30 Point Threshold - Noah Vonleh Thread

[fatlever]

If you were creating a stud prototypical power forward from scratch, you could use Vonleh as a template in terms of: height, length, hand size, strength, coordination, 3pt shooting, rebounding and dribbling. That being said, we still know very little about all the other parts of his game: touch, passing, motor, desire, basketball IQ, offensive and defensive awareness, positioning, leadership, competitiveness, willingness/desire to be a go-to scorer. It will be the 2nd list of traits that determines his ceiling. I think he has a pretty high floor though - as a rotational big man on a good team.

[Bozzy]

I'd say that he has all the tools to become what teams want in a modern NBA big. Can protect the rim, can drive to the basket, can shoot from outside.

If you're interested in a insightful write-up of his game, I recommend:
http://lamarmatic.com/2015/04/19/season ... ah-vonleh/

Thank you. All I heard about was that he reminded scouts of a Young C.Bosh. But I think that he can be a better rebounder and more physical.

What can we expect his minutes to be with Big Al, Marv, Zeller, Biz and Max around?


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[HornetJail]

The more I think about Noah's skillset, the more I get excited about him. I mean, what can't he do? He's an athletic and mobile big who can defend, and rebound, has some handles, some semblance of a post game, and possesses a jumper that extends past the three point line. He's 19 and obviously has a long way to go, but has an array of skills that should make him a prototypical PF. I'm very excited to see how he pans out- I think he's the best big man prospect we have, and that includes my man crush on Bismack.

^ Young Chris Bosh is a perfect comparison, although Bosh didn't even attempt 1 3P/game until age 28. If Vonleh does get playing time next year, which I think he will, he'll probably be attempting 1 3P/game or more right away. Vonleh's ceiling is probably present day Bosh (who plays more on the perimeter) rather than young Chris Bosh, who played a bit closer to the rim.

[Bassman]

I wanted Noah, and was ticked he got so few minutes. The kid is very young, but he has a tremendous skill set to go with his physical gifts. Vonleh needs experience, and time, but he also must find a passion to be great. I think he can be a tremendous player, but he has to believe it too. Noah needs a coach to help him, and a player to mentor him. I hope Al is working with him, and Ewing is pushing him to be a warrior. We need him to be our star at the 4, joining an improving MKG to create threats on both ends.

[fatlever]

I'd say that he has all the tools to become what teams want in a modern NBA big. Can protect the rim, can drive to the basket, can shoot from outside.

If you're interested in a insightful write-up of his game, I recommend:
http://lamarmatic.com/2015/04/19/season ... ah-vonleh/

What can we expect his minutes to be with Big Al, Marv, Zeller, Biz and Max around?


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Assuming we bring back Biz, I would assume that Vonleh will take over Maxiel's role of being the 5th big in the rotation, perhaps eclipsing Marvin as the 4th big later in the season. Spotty, inconsistent minutes to start the season, maybe ending the year getting around 10-15 minutes a night.

Year 3, expect him to replace Marvin (free agent) as the backup power forward getting 15-25 mins a game and by year 4 it should really be a true competition between Zeller and Noah for the starting job (or someone else if one doesn't pan out).

[JDR720]

if he does well in preseason I would make him the backup PF next season and move Marvin to SF.

hopefully he doesn't miss training camp

[Liver_Pooty]

Saying hes a young Bosh is very unfair to Noah.

[Go_Hornets]

That Detroit game gets me very excited about his future

[yosemiteben]

I'd say that he has all the tools to become what teams want in a modern NBA big. Can protect the rim, can drive to the basket, can shoot from outside.

If you're interested in a insightful write-up of his game, I recommend:
http://lamarmatic.com/2015/04/19/season ... ah-vonleh/

What can we expect his minutes to be with Big Al, Marv, Zeller, Biz and Max around?


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Assuming we bring back Biz, I would assume that Vonleh will take over Maxiel's role of being the 5th big in the rotation, perhaps eclipsing Marvin as the 4th big later in the season. Spotty, inconsistent minutes to start the season, maybe ending the year getting around 10-15 minutes a night.

Year 3, expect him to replace Marvin (free agent) as the backup power forward getting 15-25 mins a game and by year 4 it should really be a true competition between Zeller and Noah for the starting job (or someone else if one doesn't pan out).

This is how I see his career progressing too.

[HornetJail]

I don't want to have to wait four years for him to realize his full potential like we did for Bismack, but there is a chance that it could pay of big time for us. What if we bring back Biz on like a 5/35 deal and then he blossoms into some DeAndre Jordan type animal once Jefferson walks? What if three years later, we do the same thing with Vonleh, and he gets a similar deal and then he blows up into Boshosaurus 2.0 and we have a top 3 frontcourt locked up for a really long time making a combined $15 million a year? Maybe we were doing this with MKG too? Sure it's maddening watching our young players not see court time their entire rookie contracts but the payoff for when we're actually competing would be tremendous. Sounds stupid but it kind of makes sense.

[JDR720]

That Detroit game gets me very excited about his future

that was a good game

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WejucFMXwng[/youtube]

[Hornet Mania]

I think Vonleh has the highest ceiling of any player on our roster, including MKG. Whether he reaches it or not is certainly debatable, but he's exactly what you want from a big man in this era. He has elite size, he's already got a well-developed frame so he doesn't have weight concerns like many other prospects and may even get stronger, he shoots a good percentage from deep with a decent (if ever-changing) stroke, rebounds well both offensively and defensively, and perhaps most importantly he doesn't shy away from contact and is willing to mix it up in the paint. If he puts it all together no player on our team has a better tool kit to work with.

I think if he actually was allowed to play over Maxiell in the second half of last season (as he should have) a lot of people would be extremely high on him around the league. He shot 38.5% from NBA 3pt range after shooting 48% from the NCAA line. Small sample sizes in both cases, but nonetheless it is promising. If he can shoot something like 35-38% from deep plus get double-digit rebounds while being a physical defensive presence I don't see how he could not be an extremely valuable player in today's game. We just chained him to the bench like idiots which deflated his value severely, but hopefully didn't stunt his growth. Even if he never expands his game beyond being an elite rebounder (he corralled 18.3% of rebounds while on the floor last year, Tim Duncan's career average is 18.5%, again small sample sizes so not definitive proof just evidence of potential) plus reliable outside shooter who plays respectable defense he'll easily be above the Ryan Anderson/Channing Frye tier. Now I'm not saying he is a lock to become this player, but the potential is evident and the skills/size are there to at least make it a believable proposition. You don't have to squint too hard to imagine Vonleh play 30mpg while shooting 35% from deep and getting 10-12 rebounds. That is a quality starter in the league. If he develops beyond that it's going to be gravy.

To me the Bosh comparison makes sense but it is imperfect. Vonleh is far more willing to bang in the paint than Bosh ever was, he is a much more physical player. This unfortunately manifests itself in one of his weaknesses: he fouls a bunch. That is the one thing I could see derailing him, not being able to stay on the floor due to foul trouble. But to me he's a thicker Bosh who isn't quite as smooth of a ball handler/shot creator but much more natural delivering a hook in traffic after bouncing off a defender to create space. His little spin move into the middle of the lane for a baby hook was surprisingly polished, would like to see more of it as well as a counter for when teams catch onto it.

I'm extremely high on Vonleh, as much as anyone on our team. I could definitely be wrong, and Cliff seems hellbent on making him "earn" his minutes via watching veterans perform at an inferior level while he rots, but if we commit to developing this kid he can be an extremely valuable player and one that fits with where the game is headed in terms of big men who can stretch the floor on offense and rebound while providing rim protection on defense. I firmly believe that a coach like Pop would turn Vonleh into a monster, I'm just concerned that we lack the development skills to help him tap into that potential.

[JDR720]

Pop would turn Vonleh into Chris Bosh in a few seasons, i dont trust Clifford he'll probably turn him into Anthony Randolph (i hope not).

I think he can be a 15/10/2 PF on 48/36/75. top 10 PF overall.

[HornetJail]

Pop would turn Vonleh into Chris Bosh in a few seasons, i dont trust Clifford he'll probably turn him into Anthony Randolph (i hope not).

I think he can be a 15/10/2 PF on 48/36/75. top 10 PF overall.

After the complete failure to turn Biyombo and Zeller into NBA players? I don't know who's doing what behind the scenes but our young bigs- actually all of our draft picks have developed pretty well.

[HornetJail]

That Detroit game gets me very excited about his future

that was a good game

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WejucFMXwng[/youtube]

Wow Vonleh really was the only player to show up that night. I forgot we lost by 40

[Bozzy]

The good thing is that he has the opontunity to work with good schooled Big men in Ewing and Big Al.

He could be the perfect fit with Big Al on court. But it doesn't sound like as its gonna be next season.

[Braggins]

Does Zeller's shoulder surgery give Vonleh an outside shot at being the starting PF at the start of next season. Being out for multiple months with a shoulder injury is going to really hinder Zeller's shooting development this off-season and that is the part of his game most in need of improvement.

[JDR720]

Nope, Cliff would start Marvin or some walk on like Maxiell over Vonleh

[Hornet Mania]

Does Zeller's shoulder surgery give Vonleh an outside shot at being the starting PF at the start of next season. Being out for multiple months with a shoulder injury is going to really hinder Zeller's shooting development this off-season and that is the part of his game most in need of improvement.

I think at best it might open up 10-15 minutes a game for Vonleh early in the year, which would give him a good opportunity to show he deserves steady playing time. I agree with JDR though, it seems at this juncture that Cliff would trust Marv much more in a starting role if Zeller misses time or has a minutes limitation.

[Liver_Pooty]

Does Zeller's shoulder surgery give Vonleh an outside shot at being the starting PF at the start of next season. Being out for multiple months with a shoulder injury is going to really hinder Zeller's shooting development this off-season and that is the part of his game most in need of improvement.

Highly, highly doubtful. He stated recently he hopes to start shooting in 3-4 weeks. Plenty of time to work on his shooting. I'd like to see them two play together alot though next year.