The Gordon Hayward Thread

Liver_Pooty · Post #901 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:52 am

JDR720 wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:Jesus freaking Christ

[tweet]https://twitter.com/DJJazzyJody/status/487024503306715136[/tweet]

yea i posted that earlier, i am mad about that, if they're gonna match it match it tomorrow dont make us wait 3 days, If they match it, we might not be getting anyone, Cho better have Lance on the phone and tell him to wait

Ah I missed it. I pray were not left with scraps.

Post #902 » by **yosemiteben** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:54 am

I say we offer them a second round pick if they decide in the first 12 hours.

ARHornet · Post #903 » by **ARHornet** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:57 am

Signing Hayward to an offer sheet was so unwise. Now we're stuck sitting around 3 days or more waiting on Utah to inevitably match the deal. We'll be sitting around twiddling our thumbs while the rest of the league is snatching up good players that we should be dealing with.

ARHornet · Post #904 » by **ARHornet** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:57 am

yosemiteben wrote:I say we offer them a second round pick if they decide in the first 12 hours.

Better than trading it for cash.

RichBoy923 · Post #905 » by **RichBoy923** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:58 am

ARHornet wrote:Signing Hayward to an offer sheet was so unwise. Now we're stuck sitting around 3 days or more waiting on Utah to inevitably match the deal. We'll be sitting around twiddling our thumbs while the rest of the league is snatching up good players that we should be dealing with.

But wouldn't that be the case with any RFA

chabber · Post #906 » by **chabber** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:59 am

T-minus 1 hour until we DECLARE WAR ON THE UTAH JAZZ!!

MalonesElbows · Post #907 » by **MalonesElbows** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:00 am

Flip Murray wrote:
MalonesElbows wrote:
Flip Murray wrote:All these sources in consensus that Utah will match makes me think they won't match

They will match. The luxury tax threshold will be like 80 million in 2017/2018. Hayward and Favors only would make up 29 of that. Exum will still be on his rookie deal that year. There is also the stretch provision under the new CBA the Jazz can use in that last year if the contract interferes with things.

I think Michael Kidd Gilchrist and a future first would be enough to let him walk. But more than likely Jordan will just take the money and give it to Lance. He might not be available in 4 days though.

We'll if they match we would be eternally grateful if they did it at 12:02. Obviously they won't because we jammed them up

They won't do Cho any favors trust me. They have a history with him when he was running Portland and offered a toxic deal to Millsap. The Jazz were able to keep Millsap, but the Miller's had to take out a loan, ultimately, it ended up being a wise choice.

HornetJail · Post #908 » by **HornetJail** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:00 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/rick_bonnell/status/487046983673065472[/tweet]

Well we had better get Lance Stephenson down here as soon as possible and get him to verbally agree to a contract now regardless of whether Hayward signs or not. Finding a taker for Henderson+Zeller or Henderson+Neal+pair of 2nds should not be hard at all given what some of these fools have been signing scrubs for. And if Hayward is in fact matched, then we've got the cap space anyway. He can agree in principle, just like any players who agreed in principle to a contract between July 1st and today.

Post #909 » by **JDR720** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:00 am

1 hour to go

Charlotte_____ · Post #910 » by **Charlotte_____** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:01 am

How do we know he knows everything? For all we know he's the Utah Jazz version of Bonnell

HornetJail · Post #911 » by **HornetJail** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:01 am

ARHornet wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:I say we offer them a second round pick if they decide in the first 12 hours.

Better than trading it for cash.

Yeah we'd probably end up doing that anyway, so Utah, you want a free pick?

ARHornet · Post #912 » by **ARHornet** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:02 am

RichBoy923 wrote:
ARHornet wrote:Signing Hayward to an offer sheet was so unwise. Now we're stuck sitting around 3 days or more waiting on Utah to inevitably match the deal. We'll be sitting around twiddling our thumbs while the rest of the league is snatching up good players that we should be dealing with.

But wouldn't that be the case with any RFA

Yes. But unless you believe there is a real chance that Utah is going to let Hayward go, why sign him? I guess Cho thinks that is a possibility. But every reporter/Jazz fan/Hornets fan out there is saying it isn't happening. So us signing him is puzzling to me. I don't see how we benefit unless Utah does what everyone and their brother is saying they won't do.

Flip Murray · Post #913 » by **Flip Murray** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:03 am

MalonesElbows wrote:
Flip Murray wrote:
MalonesElbows wrote:
They will match. The luxury tax threshold will be like 80 million in 2017/2018. Hayward and Favors only would make up 29 of that. Exum will still be on his rookie deal that year. There is also the stretch provision under the new CBA the Jazz can use in that last year if the contract interferes with things.

I think Michael Kidd Gilchrist and a future first would be enough to let him walk. But more than likely Jordan will just take the money and give it to Lance. He might not be available in 4 days though.

We'll if they match we would be eternally grateful if they did it at 12:02. Obviously they won't because we jammed them up

They won't do Cho any favors trust me. They have a history with him when he was running Portland and offered a toxic deal to Millsap. The Jazz were able to keep Millsap, but the Miller's had to take out a loan, ultimately, it ended up being a wise choice.

I definitely don't blame them

Elden Payton · Post #914 » by **Elden Payton** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:04 am

RichBoy923 wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:
GreenRiddler wrote:I think it would be dumb for the Jazz to match given the state of their franchise, they won't be able to trade for him. Y'all are done with the rebuild, he would work well with MKG on the wing, you just need a stretch 4.

I agree that it would be dumb for them to match, but it was dumb that we even offered it in the first place.

Hopefully Zeller or Vonleh can play that stretch four role for us going forward.

It's only dumb because we are handcuffed for 3 days. You're not going to acquire someone like Hayward as a RFA without overpaying.

It's dumb because Hayward has not proven that he is anywhere near worth what we offered him.

I don't want Lance, but at least he has proven that he can be an integral piece on a successful team.

Flip Murray · Post #915 » by **Flip Murray** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:06 am

What's the play here when we don't get any of the big targets?

RichBoy923 · Post #916 » by **RichBoy923** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:09 am

Sik Infant wrote:
RichBoy923 wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:
I agree that it would be dumb for them to match, but it was dumb that we even offered it in the first place.

Hopefully Zeller or Vonleh can play that stretch four role for us going forward.

It's only dumb because we are handcuffed for 3 days. You're not going to acquire someone like Hayward as a RFA without overpaying.

It's dumb because Hayward has not proven that he is anywhere near worth what we offered him.

I don't want Lance, but at least he has proven that he can be an integral piece on a successful team.

Well yeah if you don't like as a player then yes offering him a contract would be dumb, clearly.

LofJ · Post #917 » by **LofJ** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:10 am

Flip Murray wrote:What's the play here when we don't get any of the big targets?

Rodney Stuckey, Marvin Williams, and Brian Roberts.

Flip Murray · Post #918 » by **Flip Murray** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:14 am

If we lost out on mcboberts for that I might do something drastic

ARHornet · Post #919 » by **ARHornet** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:21 am

LofJ wrote:
Flip Murray wrote:What's the play here when we don't get any of the big targets?

Rodney Stuckey, Marvin Williams, and Brian Roberts.

Are we seriously considering Stuckey?

Goodness, this has turned into a terrible FA period.

LofJ · Post #920 » by **LofJ** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:26 am

ARHornet wrote:
LofJ wrote:
Flip Murray wrote:What's the play here when we don't get any of the big targets?

Rodney Stuckey, Marvin Williams, and Brian Roberts.

Are we seriously considering Stuckey?

Goodness, this has turned into a terrible FA period.

No, I just threw his name in there.