Fake Trade Thread #3

[Braggins]

I wouldn't want to trade any 1st round picks for older dudes when the most talented player on the team is 19 years old.

[bravor]

Even if he is a clear upgrade (and better defensively than what he was labeled with couple years ago), he is already 30.

How old is Gordo again?

Vuc has never had any athleticism anyway. He's Al Jefferson with a jump shot.

Well worth bringing in for the 2.5 years he has left on his very fair deal

i am not opposed to the idea of bringing a vet with draft compensation because of his age/bad contract. But from a team building perspective, it makes much more sense to find the go to guy inside the paint - even if PJ finally takes the next step - for the years to come.

Hayward is fine but i rank him among the transitional players. Knowing he technically cost 30+9M/y for the next 3 years. And The cap situation will be impacted by the contract extensions.

Even with Vucevic in (knowing it would cost Zeller/Rozier+some picks most likely), you dont move the needle that much, even in the East. Draft another star in the making in the next couple of drafts and that's another (promising) story.
In other words, if Ball is really legit, the Hornets might a chance to contend in a few years, as long as they dont mess up the rebuilding process. And most of the growing teams have had patience (and some had better luck with # of picks) and have around 2/3 real all star potential (or already all star players).

[JMAC3]

Seems like everyone available is either a backup who doesn't really make a big difference or if they are worth trading for, we will have to overpay for. With so much cap space this summer, I think we will have much better options at that point.

[geraldwallace]

Any John Collins deals? Hawks are taking offers on him

[Rich4114]

What kind of package would it take to get KAT? Wolves can’t win with him and maybe he demands a trade this year. I’m just picturing Ball with a stud big man on the roster.

[SWedd523]

Any John Collins deals? Hawks are taking offers on him

Graham, Monk, Miles are all pieces i could easily move from

[amcoolio]

Any John Collins deals? Hawks are taking offers on him

I'd be hesitant to max contract him and he's demanding it

[countryboi]

Any John Collins deals? Hawks are taking offers on him

I'd be hesitant to max contract him and he's demanding it

is he not exactly the player we need?

[-Ian-]

What kind of package would it take to get KAT? Wolves can’t win with him and maybe he demands a trade this year. I’m just picturing Ball with a stud big man on the roster.

His defense prevents me from being fully on board the KAT train.

[amcoolio]

Any John Collins deals? Hawks are taking offers on him

I'd be hesitant to max contract him and he's demanding it

is he not exactly the player we need?

Short armed, undersized, not worth 25 million a year plus, no thanks

Would rather draft a center and develop or get someone like McGee or Jaxon Hayes cheap

[Lockdown D]

Any John Collins deals? Hawks are taking offers on him

I'd be hesitant to max contract him and he's demanding it

is he not exactly the player we need?

I definitely would trade for him.
-He is perfect fit next to Melo on offense. a PF that can shoot and catch lobs
-I see PJ as a good role player, but doesn't have the size/athleticism to be more than that. Collins has lots of potential.
-We obviously are not in tank mode, so no way we trade Hayward or Terry. Hayward will be old by the time Melo hits his prime. So we still need to add another young player with all-star potential to pair with Melo. I don't see any of our other young guys with that potential. Given this scenario, I think our best move is to consolidate talent by packaging young guys and draft pick(s).
-I'd rather add young talent now then make moves to address needs like center.

[James Gatz]

What kind of package would it take to get KAT? Wolves can’t win with him and maybe he demands a trade this year. I’m just picturing Ball with a stud big man on the roster.

It would start with LaMelo so I don't see us making that move. I'd love to have KAT but unless we luck into the 1st pick in 2021 we don't have the ammo to go get him.


Collins I'm not super bullish on. I like him as a player but I don't think he is worth max money and we definitely get it anywhere he gets traded. If we really think he's worth it then we should put out an offer sheet and not give up any assets.

[LofJ]

We should just go out and get Bamba. It's ridiculous that the Magic are content to let him rot on the bench behind Vucevic and Birch.

[Rich4114]

We should just go out and get Bamba. It's ridiculous that the Magic are content to let him rot on the bench behind Vucevic and Birch.

Lol Clifford. That’s not a bad idea and his value is driven into the ground.

[HornetJail]

We should just go out and get Bamba. It's ridiculous that the Magic are content to let him rot on the bench behind Vucevic and Birch.

as long as it doesn't cost anything. Letting them off the hook for his $7M next season should be value enough. Maybe throw them our late 2nds. imo Bamba is currently a worse player than Biz and is gonna be out of the league in 2-3 years. Till then he's worth tryouts on his crazy length alone.

[KembaWalker]

still think we could save whatever little asset Bamba would cost by just trying Carey. They both seem pretty bad but if we're gonna throw out a raw, untested guy that still basically needs to learn the game I'd rather it be our 19 year old guy over the 22 year old

[MPM]

Bamba is the type of gamble we should take if, and only if, he can be had for cheap. Undervalued, underutilized, untapped. Someone on the general board just posted his per 36, for whatever bench-guy per 36 is worth:

20.6ppg
15.4 rpg
2.8 bpg
.565 true shooting
23.6 PER

Regardless, playing a mediocre vet like Khem Birch over Bamba on a hopeless Magic team is undoubtedly a Cliffy type of move. Feels very Jason Maxiell. Can diminish the value of prospects which makes for good trade fodder.

EDIT - and this isn't a huge knock on Cliffy. As much as any coach I've seen, Cliff has a short-term laser focus on winning games even if it runs counter to long-term franchise success, so playing Birch over Bamba isn't surprising - just indicative of his lack of concern about player/franchise development.

[stinger14]

Bamba is the type of gamble we should take if, and only if, he can be had for cheap. Undervalued, underutilized, untapped. Someone on the general board just posted his per 36, for whatever bench-guy per 36 is worth:

20.6ppg
15.4 rpg
2.8 bpg
.565 true shooting
23.6 PER

Regardless, playing a mediocre vet like Khem Birch over Bamba on a hopeless Magic team is undoubtedly a Cliffy type of move. Feels very Jason Maxiell. Can diminish the value of prospects which makes for good trade fodder.

EDIT - and this isn't a huge knock on Cliffy. As much as any coach I've seen, Cliff has a short-term laser focus on winning games even if it runs counter to long-term franchise success, so playing Birch over Bamba isn't surprising - just indicative of his lack of concern about player/franchise development.

I would absolutely like to give Bamba a chance for the right deal.

[MPM]

Any John Collins deals? Hawks are taking offers on him

Seems the Hawks are looking for a lottery pick for him. If you think our current record isn't fools gold - that we may float around the 8-12 range for a few years, which may be the case with Hayward/Rozier and the fast-track emergence of Ball, I'd consider it (but not necessarily do it). It's tricky - he's a RFA that wants the max, the idea of which I hate, but he's also a 23 year old that scores, rebounds like a mofo and is shooting 39% from three - a guaranteed All-Star(ish) long term answer at PF - which makes a lot of sense alongside Ball especially if the idea is to just plug in a serviceable (relatively affordable) defensive big at center at some point.

Color me conflicted.

[Rays Pompadour]

Well, looks like Drummond is back on the block. The Cavs are holding him out pending a trade. Doesn't look like they have a deal in place, which makes the timing of all this kind of strange, but whatever - Drummond's available. If memory serves, Charlotte entertained trading for him in the recent past. Might they again be interested? Should they pursue a trade for a 27 year old center who will be unrestricted this summer?

I don't favor a rental, even if it's a low cost trade. The Hornets simply MUST learn from the Batum albatross. But I do favor trading for Drummond if he agreed to a reasonable contract extension and the return to Cleveland is no greater than Terry Rozier and a second round pick. I think Charlotte has the cap space to absorb the difference in salaries.

Drummond would provide an instant upgrade at a critical position, one of weakness for the Hornets. Would the Hornets remain on the treadmill even with Drummond on board? Would losing Rozier be a net loss with the subtraction of his shooting, toughness and playmaking? How would Charlotte compensate for the loss of Rozier? Graham, a Martin? Is this the kind of trade the Hornets have to make to build a sustained winner? Or should they stay put and hope Richards, Carey or a future pick pans out? Or maybe even look to sign Drummond this summer (if he doesn't sign an extension with a trading team)?

I don't really expect the Hornets to make a serious offer for Drummond. He's pricey and he thinks he's a guard sometimes. I think they'll take a look, maybe even make a phone call or two, then pass.

Drummond checks a whole lot of boxes, though. Shure would be nice to not to have to apologize for a significant deficiency in rebounding every game. Also would be nice to have a decent matchup to the behemoths in the East.