OMFKG! The Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread

[jman2585]

It took Zach Randolph and Jermaine O'Neal a long while to become good players.

I see alot of these sorts of comments, and they're unfortunate. Those 2 guys developed more slowly because they were buried on deep teams, behind awesome players (or in this case, Rasheed Wallace mainly). The Bobcats are not in that situation, they are in the situation of a team who can afford to give minutes to young guys to develop them. MKG isn't losing his minutes to a borderline Franchise player like Sheed, he's losing them to borderline NBA players. To hear people say Lillard or Drummond may not be as good smacks of denial for mine.

Okafor didn't develop much because he came into the NBA as a 3 year College vet, and one of the most NBA ready guys in the NCAA, aged 22. He just didn't have alot of room to grow (though he did improve a little after he stopped the bulking up which caused him issues early on). He also came into a situation where he was given minutes right away, and didn't have to earn them like other guys on playoff type teams do (like JO and Zach).

Kemba is in his 2nd year, and has improved, but "broken out"? I still don't know how good he's going to be to be honest. It's a good thing MKG looks nice, but he has a long, long uphill battle to prove he was the 2nd best player in this draft (or even the 5th best probably).

[Fred Williamson]

some people really forget that MKG is still the youngest player in the league. it's beyond stupid to label him a bust right now.

[misterglover]

Don't waste your time. He doesn't appear to know much about Basketball.

Dont question my basketball knowledge.....im 36 yrs old, been playing basketball since I was 4 played at a historically black college for 2 yrs, have been a fan of the NBA since 1980, have been head coach of 3 rec league teams, leading scorer on my high school team, would run circles around you on the court and in basketball knowledge, am I an NBA GM in waiting, no but.....i know the game of basketball. Just because a person doesnt agree with you, or doesnt see a player the same way you do to knock their opinion is foolish. Im not gonna make excuses for a player just because he plays for the bobcats, i dont think much of MKG's game and I think thats a fair assessment to have....I dont see anything about his game that would make him a star like some are painting him and what I expect of the #2 overall pick, if you are asking me will he be a rotation player in the NBA yes definetly, if you are asking me if he's gonna have a long career yes probably, but if your asking me do I see a player with limited skills, no jumper and that is not a offensive minded player becoming a star or franchise player I think its clear my answer is no and Im as entitled to that opinion as you are to yours even though I dont think much of it or you.

Also would like to point out that I have been a member of this board since 2007, I dont have alot of post and im not one of those trolls on every teams board that comes along and hates or knocks everything related to the team. But for those that have been around the board long enough to see my posting this much about what i think about this guy means i must believe pretty strongly in what im saying.

[BigSlam]

attack the post, not the poster thanks chaps.

[JMAC3]

Don't waste your time. He doesn't appear to know much about Basketball.

Dont question my basketball knowledge.....im 36 yrs old, been playing basketball since I was 4 played at a historically black college for 2 yrs, have been a fan of the NBA since 1980, have been head coach of 3 rec league teams, leading scorer on my high school team, would run circles around you on the court and in basketball knowledge, am I an NBA GM in waiting, no but.....i know the game of basketball.

Hahahaha was this bio supposed to impress us. Head Coach of 3 rec teams smh.

I guess your basketball knowledge doesn't understand that people are always improving in this game. I guess you never got any better after you were 19, since you think MKG wont improve significantly.

A 6'7'' guy with a 7' foot wingspan and great athleticism seems to have the body type has the potential to be something special. Couple that with his work ethic, BBIQ, and his ability to finish in the lane has chance to be something special. The only things he is missing is a consistent jump shot and experience.

I will be laughing when he is an allstar by his third season.

[advanced]

MKG didn't want to be a star in college. he wanted to be a role player on a stacked team. idk why we drafted him and expect him to be a franchise player

[fatlever]

Dont question my basketball knowledge.....im 36 yrs old, been playing basketball since I was 4 played at a historically black college for 2 yrs, have been a fan of the NBA since 1980, have been head coach of 3 rec league teams, leading scorer on my high school team, would run circles around you on the court and in basketball knowledge, am I an NBA GM in waiting, no but.....i know the game of basketball.

Hahahaha was this bio supposed to impress us. Head Coach of 3 rec teams smh.

it beats the hell out of my bball bio

fats bball bio

40 years old 5'6", 140lbs, once averaged 6ppg off the bench as a combo guard in church league for a team that finished in 2nd place. played 3 years of intramural ball at college once scored 10pts in game to 11 (4x4 half court) vs some meatheads on my dorm floor soph year, back when i had long hippie hair and they were shocked and called me basketball jesus. and most recently dished out 9 assists in 32 minutes of game time in pick up ball. my game has been said to resemble a cross between sam cassell on offense and augustin on defense, with the size of earl boykins. in 10th grade i memorized about 70% of the NBA encyclopedia, which i got for xmas that year.

[Eoghan]

I dont see anything about his game that would make him a star like some are painting him and what I expect of the #2 overall pick, if you are asking me will he be a rotation player in the NBA yes definetly, if you are asking me if he's gonna have a long career yes probably, but if your asking me do I see a player with limited skills, no jumper and that is not a offensive minded player becoming a star or franchise player I think its clear my answer is no and Im as entitled to that opinion as you are to yours even though I dont think much of it or you.

How does MKG have limited skills? He has a good handle, excellent ability to finish in traffic, good defense, good rebounding, good at steals and blocks, good basketball IQ, above average passer, good stamina, and always hustles. The only thing he can't do is shoot, that's it. Unfortunately, our team is so anemic at scoring and defending that his Achilles heel gets magnified but that's what happens when young guys are thrown in the fire.

[Bassman]

I dont see anything about his game that would make him a star like some are painting him and what I expect of the #2 overall pick, if you are asking me will he be a rotation player in the NBA yes definetly, if you are asking me if he's gonna have a long career yes probably, but if your asking me do I see a player with limited skills, no jumper and that is not a offensive minded player becoming a star or franchise player I think its clear my answer is no and Im as entitled to that opinion as you are to yours even though I dont think much of it or you.

How does MKG have limited skills? He has a good handle, excellent ability to finish in traffic, good defense, good rebounding, good at steals and blocks, good basketball IQ, above average passer, good stamina, and always hustles. The only thing he can't do is shoot, that's it. Unfortunately, our team is so anemic at scoring and defending that his Achilles heel gets magnified but that's what happens when young guys are thrown in the fire.

Sorry my brother, but I just don't see him DOING that in games. It's one thing to shine in summer league, or in practice, or in occasional bursts, but once the league gets their"book" on you, it's a much harder game. Hyphen may find his way, but I agree with others relative to seeing nothing that makes me believe he will be a star.

BTW, these discussion are circular and will be circular until MKG shows us which player he will become. I am only commenting on what I see, coupled with typical paths of progress one can expect from the experiences NBA history has taught us with most players.

[TheKingofSting]

Don't waste your time. He doesn't appear to know much about Basketball.

Dont question my basketball knowledge.....im 36 yrs old, been playing basketball since I was 4 played at a historically black college for 2 yrs, have been a fan of the NBA since 1980, have been head coach of 3 rec league teams, leading scorer on my high school team, would run circles around you on the court and in basketball knowledge, am I an NBA GM in waiting, no but.....i know the game of basketball. Just because a person doesnt agree with you, or doesnt see a player the same way you do to knock their opinion is foolish. Im not gonna make excuses for a player just because he plays for the bobcats, i dont think much of MKG's game and I think thats a fair assessment to have....I dont see anything about his game that would make him a star like some are painting him and what I expect of the #2 overall pick, if you are asking me will he be a rotation player in the NBA yes definetly, if you are asking me if he's gonna have a long career yes probably, but if your asking me do I see a player with limited skills, no jumper and that is not a offensive minded player becoming a star or franchise player I think its clear my answer is no and Im as entitled to that opinion as you are to yours even though I dont think much of it or you.

Also would like to point out that I have been a member of this board since 2007, I dont have alot of post and im not one of those trolls on every teams board that comes along and hates or knocks everything related to the team. But for those that have been around the board long enough to see my posting this much about what i think about this guy means i must believe pretty strongly in what im saying.

It is not very smart to assume that about someone you don't know anything about. You must not have been a very successful coach if you didn't believe in letting your players develop. I'm sure you were one of the ones on here running down Kemba last season as a Nate Robinson 2.0 chucker who would never be anything than a player contributing off of the bench. I'm confident you will look just as foolish this time next year about MKG. It's sad you can't deal with someone having a different opinion than yours without getting all puter mad.

MKG didn't want to be a star in college. he wanted to be a role player on a stacked team. idk why we drafted him and expect him to be a franchise player

He didn't have to be a star player in college.

[advanced]

He didn't have to be a star player in college.

thats what I said. He chose to go to the stacked team and be the 4th-5th option. But people here think he can be even a 2nd or 3rd option on a championship team? thats not who he is or even wants to be. Think he would want to stay in Charlotte when his contract runs out if he can go play with his buddies on a stacked team? I mean you're free to think that but it seems like blind hope that he's not the guy he's already shown to be in his career.

also you can go read his scouting reports on draft express as far back as him as a 15 year old. talking about his hitched shot, mediocre iso game, handles etc and how he has "plenty of time" to fix it. yeah hes had plenty of time since then and not much to show for it

[Eoghan]

I dont see anything about his game that would make him a star like some are painting him and what I expect of the #2 overall pick, if you are asking me will he be a rotation player in the NBA yes definetly, if you are asking me if he's gonna have a long career yes probably, but if your asking me do I see a player with limited skills, no jumper and that is not a offensive minded player becoming a star or franchise player I think its clear my answer is no and Im as entitled to that opinion as you are to yours even though I dont think much of it or you.

How does MKG have limited skills? He has a good handle, excellent ability to finish in traffic, good defense, good rebounding, good at steals and blocks, good basketball IQ, above average passer, good stamina, and always hustles. The only thing he can't do is shoot, that's it. Unfortunately, our team is so anemic at scoring and defending that his Achilles heel gets magnified but that's what happens when young guys are thrown in the fire.

Sorry my brother, but I just don't see him DOING that in games. It's one thing to shine in summer league, or in practice, or in occasional bursts, but once the league gets their"book" on you, it's a much harder game. Hyphen may find his way, but I agree with others relative to seeing nothing that makes me believe he will be a star.

BTW, these discussion are circular and will be circular until MKG shows us which player he will become. I am only commenting on what I see, coupled with typical paths of progress one can expect from the experiences NBA history has taught us with most players.

He does most of these dirty work facets like rebound, steals, and blocks just about every game. The reason why his offense is so bad is due in part because Charlotte is that bad. If he was surrounded by shooters and bigs that were low-post scorers he'd have all the space in the world to ply his offense but he doesn't. If everyone on Charlotte wasn't so easy to defend than MKG would get more buckets but is what it is. Cho and Co. didn't draft him to elevate Charlotte's offense, they drafted him based on his intangibles, his potential, and to change the culture of the team. I have no problem with anyone thinking that drafting him based on those things was a bad idea or not, I'm even inclined to agree, but it's practically guaranteed that he is coming along as well as the FO was expecting.

[TheKingofSting]

He didn't have to be a star player in college.

thats what I said. He chose to go to the stacked team and be the 4th-5th option. But people here think he can be even a 2nd or 3rd option on a championship team? thats not who he is or even wants to be. Think he would want to stay in Charlotte when his contract runs out if he can go play with his buddies on a stacked team? I mean you're free to think that but it seems like blind hope that he's not the guy he's already shown to be in his career.

also you can go read his scouting reports on draft express as far back as him as a 15 year old. talking about his hitched shot, mediocre iso game, handles etc and how he has "plenty of time" to fix it. yeah hes had plenty of time since then and not much to show for it

He committed to UK first out of all of the Freshman on last years team. He was known to be a UK lean even before that. He simply wasn't a star player in college because he didn't have to be, it doesn't mean he never will be.

by Jerry Meyer - 09/02/2008

Young for his class, Gilchrist is an intriguing prospect with a lot of upside. An energetic player, he is dangerous offensively as a slasher and continually makes plays on defense. He has the length and skill level to play a variety of positions and projects as a solid outside shooter.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball ... rist-70945

[advanced]

i dont understand, do you think posting one report of a college scout that turned out to be wrong means anything?

[Elden Payton]

C'mon now, MKG as a 19 year old rookie is far superior to say Scottie Pippen as a rook or Gary Payton etc.

50 games just isn't enough to say he is a bust, he has had some great moments already in the league.

[advanced]

C'mon now, MKG as a 19 year old rookie is far superior to say Scottie Pippen as a rook or Gary Payton etc.

no he isn't

[Elden Payton]

Yes he is.

Also talent wise the Bobcats are inferior to both their respective teams.

MKG as a rook is still superior to Kawhi Leonard or Harrison Barnes etc.

No he isn't just isn't good enough.

State some evidence to support your claim.

[advanced]

Rookie Gary Payton per 36= 9.4/3.9/8.5 2.6stls. his team went 41-41

rookie Scottie Pippen per 36: 13.6/6.5/3.7 2stls 1.1 blocks. his team won 50 games

[Elden Payton]

Yeah for sure but what are MKG's per 36 stats?

MJ had nothing to do with the bulls 50 wins? It was Scottie?

[advanced]

Yeah for sure but what are MKG's per 36 stats?

MJ had nothing to do with the bulls 50 wins? It was Scottie?

12.6/7.9/2 1 stl 1.5 block

hardly "far superior" to Payton or Pippen as rooks per your claim