Fake Trade Thread #3

[Chapelchilla]

Get my boy Zubac to Hornets. He is drafted by Kupchak, being not used enough in La, and Clippers need player like Rozier. Rozier and Zeller for Zubac,Kabengele,Kennard and second. Luke is bad contract, but with Ball as pg he could get open shot and from Hayward also. Zu becomes Marc Gasol, which he have potential to be, Kabengele is Mutombo's nephew and Biyombo 3.0.

I've also thought of Biz and Graham for Zubac

sign me up for that too

[GiggitySmalls]

Would anyone do Rozier for Steven Adams? After his extension kicks in his contract is pretty much identical to Roziers. New Orleans desperately needs shooting and we desperately need a center.

Add Lonzo for giggles and possibly chemistry. Maybe we send a well protected 1st for the other ball.

[Rays Pompadour]

I think it was Bonnell, of all people, who pointed out that prior to the season the Hornets had, by some estimation, the least talented roster in the NBA. I would very much agree with this. And that when Ball and Hayward were added, they instantly became the team's most talented players.

Which leads me to wonder if ANY player other than those two are worth trading for by other teams? If other franchises have better talent, why trade for a lesser player? Who out there is desperate (no one)? Who out there is out of the playoff race and desires to shed salary for a pick (no one, even the Hornets)? Who out there believes a Hornet player is the missing piece? Who out there believes they can pluck a key player on a buy-low deal? Is that even possible with this roster, outside the new two?

Monk has talent, for sure, but where in the league does he fit right now except to have him in play next season during a contract year? Rozier has value, of course, but, again, who out there is clamoring for an undersized shooting guard on a not-great contract? Zeller would garner interest, but he's an URF after the season is over, so why trade for a player you can just sign in a few months at a much lower rate than the current one? Could it be that the Hornets' 2021 first rounder is more valuable than any of its present players?

Is there anything out there that isn't a fake trade idea? I like the exercise of bandying about trade thoughts and suggestions, but it's more fun if it has some possibility of actually happening, or has some basis in reality.

[LofJ]

Since Graham is on such a cheap deal we could flip him to a team that needs playmaking and shooting like the Knicks, Pelicans, or Mavericks for draft compensation or a player still on a rookie deal. Rozier would be a great fit for both Dallas and the Clippers. I don't think we'd get anything for Monk, he's been too inconsistent to get anything of value in a trade.

[Rich4114]

At this point I don’t care which it is, but I really think we need to explore trades involving Terry or Devonte. They are pretty redundant and force us into imbalanced lineups and we lack size. Knicks and Pelicans seem like good trading partners. Can’t think of others who have a lot of size but it’s time to consolidate.

Another wild card is to trade one of them plus something else and our draft pick for Oladipo.

Ball-Dipo-Hayward sounds like a playoff team if we still have guys to play PF/C after. I feel like Houston should be desperate for picks.

[Liver_Pooty]

We should probably not trade the guy that isn't shooting 34% from the field.

[Lwcasu]

I’d like for us to trade Graham for one of the young Centers stashed on a bench around the league. But that’s going to be difficult. The Cavs don’t need him. I doubt the Pelicans have use for him. The more I look the less likely anyone really has a use for him. So, I wonder if we get forced into trading Rozier instead as his contract can actually match up with another vet.

[LofJ]

I’d like for us to trade Graham for one of the young Centers stashed on a bench around the league. But that’s going to be difficult. The Cavs don’t need him. I doubt the Pelicans have use for him. The more I look the less likely anyone really has a use for him. So, I wonder if we get forced into trading Rozier instead as his contract can actually match up with another vet.

You're right, we aren't going to get a decent player back if we trade Graham. The Knicks and Pelicans have loads of extra picks though and they both need playmaking and shooting. We could at least get a quality 2nd for him.

Rozier definitely has more value, especially to teams with playmaking wings. We have two of those guys ourselves though so unless we're getting a starter quality big back I don't really want to trade him. He's too good of a fit with LaMelo and Hayward.

[JMAC3]

As much as I want to fix the Center spot on the team, I also realize this team lacks depth. Trading Graham or Monk just means we see more Martin Twins on the court... which I am not sure makes us better. Also, trading Graham leaves us with no backup point guard, Rozier is much much better at the 2.

The more I think about it, the more I think we need to focus on adding multiple guys this offseason with our free agency money and not try to sign one splashy name.

[JMAC3]

You're right, we aren't going to get a decent player back if we trade Graham. The Knicks and Pelicans have loads of extra picks though and they both need playmaking and shooting. We could at least get a quality 2nd for him.

Rozier definitely has more value, especially to teams with playmaking wings. We have two of those guys ourselves though so unless we're getting a starter quality big back I don't really want to trade him. He's too good of a fit with LaMelo and Hayward.

Trading Graham for a 2nd is probably the worst trade I have seen on this site bro... be better.

[LofJ]

You're right, we aren't going to get a decent player back if we trade Graham. The Knicks and Pelicans have loads of extra picks though and they both need playmaking and shooting. We could at least get a quality 2nd for him.

Rozier definitely has more value, especially to teams with playmaking wings. We have two of those guys ourselves though so unless we're getting a starter quality big back I don't really want to trade him. He's too good of a fit with LaMelo and Hayward.

Trading Graham for a 2nd is probably the worst trade I have seen on this site bro... be better.

I didn't say I would make that trade, I was just pointing out that Graham has at least high 2nd value in a trade (to other teams). He for sure has more value than that to this team.

[JMAC3]

I didn't say I would make that trade, I was just pointing out that Graham has at least high 2nd value in a trade (to other teams). He for sure has more value than that to this team.

Graham has value. His contract alone has value. His low cap hold has value. He is shooting 36% from three now and has made the 11th most threes in the NBA this season even after getting off to a horrible start.

At this point I think we either trade or resign him. I see no point in not resigning him simply because we can retain him so easily due to the cap hold and then trade him later if necessary. Also, this team lacks talent top to bottom, no reason to just let talent walk out the door for nothing.

[Braggins]

Who is the best center that could be had for one or two 2nd round picks? Keep in mind that four of the teams next five 2nd round picks are likely to be in the 50s.

player - team - contract
JaVale McGee - CLE - (1/5)
Aaron Baynes - TOR - (2/7)
Tristan Thompson - BOS - (2/9)
Jah Okafor - DET - (2/2)
Tony Bradley - PHI - (1/3)
Mike Muscala - OKC - (1/2)
Nerlens Noel - NY - (1/5)
Robin Lopez - WAS - (1/7)

Are any of those guys going to be both available and worth trading for to help this season in like a 10-15 mpg backup role?

[JMAC3]

Edit: Moved this to offseason thread

[JMAC3]

Who is the best center that could be had for one or two 2nd round picks? Keep in mind that four of the teams next five 2nd round picks are likely to be in the 50s.

player - team - contract
JaVale McGee - CLE - (1/5)- sure, he would be a better backup then Biz.
Aaron Baynes - TOR - (2/7)- No. No. NO. Dont wnat his money on books next year.
Tristan Thompson - BOS - (2/9)- No. No. No. Don't want his money on books next year.
Jah Okafor - DET - (2/2)- Sure, but could see Biz still playing over him.
Tony Bradley - PHI - (1/3)- Probably would trade a second just because he is young and worth a look.
Mike Muscala - OKC - (1/2)- Would rather just play PJ at 5
Nerlens Noel - NY - (1/5)- I would trade a second, but Knicks are competing for playoffs so not sure why they would.
Robin Lopez - WAS - (1/7)- Not worth it in my opinion.

Are any of those guys going to be both available and worth trading for to help this season in like a 10-15 mpg backup role?

Overall I think Zeller is better than all of these guys. So you would be signing them to be the backup center over Biz.

[Braggins]

Overall I think Zeller is better than all of these guys. So you would be signing them to be the backup center over Biz.

Yes, the question was whether we could convert some of the crappy 2nds into a backup center upgrade and whether that is worth it.

Are any of those guys going to be both available and worth trading for to help this season in like a 10-15 mpg backup role?

[JMAC3]

Overall I think Zeller is better than all of these guys. So you would be signing them to be the backup center over Biz.

Yes, the question was whether we could convert some of the crappy 2nds into a backup center upgrade and whether that is worth it.

Are any of those guys going to be both available and worth trading for to help this season in like a 10-15 mpg backup role?

Yeah I bolded out my answers in the quoted part of the response.

[LofJ]

After a big we need an athletic 2/3 wing that can play lockdown perimeter defense and shoot. There are a lot of guys that are decent shooters or good perimeter defenders, it's hard to find athletic guys that can do both. Miles and the Martin brothers are the closest we have to that, but none are good enough defenders. Miles just isn't fleet footed enough to be that guy and the Martin's aren't talented enough to be starters on a good team.

[Braggins]

I lean towards wanting the team to be in the draft lottery for one more season and am skeptical of making any short term moves unless an opportunity to trade one of the small guards for a long term center solution becomes available. However, the team has been playing well enough that its hard not to be intrigued by what they could do with LaMelo as a full time starter and legit backup center depth. Injuries have left the East more open than it initially looked.

Rozier/Graham
Melo/Monk
Hayward/Martin2
PJ/Miles
Cody/McGee

What is the ceiling on that roster if McGee was available for Biz + 2nd round pick?

I actually don't think we absolutely have to trade one of Rozier, Monk, or Graham right away. Its not ideal long term to have all three of them, but its not that big of a deal to have an undersized back court on your bench (Graham/Monk) and the teams real window is going to be in 2-3 years after Roziers contract is already up anyways, so I think they can afford to be patient. If a good trade for one of those three is available then great, but if they can't find the right deal I would be cool with resigning both Monk and Graham (assuming reasonable contracts) and continuing to look for the right trade by next trade deadline. They should actually be able to sign Graham, Monk, Cody, and possibly another minor bench piece, and still not be over the cap by much next offseason, which isn't a bad place to be.

[stinger14]

Is there a way we could work out some kind of 3-team deal involving the Warriors and Pelicans?

Pelicans are trying to move Bledsoe, London, and Redick. I also happen to think Adams is a bad fit next to Zion.

Warriors need to change it up. Wiggins and Oubre just do not fit their system well, they need more shooting. I can understand wanting to bring some youth to the team, but none of that youth matters once Curry, Klay, and Draymond are done.

This probably needs some work, and you can add draft picks where necessary. I am cautiously (LOL) interested to see opinions including changes or draft picks added.

Pelicans get: Wiggins, Oubre, Zeller
Zeller for Adams opens the lane more for Zion. Wiggins and Oubre get a look with Ingram, Zion, and Lonzo as a young athletic team. Wiggins contract is bad, but they also get rid of the Bledsoe contract.

Warriors get: Adams, Redick, Bridges, Graham
With Klay out, Redick and Graham give them guard depth, and more shooting than Wiggins and Oubre. Adams is a center to compete now in place of Wiseman. The value of Wiseman allows this trade to fix the Warriors shooting and remove the Wiggins contract.

Hornets get: Wiseman, Bledsoe
Wiseman with Melo for the future is something that should excite us Hornets fans. Not thrilled about the Bledsoe contract, but he can come off the bench for a couple of years to backup Melo, and provide a little of what we lose with Graham.

Melo / Bledsoe
Rozier / Monk
Heyward / Martin
PJ / McDaniels
Wiseman / Biz

I like the starting lineup. Bench needs work, but this would bring a level of hope we haven't had in a while.