Ball Don't Lie: The LaMelo Ball Thread

[DY_nasty]

Yeah, people suggesting he get demoted to the G-League after his first game are the real big brains.

What does that have to do with dissing the entire board because of opinions expressed like 10 seasons ago, largely by posters who are no longer here? Bush league argument.

I also have no issue with the view that maybe run time in the G league would be good for Ball. I'm not pushing for it, but at some point it shouldn't be viewed as an insult to suggest that a 19 year old project (which is what Ball is) might improve by getting G league PT in addition to Hornets PT.

At some point the Hornets need to get off their collective asses as a staff and develop a player. I’ve read for years how Charlotte is where rookies’ careers go to die and they’re absolutely right. Donovan Mitchell would be just like Malik Monk in Cliff’s hands for a year. It’s no longer a valid excuse to say “oh we just picked the wrong player.” Maybe it’s not the players. Maybe the coaches can’t do their jobs and make players better.

its been
one
game

come on man

merry xmas

[yosemiteben]

Yeah, people suggesting he get demoted to the G-League after his first game are the real big brains.

What does that have to do with dissing the entire board because of opinions expressed like 10 seasons ago, largely by posters who are no longer here? Bush league argument.

I also have no issue with the view that maybe run time in the G league would be good for Ball. I'm not pushing for it, but at some point it shouldn't be viewed as an insult to suggest that a 19 year old project (which is what Ball is) might improve by getting G league PT in addition to Hornets PT.

At some point the Hornets need to get off their collective asses as a staff and develop a player. I’ve read for years how Charlotte is where rookies’ careers go to die and they’re absolutely right. Donovan Mitchell would be just like Malik Monk in Cliff’s hands for a year. It’s no longer a valid excuse to say “oh we just picked the wrong player.” Maybe it’s not the players. Maybe the coaches can’t do their jobs and make players better.

What year is this? Why are we talking about Mitchell and Cliff?

You do realize that Steve Clifford is not our coach, right? We have a completely different front office and coaching staff from what you are referring to.

[Robot Rock]

What does that have to do with dissing the entire board because of opinions expressed like 10 seasons ago, largely by posters who are no longer here? Bush league argument.

I also have no issue with the view that maybe run time in the G league would be good for Ball. I'm not pushing for it, but at some point it shouldn't be viewed as an insult to suggest that a 19 year old project (which is what Ball is) might improve by getting G league PT in addition to Hornets PT.

At some point the Hornets need to get off their collective asses as a staff and develop a player. I’ve read for years how Charlotte is where rookies’ careers go to die and they’re absolutely right. Donovan Mitchell would be just like Malik Monk in Cliff’s hands for a year. It’s no longer a valid excuse to say “oh we just picked the wrong player.” Maybe it’s not the players. Maybe the coaches can’t do their jobs and make players better.

What year is this? Why are we talking about Mitchell and Cliff?

You do realize that Steve Clifford is not our coach, right? We have a completely different front office and coaching staff from what you are referring to.

How can you possibly moderate this board for so long and still not understand my point is NOT that Cliff is still the coach, but that there is NO discernible difference between Cliff and JB in terms of developing young players? Unless of course you think the young players you and others constantly rag on have turned a corner in the 48 hours since you last ragged on them.

I mean, come on. I adore a good confrontation much more than the average person, but you’re picking a fight where there is no fight. If you couldn’t understand I wasn’t saying Cliff is still the coach, I genuinely can’t even have a debate with you.

[Robot Rock]

Larry Brown was terrible at making young players improve when he was here, so was Sam Mitchell, Bernie Bickerstaff, Cliff and definitely Silas Part II. At the risk of making my man think I believe Bernie Bickerstaff is still the coach, I’ll point out more clearly that Borrego hasn’t done much to differentiate himself from the coaches previously mentioned. Devonte Graham’s skills didn’t rise last year so much as his increased usage put the skills he already had on display. What leap did MKG/Cody/Hairston/Vonleh/Frank/Monk/Miles make exactly? Miles is the best of that group and he’s still not regarded very highly on here.

You can excuse it as “we always pick the wrong players” but whether the coach is JB or Dick Harter and whether the GM is Bob Bass or Mitch, it’s extremely valid to question if the rookies brought into this franchise are put in even a moderately questionable position to succeed (inb4 “you do realize Bob Bass was technically the GM of a different franchise”). If LaMelo can improve his shot and show his true potential here as opposed to after his rookie contract expires and he signs with the Lakers, it’ll prove that the PTB are truly an upgrade from their predecessors.

[yosemiteben]

At some point the Hornets need to get off their collective asses as a staff and develop a player. I’ve read for years how Charlotte is where rookies’ careers go to die and they’re absolutely right. Donovan Mitchell would be just like Malik Monk in Cliff’s hands for a year. It’s no longer a valid excuse to say “oh we just picked the wrong player.” Maybe it’s not the players. Maybe the coaches can’t do their jobs and make players better.

What year is this? Why are we talking about Mitchell and Cliff?

You do realize that Steve Clifford is not our coach, right? We have a completely different front office and coaching staff from what you are referring to.

How can you possibly moderate this board for so long and still not understand my point is NOT that Cliff is still the coach, but that there is NO discernible difference between Cliff and JB in terms of developing young players? Unless of course you think the young players you and others constantly rag on have turned a corner in the 48 hours since you last ragged on them.

I haven't ragged on Ball and don't get your antagonism here.

My personal view is that JB has done fine with development, I don't take this critique seriously. Graham broke out under JB, I like how he's using McDaniels and Cody Martin, Monk looked like he turned the corner last season until he got caught with cocaine or whatever, PJ looked solid last season...

Ball is super young, had a shortened preseason, no summer league, and is a project. JB has no responsibility for where he is right now. I think it's bizarre that you're criticizing our development while simultaneously getting upset at the suggestion of using our G league team to...you know...develop a player.

[Robot Rock]

What year is this? Why are we talking about Mitchell and Cliff?

You do realize that Steve Clifford is not our coach, right? We have a completely different front office and coaching staff from what you are referring to.

How can you possibly moderate this board for so long and still not understand my point is NOT that Cliff is still the coach, but that there is NO discernible difference between Cliff and JB in terms of developing young players? Unless of course you think the young players you and others constantly rag on have turned a corner in the 48 hours since you last ragged on them.

I haven't ragged on Ball and don't get your antagonism here.

My personal view is that JB has done fine with development, I don't take this critique seriously. Graham broke out under JB, I like how he's using McDaniels and Cody Martin, Monk looked like he turned the corner last season until he got caught with cocaine or whatever, PJ looked solid last season...

Ball is super young, had a shortened preseason, no summer league, and is a project. JB has no responsibility for where he is right now. I think it's bizarre that you're criticizing our development while simultaneously getting upset at the suggestion of using our G league team to...you know...develop a player.

Notice in my previous post that I didn’t list LaMelo among the people our coaches haven’t developed, because as I have said ad nauseam on here, no one can render even a slight verdict on him for a while. He’s not the target of this, he’s the next player I worry will not be developed by a coach following a line of coaches who didn’t develop players.

PJ looked good last year but you do realize he was a rookie, right? A player doesn’t make a leap as a rookie. I hope he will be the first and LaMelo will follow, but early returns have been lousy. McDaniels hasn’t done anything to deserve more than spot minutes at most and while I love the hustle and perimeter defense, the Martin twins are very overrated on here if there’s some implication they’re anything more than bit-part rotation players.

[Robot Rock]

The G-League is not the place for the third overall pick, and a high-profile, fantastic passer at that, to “develop.” He’s not going to learn a ton jacking up unlimited shots against trash players. He just left a pro league that doesn’t help any more or less than the *-League. Bacon could hang 40 or 50 on G-Leaguers, but he didn’t become one iota better when re-inserted into the lineup.

LaMelo Ball needs to learn the speed of the real NBA game and playing alongside and against cast-offs in Greensboro won’t help him learn that any quicker than shooting by himself in the gym.

[DY_nasty]

~one game~

[Robot Rock]

~one game~

Thanks, now try actually reading the thread.

[DY_nasty]

~one game~

Thanks, now try actually reading the thread.

Bro.

You are pulling your hair out on xmas arguing with people who literally aren't even tripping about lamelo playing bad for one game it went from cool discussion and concerns to irrational butthurt over nothing QUICK.

We're not even dumping on the guy for it. Its okay. Because he'll have good nights and bad ones and its a long season - one where every rookie is walking a rougher path than any other in history. And he didn't even have the worst game out everyone either. The majority of the team played trash and they all got called out last I checked.

He'll be aite. You'll be aite. We'll be aite.

[Robot Rock]

~one game~

Thanks, now try actually reading the thread.

Bro.

You are pulling your hair on xmas arguing with people who literally aren't even tripping about lamelo playing bad for one game

We're not even dumping on the guy for it. Its okay. Because he'll have good nights and bad ones and its a long season - one where every rookie is walking a rougher path than any other in history.

He'll be aite. You'll be aite. We'll be aite.

I need a haircut but I’m definitely not losing any hair over this. I hope you don’t think after reading, I guess, what I’ve said that I think in any way he’s gonna suck.

[DY_nasty]

now who's not reading

no one is condemning the kid to the shadow realm ffs

this is lin all over again lol

[Robot Rock]

now who's not reading

no one is condemning the kid to the shadow realm ffs

this is lin all over again lol

You miss our man saying he needs to go to the Boro then right?

[SWedd523]

now who's not reading

no one is condemning the kid to the shadow realm ffs

this is lin all over again lol

You miss our man saying he needs to go to the Boro then right?

I don't understand how you can take that as such a huge slight towards the kid.

All of the rookies need time on the floor. If he continues to play below replacement level, I don't see him getting big enough minutes to get too much done. If they have a few days off, and the Swarm have a game in there, why the hell not let him go down and play 40 minutes while whipping up on some guys?

I don't see how that could be bad for him

[Robot Rock]

now who's not reading

no one is condemning the kid to the shadow realm ffs

this is lin all over again lol

You miss our man saying he needs to go to the Boro then right?

I don't understand how you can take that as such a huge slight towards the kid.

All of the rookies need time on the floor. If he continues to play below replacement level, I don't see him getting big enough minutes to get too much done. If they have a few days off, and the Swarm have a game in there, why the hell not let him go down and play 40 minutes while whipping up on some guys?

I don't see how that could be bad for him

Sorry, I’ve already explained how it doesn’t benefit him.

[SWedd523]

You're right. extra playing time won't help him.

[DY_nasty]

maybe we don't panic nearly enough

why wait for game 2? why limit the wayback goggles to just clifford when we can talk about sam vincent too? lmao

sensational

[BigSlam]

Thanks, now try actually reading the thread.

Bro.

You are pulling your hair on xmas arguing with people who literally aren't even tripping about lamelo playing bad for one game

We're not even dumping on the guy for it. Its okay. Because he'll have good nights and bad ones and its a long season - one where every rookie is walking a rougher path than any other in history.

He'll be aite. You'll be aite. We'll be aite.

I need a haircut but I’m definitely not losing any hair over this.

And yet you’ve been banging on and on and on and on about LaMelo for 72 hours now, first blowing up the GT with some paranoia that everyone is out to get Melo except for you and then carrying on with it here.

If you think you’re not losing hair over this I’d hate to see how you act/react when you are losing hair over something.

Don’t worry - Lin’s going to be just fine.

Oops, sorry - I mean LaMelo’s going to be just fine.


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[Liver_Pooty]

Hes going to have a very, very rough rookie year.

And thats perfectly fine with me.

[amcoolio]

His effort was poor in the first game. Thats what got me. He did a lot of standing around on defense and offense when he didn't have the ball.

Maybe its nerves. But every other rookie in the top 10 besides Okongwu who's not playing have looked good so its like extra piling on