Hornets Sign Lance Stephenson 3y/27.5 mil (p67)

[Elden Payton]

he still has the whole stomping his girlfriend thing going for him

but west, scola, and the other guys were pissed at him for instigating the whole thing. led to hibbert "boycotting" the season basically

according to rumors, of course.

So he allegedly has the girlfriend incident five years ago, has zero off court incidents for four years, then he's the bad guy for mentioning how teammates are banging each other's girls in the locker room when there was already obvious tensions?

I don't know why people keep saying "zero off-court incidents" since he's been in the league. Larry Bird and that entire locker room was constantly in his face for the first two years of him being there. Danny Granger and David West in particular. Lance was 'that guy' in this instance for airing that kind of thing out in the locker room of all places. That's what pissed everyone off. PG and Hibbert already both knew about it. (according to rumors)

He was always the topic of a team meeting or something. There's no vindication for this guy. He is what he is. He might get better - or he'll be a more volatile Josh Howard.

edit: there's plenty pictures of the woman he 'allegedly' tossed down the stairs online too. if you ever wondered what a good lawyer can do for a guy, just check that out. or take a look at how JR Smith literally killed someone and didn't do a day in jail. or andray blatche's 'friend' raping someone instead of him.

It's a damn crazy world we live in.

Wealth should not decide a person's guilt.

[LofJ]

So he allegedly has the girlfriend incident five years ago, has zero off court incidents for four years, then he's the bad guy for mentioning how teammates are banging each other's girls in the locker room when there was already obvious tensions?

I don't know why people keep saying "zero off-court incidents" since he's been in the league. Larry Bird and that entire locker room was constantly in his face for the first two years of him being there. Danny Granger and David West in particular. Lance was 'that guy' in this instance for airing that kind of thing out in the locker room of all places. That's what pissed everyone off. PG and Hibbert already both knew about it. (according to rumors)

He was always the topic of a team meeting or something. There's no vindication for this guy. He is what he is. He might get better - or he'll be a more volatile Josh Howard.

edit: there's plenty pictures of the woman he 'allegedly' tossed down the stairs online too. if you ever wondered what a good lawyer can do for a guy, just check that out. or take a look at how JR Smith literally killed someone and didn't do a day in jail. or andray blatche's 'friend' raping someone instead of him.

It's a damn crazy world we live in.

Wealth should not decide a person's guilt.

It shouldn't, but it does.

[Elden Payton]

I don't know why people keep saying "zero off-court incidents" since he's been in the league. Larry Bird and that entire locker room was constantly in his face for the first two years of him being there. Danny Granger and David West in particular. Lance was 'that guy' in this instance for airing that kind of thing out in the locker room of all places. That's what pissed everyone off. PG and Hibbert already both knew about it. (according to rumors)

He was always the topic of a team meeting or something. There's no vindication for this guy. He is what he is. He might get better - or he'll be a more volatile Josh Howard.

edit: there's plenty pictures of the woman he 'allegedly' tossed down the stairs online too. if you ever wondered what a good lawyer can do for a guy, just check that out. or take a look at how JR Smith literally killed someone and didn't do a day in jail. or andray blatche's 'friend' raping someone instead of him.

It's a damn crazy world we live in.

Wealth should not decide a person's guilt.

It shouldn't, but it does.

Sad fact of life that!

[chabber]

Almost everyone in our organization that matters is in Las Vegas. If we wanted to meet and court him, why would he be in Charlotte?

I gave up on getting Lance after we signed Marvin. I'm not saying that we won't do it, but there have been no serious signs that we have interest. As much of a stealth ninja as Cho is when it comes to his targets, I have to believe something would have surfaced at this point.

While I have been an advocate of signing Lance, after seeing the whole league shun him, I'm ok with letting him go.

[MasterIchiro]

The picture is still hazy regarding our top priorities heading into the offseason but it's possible that Lance is way down the list of contingency plans.

It's possible that we had near misses on multiple players so far related to Lance

Afflalo (Henderson + 24 rejected)
Stauskas (selected one pick before our first pick at 9)
Hood (selected one pick before our pick at 24)
Hayward (matched by Jazz)

I see significant interest at the shooting guard position with a preference for the swingman who can play both SG + SF. However, that focus on versatility could involve game planning around Gerald Henderson. It's much tougher to accommodate Henderson considering Lance has played SG his whole career. Possibly Cho might be still trying to trade him. Where are Lance + Henderson + Hairston going to get their minutes?

Whatever the case, looking at that list, this could be the offseason of near misses.

Hopefully Cho adds a big piece, either Lance or Dion Waiters.

[LofJ]

If we sign Lance then Henderson is definitely getting moved. We'd be asking for trouble with those two competing for minutes.

[MasterIchiro]

If we sign Lance then Henderson is definitely getting moved. We'd be asking for trouble with those two competing for minutes.

Do you think Cho has the ability to line up a Henderson trade?

[LofJ]

If we sign Lance then Henderson is definitely getting moved. We'd be asking for trouble with those two competing for minutes.

Do you think Cho has the ability to line up a Henderson trade?

To bring back something decent for him? I doubt it. He'll have to attach a pick to him and send him to a team like the 76'ers.

[MasterIchiro]

If we sign Lance then Henderson is definitely getting moved. We'd be asking for trouble with those two competing for minutes.

Do you think Cho has the ability to line up a Henderson trade?

To bring back something decent for him? I doubt it. He'll have to attach a pick to him and send him to a team like the 76'ers.

I see, basically pay to open up minutes. I think it has to be done regardless. There needs to be wiggle room next year to extend Kemba. Neal coming off the books is not enough. Speaking of Neal, I think he stays because Hairston is someone you make do hard time before letting him loose. You really have to make him earn every minute before he would settle in as a 6th man behind Lance.

[LofJ]

Do you think Cho has the ability to line up a Henderson trade?

To bring back something decent for him? I doubt it. He'll have to attach a pick to him and send him to a team like the 76'ers.

I see, basically pay to open up minutes. I think it has to be done regardless. There needs to be wiggle room next year to extend Kemba. Neal coming off the books is not enough. Speaking of Neal, I think he stays because Hairston is someone you make do hard time before letting him loose. You really have to make him earn every minute before he would settle in as a 6th man behind Lance.

Agreed, if we move Henderson I don't see any reason not to keep Neal around. He's a good locker room guy and he'll make PJ work for his minutes, which is what he should have to do.

[BobsBuddy]

I have posted my feelings on Lance,but just maybe he could be signed by another team and help us in a deal where we land another teams 2 guard that would help us spread the floor?
Since he is an unrestricted FA a team like Boston or NYK or DAL maybe interested? Stephenson would do well for them.
Boston would not need James Young if they had LS. NYK would not need Tim Hardaway Jr. DAL would not need
Monte Ellis

[LofJ]

Out of those I'd definitely take Ellis, I doubt Boston would send us Young. Hardaway is too similar to Hairston to make it worth it.

[DY_nasty]

I'd be shocked if Henderson went anywhere at this point. Steve Clifford and Cho both talked him up as a integral part of the team during the SL interviews.

[MasterIchiro]

Cho tried to dump him (and 24) for Afflalo.

[Hornet Mania]

If we sign Lance then Hendo has to be moved eventually, but not immediately. It all depends on how Clifford and the staff feel about Hairston. If they think Hairston needs big minutes right away then Hendo should be moved asap. If they think Hairston will be a sieve on D and unrepentant chucker until he spends some time on the bench watching professionals do their jobs then maybe we move Hendo a month or two into the year.

Henderson isn't total garbage. It's definitely reasonable to assume he is likely an overall better player than Hairston at this moment. I don't think there's any need to throw the rook into a situation where the coaching staff is afraid he'll crash and burn just because Hendo is super mediocre.

I also suspect it may be easier to find a taker for Hendo closer to the All-Star break. There will be a bunch of teams jockeying for playoff position and someone will have need for a veteran wing with a good head on his shoulders and starting experience. Right now it seems like every team wants to either gobble up high-potential guys or make a big splash. That phase will pass as the immediacy of "win or you get fired" begins to take hold. That is when Hendo's value will be highest. That is to say, we might be able to get a useless expiring plus a 2nd rounder for him.

[mross16]

If we sign Lance then Henderson is definitely getting moved. We'd be asking for trouble with those two competing for minutes.

Do you think Cho has the ability to line up a Henderson trade?

Long time lurker...first time poster. This forum gets me through long days in the office

Question: Is there anyway that we could work out a sign and trade with Indy sending Hendo and someone else to the Pacers for Lance? I think the Pacers would be the perfect team for Hendo.

[LofJ]

I'd be shocked if Henderson went anywhere at this point. Steve Clifford and Cho both talked him up as a integral part of the team during the SL interviews.

Ugh

[Liver_Pooty]

I'd be shocked if Henderson went anywhere at this point. Steve Clifford and Cho both talked him up as a integral part of the team during the SL interviews.

Yeah, Clifford even said something along the lines of Henderson breaking out or something this season.

Prepare to be disappointed Clifford.

[Liver_Pooty]

If we sign Lance then Henderson is definitely getting moved. We'd be asking for trouble with those two competing for minutes.

Do you think Cho has the ability to line up a Henderson trade?

Long time lurker...first time poster. This forum gets me through long days in the office

Question: Is there anyway that we could work out a sign and trade with Indy sending Hendo and someone else to the Pacers for Lance? I think the Pacers would be the perfect team for Hendo.

Possibility. Not sure what we would have to give up though.

[mrknowitall215]

Henderson is like a stain in your favorite pair of jeans that you can't get rid of, but it's placed in a area where it's not that visible, so you continue to wear the jeans with the stain until you can afford to buy a new pair of favorite jeans