Big Al's Paint: The Al Jefferson Thread

Post #941 » by **JDR720** » Sat Jan 4, 2014 4:45 am

we need to put shooters around Al and Kemba (which we dont have) and a shot blocker with Al (which we have if Cliff would play them together)

HornetJail · Post #942 » by **HornetJail** » Sat Jan 4, 2014 6:02 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
Robot Rock wrote:
fatlever wrote:its all kemba's fault. /green font

higgins asked kemba which free agent would help the team the most and kemba said jefferson.

I doubt he predicted Al would struggle shooting the ball this much. Or, for that matter, that he himself would be so hot-cold. Kemba hasn't really been hot-cold this year, it's more like scorching-freezing.

Him and Al are the match made in heaven. When they're both on we can literally beat anyone. When they aren't we lose by 30.

And they will both be on a lot more often once we surround them with shooters. Even someone like Middleton or Garcia would go a looooooooooooooooong way.

MKGsMotor · Post #943 » by **MKGsMotor** » Sat Jan 4, 2014 8:15 am

Biz Gilwalker wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
Robot Rock wrote:
I doubt he predicted Al would struggle shooting the ball this much. Or, for that matter, that he himself would be so hot-cold. Kemba hasn't really been hot-cold this year, it's more like scorching-freezing.

Him and Al are the match made in heaven. When they're both on we can literally beat anyone. When they aren't we lose by 30.

And they will both be on a lot more often once we surround them with shooters. Even someone like Middleton or Garcia would go a looooooooooooooooong way.

in reality if we got Garcia, his career would die and in typical bobcats fashion he would not be able to make any threes or deserve any playtime.

Post #944 » by **BigSlam** » Sat Jan 4, 2014 8:20 am

MKGsMotor wrote:
Biz Gilwalker wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
Him and Al are the match made in heaven. When they're both on we can literally beat anyone. When they aren't we lose by 30.

And they will both be on a lot more often once we surround them with shooters. Even someone like Middleton or Garcia would go a looooooooooooooooong way.

in reality if we got Garcia, his career would die and in typical bobcats fashion he would not be able to make any threes or deserve any playtime.

HornetJail · Post #945 » by **HornetJail** » Sat Jan 4, 2014 5:19 pm

What about Middleton? He's shooting 45% from deep on the BUCKS.

Red Larrivee · Post #946 » by **Red Larrivee** » Sat Jan 4, 2014 5:20 pm

Jefferson's problem is that the Bobcats offense is the one of the worst in the league and has no spacing. A lack of spacing can be frustrating for players who score in the low-post because defenders will simply pack the paint and watch bad jump shooters shoot.

LamarMatic7 · Post #947 » by **LamarMatic7** » Sat Jan 4, 2014 6:46 pm

Red Larrivee wrote:Jefferson's problem is that the Bobcats offense is the one of the worst in the league and has no spacing. A lack of spacing can be frustrating for players who score in the low-post because defenders will simply pack the paint and watch bad jump shooters shoot.

I made some snapshots from the Portland game that are just brutal. All five Blazers are in the paint without a worry. Can find them in the game thread, if you are interested.

Eoghan · Post #948 » by **Eoghan** » Sat Jan 4, 2014 8:32 pm

Hard to create spacing when there is no ball movement b/c your center takes 8 days to post up and rarely backs his man down to create fouls.

Elden Payton · Post #949 » by **Elden Payton** » Sun Jan 5, 2014 2:28 am

Yeah I'm with BD on this.

Al Jeff is probably the only player I've seen pump fake multiple times with no defenders near him.

He takes way too long to post up which allows the D to collapse.

On top of that he deliberately avoids contact, he should make a living at the line.

He makes all kinds of complicated post moves and then blows the up and under.

At least in my opinion after watching so much of him, he is the definition of million dollar moves with a ten cent finish.

Vanderbilt_Grad · Post #950 » by **Vanderbilt_Grad** » Sun Jan 5, 2014 5:05 pm

Red Larrivee wrote:Jefferson's problem is that the Bobcats offense is the one of the worst in the league and has no spacing. A lack of spacing can be frustrating for players who score in the low-post because defenders will simply pack the paint and watch bad jump shooters shoot.

This.

The reason the cats start McBob is the sad fact that they have almost no outside shooting and McBob is critical to creating what little space they can generate.

If you replace Hendo with another guard with. 3 point shot who could also pass and defend ... It would make a huge difference to both Jefferson and the team as a whole.

Sadly the same is true of MKG.

thruthefire · Post #951 » by **thruthefire** » Sun Jan 5, 2014 5:35 pm

Looking through the NBA stats page, I noticed that opponents are shooting 55.9% at the rim against Al. Of course, this is probably no surprise to anyone on here, but just to put that number into perspective, it's what JJ Hickson gives up at the rim. And, of course, JJ's lack of rim protection is why Portland made it clear that he would not be back, and he only received a 3-year/$16 million deal from Denver despite being a young, double-double guy. Hey, at least he can play power forward. What a ridiculous overpay Al was.

catch20two · Post #952 » by **catch20two** » Sun Jan 5, 2014 6:03 pm

If Al Jeff was a rim protector then he would easily be a max-contract. It's frustrating as all hell to watch him give up layups in the paint without even contesting but he's not here for defense. We signed him to give us another option offensively besides Kemba's inefficient pull-up jumper. Too bad we didn't put no shooters around him to make it easier for him and Kemba. Queue my Hendo has to go rant.

HornetJail · Post #953 » by **HornetJail** » Sun Jan 5, 2014 6:13 pm

catch20two wrote:If Al Jeff was a rim protector then he would easily be a max-contract. It's frustrating as all hell to watch him give up layups in the paint without even contesting but he's not here for defense. We signed him to give us another option offensively besides Kemba's inefficient pull-up jumper. Too bad we didn't put no shooters around him to make it easier for him and Kemba. Queue my Hendo has to go rant.

I've been one of Hendo's biggest supporters throughout the last few years, but if he doesn't start shooting threes, he's got to go. He's capable of shooting threes, but he's too comfortable taking 18 foot sideways jumpers like Kobe. He has to start shooting threes. He's shooting 33% from three the last two years- that's not terrible. Behind Kemba (who is shooting 37% from three now!), and Tolliver, Hendo is easily the third best shooter from deep and that is a problem because he only attempts one a game. He needs to take more threes or we will find someone else of his caliber that does. I'm not hopping off the Hendo train yet, but he HAS to take threes more often. He's at least a threat when he's out there.

Yes even Hendo shooting threes will help our floor spacing.

thruthefire · Post #954 » by **thruthefire** » Sun Jan 5, 2014 6:20 pm

catch20two wrote:If Al Jeff was a rim protector then he would easily be a max-contract. It's frustrating as all hell to watch him give up layups in the paint without even contesting but he's not here for defense. We signed him to give us another option offensively besides Kemba's inefficient pull-up jumper. Too bad we didn't put no shooters around him to make it easier for him and Kemba. Queue my Hendo has to go rant.

OK, Hickson and Paul Millsap are offensive threats (with more diverse games) and they're not making anywhere near as much as Al.

catch20two · Post #955 » by **catch20two** » Sun Jan 5, 2014 6:29 pm

thruthefire wrote:
catch20two wrote:If Al Jeff was a rim protector then he would easily be a max-contract. It's frustrating as all hell to watch him give up layups in the paint without even contesting but he's not here for defense. We signed him to give us another option offensively besides Kemba's inefficient pull-up jumper. Too bad we didn't put no shooters around him to make it easier for him and Kemba. Queue my Hendo has to go rant.

OK, Hickson and Paul Millsap are offensive threats (with more diverse games) and they're not making anywhere near as much as Al.

Both of those guys are also undersized PFs (under 6'10") that don't rim protect in which it is arguable if either have a more diverse offensive game if they average equal to less than Jefferson does. Need I say more? I don't know where your argument was at.

thruthefire · Post #956 » by **thruthefire** » Sun Jan 5, 2014 6:40 pm

catch20two wrote:
thruthefire wrote:
catch20two wrote:If Al Jeff was a rim protector then he would easily be a max-contract. It's frustrating as all hell to watch him give up layups in the paint without even contesting but he's not here for defense. We signed him to give us another option offensively besides Kemba's inefficient pull-up jumper. Too bad we didn't put no shooters around him to make it easier for him and Kemba. Queue my Hendo has to go rant.

OK, Hickson and Paul Millsap are offensive threats (with more diverse games) and they're not making anywhere near as much as Al.

Both of those guys are also undersized PFs (under 6'10") that don't rim protect in which it is arguable if either have a more diverse offensive game if they average equal to less than Jefferson does. Need I say more? I don't know where your argument was at.

Well, it should be clear. You said Al wasn't brought here for defense, but to support Kemba on offense. There are other guys who could have done that for cheaper.

And obviously a power forward who doesn't rim protect is far less of an issue than a center who doesn't.

catch20two · Post #957 » by **catch20two** » Sun Jan 5, 2014 6:45 pm

thruthefire wrote:
catch20two wrote:
thruthefire wrote:
OK, Hickson and Paul Millsap are offensive threats (with more diverse games) and they're not making anywhere near as much as Al.

Both of those guys are also undersized PFs (under 6'10") that don't rim protect in which it is arguable if either have a more diverse offensive game if they average equal to less than Jefferson does. Need I say more? I don't know where your argument was at.

Well, it should be clear. You said Al wasn't brought here for defense, but to support Kemba on offense. There are other guys who could have done that for cheaper.

And obviously a power forward who doesn't rim protect is far less of an issue than a center who doesn't.

Oh now I see what it is. You thought my comment after yours was to dispute Al being somewhat of a bad contract. I would've quoted you if that was the case. Otherwise I agree with you and what you said beforehand. Fat Al annoys me on Hendo and Sessions levels. I still rather have him than Hickson tho.

Radu_Hornets · Post #958 » by **Radu_Hornets** » Thu Jan 9, 2014 11:56 am

I was just thinking, why not starting biz in front of Al? Astaley him defend the starting big of the opponent for a few minutes.
Then let big al do his moves with the second unit that is usually based on the tunnel vision of session... It would give session more opportunities, and the floor would be more "spread" since our only real shooter in Tolliver is playing with the second unit,

All this while still giving big Al around 30 min a game.

thruthefire · Post #959 » by **thruthefire** » Sat Jan 11, 2014 5:58 am

My feel-o-meter has always told me that despite his double-digit rebound average, Al can't rebound for **** when the ball doesn't fall into his lap.

NBA Stats tells me that he rebounds 33.1% of his contested chances, an awful number for a center.

Eoghan · Post #960 » by **Eoghan** » Sat Jan 11, 2014 6:27 am

thruthefire wrote:My feel-o-meter has always told me that despite his double-digit rebound average, Al can't rebound for **** when the ball doesn't fall into his lap.

NBA Stats tells me that he rebounds 33.1% of his contested chances, an awful number for a center.

He truly is a complete mirage of a good player. Nice guy, nice post moves, but massive detriment to good basketball.