Big Al's Paint: The Al Jefferson Thread

HornetJail · Post #921 » by **HornetJail** » Tue Dec 31, 2013 7:24 am

mrknowitall215 wrote:
Biz Gilwalker wrote:If only we had a defensive big man who could play next to Al assisting him with rim protection that needs very few touches on offense and would get putbacks off of Al's misses, preferably with long ass arms and an awesome name. Anyone know of such a guy? Clifford apparently doesn't.

Let's bring this HOF worthy gem back.

BrotherDave wrote:

Snidely FC · Post #922 » by **Snidely FC** » Wed Jan 1, 2014 3:00 pm

We signed Al Jefferson on July 10, 2013 for 13mln/3yrs.
On July 10, 2013, POR did this:

Acquired F Thomas Robinson from Houston for the rights to F Kostas Papnikolaou and F-C Marko Todorovic and two future second-round picks. Signed F Dorell Wright. Acquired C Robin Lopez and G Terrel Harris from New Orleans for the draft rights to C Jeff Withey, future second-round draft picks and cash. Sent a 2016 second- and future second-round draft pick to Sacramento.

That's what rebuilding teams with cap space are supposed to do, use the cap space to facilitate trades and salary dumps to get good young players. Thomas Robinson, Robin Lopez, Dorrell Wright, combined $12 mln year.

CHA management panicked. They started a rebuild and lost patience. They told us fans to have patience and instead of staying the course they slammed on the brakes. Al Jefferson can be fun to watch on the offensive end, but he is not the guy this team needed at the time. Not to mention they had just drafted Zeller, who has now been pushed out of the post, and this year's draft has been put in jeopardy. Management lost patience. signing Al was a short sighted move.

Eoghan · Post #923 » by **Eoghan** » Wed Jan 1, 2014 4:38 pm

Biz Gilwalker wrote:
BrotherDave wrote:
Biz Gilwalker wrote:I would normally know if you were being sarcastic or not, but this board gets insane when we lose games like this. When has Al EVER looked as (Please Use More Appropriate Word) as Mullens until that minute of play?

Every game. It's maddening how a guy his size and skill barely gets to the ft line. He gets away with picking up his pivot foot like crazy too, he must pay off the refs or something. And his only attempt at playing defense in the lane are catty swipes at the ball with his paw instead of actually attempting to block, no matter how small the driving player is.

We can't seriously rationalize paying a guy 13.5 million a year to put up empty stats and make us mediocre just because he's a "good guy" and "mentor." He makes Driftwood look mobile.

Your defensive criticism is the only thing I can agree with here. Having a big man you can throw the ball to at any given time and he'll get a good look is something most teams would kill to have, and you saw how **** this team was without it. He is the only addition worth anything right now to this team other than the coaching change. We're far more competitive than we've been since we traded Crash three years ago. This team isn't worth a damn without Al's offense and rebounding and we'd be getting blown out in all these games we're now only narrowly losing. The defense is unacceptable, particularly what we saw tonight at the end. If only we had a defensive big man who could play next to Al assisting him with rim protection that needs very few touches on offense and would get putbacks off of Al's misses, preferably with long ass arms and an awesome name. Anyone know of such a guy? Clifford apparently doesn't.

We played just as well without Jefferson at the beginning of the season than with him when he was out with his injury (if not better) and I'd be willing to bet we'd be a better team without him still, especially if his 13 million were put to better use. His flashy post game is fool's gold.

Elden Payton · Post #924 » by **Elden Payton** » Thu Jan 2, 2014 11:29 am

I truly feel that he is a trade asset for us.

I do think to maximise his value we need to trade him this season, this adds security to whichever teams are interested in him as they would have one and a half seasons of him before his option kicked in.

I think it's a good move to make with an asset which will effectively cost Jordan in the region of $6.75m if we trade him just before the deadline.

Snidely FC · Post #925 » by **Snidely FC** » Thu Jan 2, 2014 2:13 pm

This is a 90s style offense that will never keep up with the modern passing offenses that are so potent (SA, IND, even TOR lately), all anchored around an Old School player who gets so tired by the end of games he can't even bother to step in front of a cutter or move an inch for a rebound. BD said it best, Big Al is Fool's Gold. Too bad.

HornetJail · Post #926 » by **HornetJail** » Thu Jan 2, 2014 9:20 pm

Al would be amazing if he had a top notch defensive 5/4 next to him like Noah. Noah could bust his ass doing all the defensive stuff, Al needs to do just enough to not be a liability on defense, so he can conserve his energy for offense. That would be a very interesting pairing. I would happily trade Zeller, Hendo, and one of our picks for him

mrknowitall215 · Post #927 » by **mrknowitall215** » Thu Jan 2, 2014 9:22 pm

Biz Gilwalker wrote:Al would be amazing if he had a top notch defensive 5/4 next to him like Noah

Biyombo could very well be that if Clifford give him a chance

Bassman · Post #928 » by **Bassman** » Thu Jan 2, 2014 11:26 pm

I really liked signing Al, although I knew of his defensive lapses. Agree with the earlier poster who contrasted Portland's moves (which I would have preferred).

But in the here and now, we are not likely to trade Al to anyone this season (barring a crazy offer from a team who needs that ONE PIECE to win it all). I would like to see us start Biz next to Al and see how that pairing would work out. I fear the offense would become stagnant as McBob's point-forward contributions would be lost. Still, give me rim defense to pair with Al's offense and let's see what happens.

Then let Zeller play some 5 on occasion. Too light now to be real effective but maybe he pans out better there long term?

catch20two · Post #929 » by **catch20two** » Thu Jan 2, 2014 11:33 pm

Let Biz start with Jefferson to save him from his lack of rim protection. Our offense won't stall with McBob coming off the bench because it can't be much worst. We were a better scoring team last year with Mullens and Biz starting. I'm sure we'll be at least equal or better with Jefferson and Biz starting. As bad as Jefferson is defensively he is still better than what Mullens was on that end.

HornetJail · Post #930 » by **HornetJail** » Fri Jan 3, 2014 12:06 am

I'm going to continue to hope we at least attempt a Biz/Jefferson/McBob frontcourt at some point. Of course, the spacing will suck, but our offense literally can not get much worse than it's been.

Eoghan · Post #931 » by **Eoghan** » Fri Jan 3, 2014 6:04 am

Trade this bum.

mrknowitall215 · Post #932 » by **mrknowitall215** » Fri Jan 3, 2014 6:06 am

BrotherDave wrote:Trade this bum.

I'm not on the tank bandwagon with you, but I've officially jumped on the trade Al Jefferson bandwagon with you, which might end up being essentially the same

Elden Payton · Post #933 » by **Elden Payton** » Fri Jan 3, 2014 6:13 am

Please Cho trade this guy.

Aside from his obviously empty stats, what does he bring us?

LamarMatic7 · Post #934 » by **LamarMatic7** » Fri Jan 3, 2014 12:34 pm

Sik Infant wrote:Please Cho trade this guy.

Aside from his obviously empty stats, what does he bring us?

A veteran presence and leadership.

catch20two · Post #935 » by **catch20two** » Fri Jan 3, 2014 2:41 pm

If Clifford don't put a shotblocker beside this man in the lineup he might reach Mullens level of frustrations with me defensively. I don't want to trade him just yet like some of the above posters but he isn't making much of a difference stalling our offense so he can operate inefficiently in the post. I could see if he was making 50 to 60 percent of his shots but he's shooting around 40 something percent and then after missing on the offensive end he is giving up easy layups to the other team. I'm sure that's far from a net positive.

Post #936 » by **fatlever** » Fri Jan 3, 2014 5:51 pm

its all kemba's fault. /green font

higgins asked kemba which free agent would help the team the most and kemba said jefferson.

Robot Rock · Post #937 » by **Robot Rock** » Fri Jan 3, 2014 6:12 pm

fatlever wrote:its all kemba's fault. /green font

higgins asked kemba which free agent would help the team the most and kemba said jefferson.

I doubt he predicted Al would struggle shooting the ball this much. Or, for that matter, that he himself would be so hot-cold. Kemba hasn't really been hot-cold this year, it's more like scorching-freezing.

thruthefire · Post #938 » by **thruthefire** » Sat Jan 4, 2014 4:20 am

His offense has always been overrated, unless you place a high premium on middling or lower efficiency.

Liver_Pooty · Post #939 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Sat Jan 4, 2014 4:22 am

Robot Rock wrote:
fatlever wrote:its all kemba's fault. /green font

higgins asked kemba which free agent would help the team the most and kemba said jefferson.

I doubt he predicted Al would struggle shooting the ball this much. Or, for that matter, that he himself would be so hot-cold. Kemba hasn't really been hot-cold this year, it's more like scorching-freezing.

Him and Al are the match made in heaven. When they're both on we can literally beat anyone. When they aren't we lose by 30.

Eoghan · Post #940 » by **Eoghan** » Sat Jan 4, 2014 4:40 am

thruthefire wrote:His offense has always been overrated, unless you place a high premium on middling or lower efficiency.

Million dollar moves, dollar menu effectiveness.