forget this is the same player that probably deserved Finals MVP back in 2010, and has been a consistent 18/10 guy on a contender until this year. He'd average 18-20ppg for us without question. We could showcase him until the trade deadline, raise his value, and ship him off to OKC, who could give us young talent for him. Tell me that wouldn't be an ideal scenario.

At most, I'd offer LA: Gordon, Tyrus, and the Portland pick for Gasol and one of Clark or Meeks. Then at the deadline ship Gasol off to OKC with Hendo or Taylor for PJ3, Lamb, Perkins, Martin's exp, and Toronto's pick.

Radu_Hornets · Post #904 » by **Radu_Hornets** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:07 pm

catch20two wrote:I can't imagine Pau Gasol playing more than 60 games total for us in the last 2 years of his contract in which I don't mind but it's only a good deal for us if it's Ben Gordon and Tyrus Thomas for Pau Gasol.

Lakers would never undertake Thomas' contract...

catch20two · Post #905 » by **catch20two** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:27 pm

Radu_Bobcats wrote:
catch20two wrote:I can't imagine Pau Gasol playing more than 60 games total for us in the last 2 years of his contract in which I don't mind but it's only a good deal for us if it's Ben Gordon and Tyrus Thomas for Pau Gasol.

Lakers would never undertake Thomas' contract...

Then why should we undertake Gasol's contract? :-?

catch20two · Post #906 » by **catch20two** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:31 pm

Pau Gasol has been declining long before Mike D'Antoni. In fact, he hasn't been the same since rumors spread that Shannon Brown slept with his fiancee >>> http://blacksportsonline.com/home/2011/ ... ol-rumors/

Liver_Pooty · Post #907 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:35 pm

catch20two wrote:
Radu_Bobcats wrote:
catch20two wrote:I can't imagine Pau Gasol playing more than 60 games total for us in the last 2 years of his contract in which I don't mind but it's only a good deal for us if it's Ben Gordon and Tyrus Thomas for Pau Gasol.

Lakers would never undertake Thomas' contract...

Then why should we undertake Gasol's contract?

Gasols expires after next season.

Radu_Hornets · Post #908 » by **Radu_Hornets** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:44 pm

catch20two wrote:Gasols expires after next season.

Hum his last year Under contract is 2013-2014
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/la_lakers.htm

catch20two · Post #909 » by **catch20two** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:44 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:
catch20two wrote:
Radu_Bobcats wrote:Lakers would never undertake Thomas' contract...

Then why should we undertake Gasol's contract?

Gasols expires after next season.

Diop expires after this season.

Adding Pau Gasol, assuming that he actually plays games without milking injuries, will only make us a late to mid lottery team with no excitement and take us out of contention for a top 5 pick. Otherwise we should holdout on that deal and keep Ben Gordon who's expiring after next season like Gasol's and find a better trade partner than the Lakers next season that can offer us assets that we can actually use in the future.

Radu_Hornets · Post #910 » by **Radu_Hornets** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:46 pm

catch20two wrote:
Radu_Bobcats wrote:
catch20two wrote:I can't imagine Pau Gasol playing more than 60 games total for us in the last 2 years of his contract in which I don't mind but it's only a good deal for us if it's Ben Gordon and Tyrus Thomas for Pau Gasol.

Lakers would never undertake Thomas' contract...

Then why should we undertake Gasol's contract?

With Gasol in and Gordon out.
It will still bring the fact that Gasol would be the mentor of the team. He will be the only significant player that have a ring on the team. That really knows how the things work in the NBA. Mullens/Biyombo would learn a lot from him.

Without Gordon, that's 21 minutes that could be redistributed between the players. I particularly think at Jeff Taylor who needs more minutes if we want him to turn into a real shooter/Driver/Dunker.

And above all this, next year, Gasol will be a 19M expiring... Which could interest some teams.

catch20two · Post #911 » by **catch20two** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:47 pm

I wouldn't ever consider Pau Gasol as a mentor unless we had a slew of players on our roster from Spain.

catch20two · Post #912 » by **catch20two** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:51 pm

Radu_Bobcats wrote:And above all this, next year, Gasol will be a 19M expiring... Which could interest some teams.

Ben Gordon's $13 million expiring contract will be much more easier to move next season than Pau Gasol's.

Radu_Hornets · Post #913 » by **Radu_Hornets** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:58 pm

Ok then i suppose I'll just stop saying dummy things...

catch20two · Post #914 » by **catch20two** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:05 pm

Radu_Bobcats wrote:Ok then i suppose I'll just stop saying dummy things...

I'm not saying that you're saying dummy things. We're all friends here. I wouldn't mind taking on Pau Gasol but the Lakers are in a much more desperate state than we are. All I'm saying is that we shouldn't do the deal unless we get some added incentive like getting rid of Tyrus Thomas' contract for future cap relief. Otherwise it doesn't really benefit us.

Man Strength · Post #915 » by **Man Strength** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:45 pm

CHA_77_Bobcats wrote:Okay, for one thing, Gordon is nowhere near as good as Gasol and is only about two years younger. Gasol has looked horrible this season because he has no role in D'Antoni's system. Let's not forget this is the same player that probably deserved Finals MVP back in 2010, and has been a consistent 18/10 guy on a contender until this year. He'd average 18-20ppg for us without question. We could showcase him until the trade deadline, raise his value, and ship him off to OKC, who could give us young talent for him. Tell me that wouldn't be an ideal scenario.

At most, I'd offer LA: Gordon, Tyrus, and the Portland pick for Gasol and one of Clark or Meeks. Then at the deadline ship Gasol off to OKC with Hendo or Taylor for PJ3, Lamb, Perkins, Martin's exp, and Toronto's pick.

Why wouldnt the lakers and okc just do that deal this year then? The only reason i can think of is that LAL doesnt want to hand OKC the championship

FWIW Gasol for Martin, Lamb and Thabeet worked (or switch thabeet to PJ3).

from a salary cap or assets standpoint, there is no need for the bobs to get in the middle of that one.

HornetJail · Post #916 » by **HornetJail** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:51 pm

Man Strength wrote:from a salary cap or assets standpoint, there is no need for the bobs to get in the middle of that one.

You answered your own question.

Man Strength wrote:The only reason i can think of is that LAL doesnt want to hand OKC the championship

They're not going to get much for him. Better for the Lakers to gift him to us rather than a conference powerhouse. We'd do what we want with Gasol, raise his value till the all-star break and trade him. Right now I think OKC is the ideal target to get young talent that they'll probably end up raffling off for extra talent to win right now. No way would OKC turn down Gasol+ for Lamb, PJ3, Martin, and a pick. That's like a guaranteed title for them.

KembaWalker · Post #917 » by **KembaWalker** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:01 pm

I don't think rehabbing Gasols value is realistic. Ben Gordon is having a good season compared to his Pistons years and his value is hardly rehabbed. There just isn't much logic in giving up future value for Pau Gasol

SWedd523 · Post #918 » by **SWedd523** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:04 pm

I don't think Gasol has the ability or any sort of desire to be a mentor, much less to the likes of Byron Mullens and Bismack Biyombo.

He'll show up, say "ow my knees still hurt" and pout while he continues to collect his massive salary.

Man Strength · Post #919 » by **Man Strength** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:56 pm

one guy I would trade MKG for is Paul George. and Id throw in the port pick as a matter of fact.

gordon/mkg for george/granger

or 3 teamer
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bjh9pbf

gordon/mkg for george/bargnani

george is one of few players id happily trade mkg for.

catch20two · Post #920 » by **catch20two** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:07 pm

Man Strength wrote:one guy I would trade MKG for is Paul George. and Id throw in the port pick as a matter of fact.

gordon/mkg for george/granger

or 3 teamer
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bjh9pbf

gordon/mkg for george/bargnani

george is one of few players id happily trade mkg for.

I would have to kindly disagree. Paul George is a very talented player that has improved a lot over his 3 years in the NBA but I believe that MKG potentially has a higher ceiling. This topic is irrelevant anyway because the Pacers wouldn't be interested even if we included the Portland pick. They're happy with him as a cornerstone.