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Re: 2011 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#961 » by Charlottehoops » Sat Apr 16, 2011 4:17 pm

SWEDD523 wrote:Kemba "falls" to nine? God help the fool that drafts him that high.


That comment is premature. Let's wait for his predraft physical. If this kid is 6'0 tall getting into the paint creating offense like he does number nine is low. If he is 5'8 or something like that then I agree with you.

BigSlam wrote:Is it just me or does Bitchsmack sound like Emeka Okafor if Emeka Okafor played with aggression?


Come on Slam, Mek is 6'9 in socks and averaged 18pts his senior year. This kid would shoot up the charts if he measures 6'9 in shoes, and he isn't even averaging 10. While I admit he is intrigueing I don't see more agressive Emeka. I see a shorter Diop.

ohara wrote:If we get both Kanter and Hamilton in the 1st round, it will be a very very productive draft for us. I would likely crap myself for joy.
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Re: 2011 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#962 » by SWedd523 » Sat Apr 16, 2011 4:18 pm

I don't think it's premature at all. 6'0" is still tiny for a SG.
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Post#963 » by Charlottehoops » Sat Apr 16, 2011 4:24 pm

SWEDD523 wrote:I don't think it's premature at all. 6'0" is still tiny for a SG.



???? You do know that Uconn just played Kemba off the ball, because of the emergence of their freshman point, and it allowed Kemba to score more. Kemba is a pointguard in the nba.
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Post#964 » by SWedd523 » Sat Apr 16, 2011 4:34 pm

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SWEDD523 wrote:I don't think it's premature at all. 6'0" is still tiny for a SG.



???? You do know that Uconn just played Kemba off the ball, because of the emergence of their freshman point, and it allowed Kemba to score more. Kemba is a pointguard in the nba.

lol you mean Shabazz Napier? You do know I've seen Kemba play in over 50 games right? You do also know that the emergence of Napier came AFTER they moved Kemba off the ball, not before?



Kemba was far more productive playing off the ball in college because he is much more of a volume scorer and doesn't have the court vision that a PG should exhibit by his 20th birthday. The only reason you call him a PG is because he's a midget. If height was no issue, he'd be an off ball guard. Anytime I saw him play PG for any stretch of time, he would throw the ball into traffic or out of bounds, force ball shots, and get tunnel vision.


He's too small to get his shot off against taller guards off the dribble so he's forced to play off ball and he's too small to guard any other PG that has a height/size advantage on him. He's also not a good shooter with his feet set so that limits his effectiveness when he plays off the ball (which he'll have to do in the NBA).


He's no better than DJ was when he was coming out of school.
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Re: 2011 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#965 » by Jaruff » Sat Apr 16, 2011 6:35 pm

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Jaruff wrote:Didn't Avery Johnson coach Diop in Dallas? If so, this trade makes sense for both sides.

????

That's like suggesting that once Larry Clown lands on another team he would want to trade for Diop because he coached him on the Bobcats.


Larry Brown would actually do this if the owner let him. :lol:

I guess a better way to put it; a physical, defense player like Diop is an Avery player. Petro hasn't worked out for them. Switch apples for apples and see if the new apple is better than the old apple.
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Re: 2011 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#966 » by Charlottehoops » Sat Apr 16, 2011 6:48 pm

Wow! You have seen Kemba play in over 50 games? I thought that I was a HARDCORE Duke, but I haven't seen them play 50 times the last three years. Maybe thirty. Either way I don't disagree with you. I have only seen K Drama play about 8 times. In those games I saw him turn the ball over, but he seemed to get more assists than turnovers. I am also sure that DJ didn't aveage 23 ppg coming out of college.
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Re: 2011 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#967 » by SWedd523 » Sat Apr 16, 2011 6:55 pm

Charlottehoops wrote:Wow! You have seen Kemba play in over 50 games? I thought that I was a HARDCORE Duke, but I haven't seen them play 50 times the last three years. Maybe thirty. Either way I don't disagree with you. I have only seen K Drama play about 8 times. In those games I saw him turn the ball over, but he seemed to get more assists than turnovers. I am also sure that DJ didn't aveage 23 ppg coming out of college.

I watch more college basketball than I know what to do with. Every major tourney from the Maui to the NIT gets watched. Big time conference games get watched. Every Tar Heel game gets watched. etc.


I've said many, many times that Kemba is being overvauled, but I've also said that Kemba can be a great player in the right system. If you want to bring him in and pull a Westbrook (i.e. turn him into a PG) then you're going to struggle because he doesn't have the elite size and athleticism that Russ has.


He also doesn't have the pure PG qualities you look to as a foundation to build upon. Can he dish a fair amount of assists? Yes. But if you watch him, it's largely a product of him demanding so much attention on the offensive end of the floor. In the NBA where guys will be able to mark him 1-on-1, he won't be able to find the open man as easily.

He's also far too small to play his natural position--SG. If he was 6'3 to 6'4 he'd be a top 3 pick. As it stands though, his most obvious future is to be a super 6th man a la Terry or JR Smith that comes in and bombs some shots to spark the offense. You never, however, want to depend on him to be the main facilitator of your offense, whether it be dishing the rock or taking 20 shots.
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Re: 2011 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#968 » by Charlottehoops » Sat Apr 16, 2011 7:29 pm

Personally if we were looking to replace DJ as the starter I think that we should be looking in to trading all the way up for Kyrie. What I really think though is that we should be looking for another JRich type deal for an established nba scorer. Maybe homeboy that I mentioned in another thread...Danny Grainger?
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Re: 2011 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#969 » by SWedd523 » Sat Apr 16, 2011 7:48 pm

If the team is looking to replace DJ then they'd be much better off with Knight than Kemba
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Post#970 » by Charlottehoops » Sat Apr 16, 2011 8:54 pm

Maybe I kind of think Knight is overrated too. I think that he is an Andre Miller clone.
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Post#971 » by Marvel » Sat Apr 16, 2011 9:22 pm

SWEDD523 wrote:If Biyombo is SO good, why is he just now, a couple of months before the draft, shooting up the boards?


That alone is enough to scare me off.


No prospect would make a top 10 impact in the draft, playing in the Euro league, coming off the bench averaging 16mpg. His performance at the Hoop Summit has accelerated his value. Scouts are salivating over his potential, quick development, body, motor, blah blah blah...

I don't wanna sound like i'm huggin his nuts, but i'm done trying to explain BB, i'll just wait till he "Bitchsmack's" yall in the jaw when he explodes on the scene with his play on an NBA court, or, in workouts.
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Re: 2011 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#972 » by Jaruff » Sat Apr 16, 2011 9:43 pm

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SWEDD523 wrote:If Biyombo is SO good, why is he just now, a couple of months before the draft, shooting up the boards?


That alone is enough to scare me off.


No prospect would make a top 10 impact in the draft, playing in the Euro league, coming off the bench averaging 16mpg. His performance at the Hoop Summit has accelerated his value. Scouts are salivating over his potential, quick development, body, motor, blah blah blah...

I don't wanna sound like i'm huggin his nuts, but i'm done trying to explain BB, i'll just wait till he "Bitchsmack's" yall in the jaw when he explodes on the scene with his play on an NBA court, or, in workouts.


If we're taking a risk on him, I hope he's ready to play center.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Bis ... ombo-5902/

Bismack Biyombo
Weight: 243 lbs.
Height (w/o shoes): 6'7.75"
Height (w/ shoes): 6'9"
Wing Span: 7'7"
Body Fat: 4.8%
Standing Reach: 9'3"


He's terminated his contract in Spain so he's likely committed to playing in the US next season. Unless he can play center consistently, I don't see the need for him. We already have Tyrus Thomas.

Diaw/Thomas/White/Biyombo
Brown/Biyombo?/Diop

A Frenchman who wants to be a point guard, three defensive specialists, one wildcard with small hands, and Carl Landry Jr.

That's really going to solve our scoring problems in the post.
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Re: 2011 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#973 » by Badd_Intentions » Sat Apr 16, 2011 10:13 pm

Charlottehoops wrote:Maybe I kind of think Knight is overrated too. I think that he is an Andre Miller clone.


Wow I see ZERO Andre Miller in Knight. Knight actually as the ability to get off as a scorer. Miller likes to bully his man around as he's a big PG. He likes to back down his man, also bully his way into the lane and dish assists. Knight is more of a scoring PG, has a better stroke now than Miller ever will. Miller is nowhere in the neighborhood of Knights range.
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Re: 2011 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#974 » by SWedd523 » Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:29 pm

Marvel wrote:
SWEDD523 wrote:If Biyombo is SO good, why is he just now, a couple of months before the draft, shooting up the boards?


That alone is enough to scare me off.


No prospect would make a top 10 impact in the draft, playing in the Euro league, coming off the bench averaging 16mpg. His performance at the Hoop Summit has accelerated his value. Scouts are salivating over his potential, quick development, body, motor, blah blah blah...

I don't wanna sound like i'm huggin his nuts, but i'm done trying to explain BB, i'll just wait till he "Bitchsmack's" yall in the jaw when he explodes on the scene with his play on an NBA court, or, in workouts.


You don't get what I'm saying.


Why are they just now salivating over his yadda yadda? Why not a month ago? A year ago? Did he just now, these past two weeks, turn into a great prospect?
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Post#975 » by Marvel » Sun Apr 17, 2011 12:44 am

Why are they just now salivating over his yadda yadda? Why not a month ago? A year ago? Did he just now, these past two weeks, turn into a great prospect?


http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Bismack-Biyombos-Long-Journey--3672
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Re: 2011 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#976 » by BigSlam » Sun Apr 17, 2011 1:20 am

SWEDD523 wrote:Perry announced he is going back to school

I totally forgot about that! Back to the drawing board for me then. Might just wait until we know exactly who is in and who is out before updating my mock. It becomes too much of a pain in the arse otherwise.
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Re: 2011 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#977 » by SWedd523 » Sun Apr 17, 2011 2:29 am

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Re: 2011 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#978 » by Charlottehoops » Mon Apr 18, 2011 1:36 am

Badd_Intentions wrote:
Charlottehoops wrote:Maybe I kind of think Knight is overrated too. I think that he is an Andre Miller clone.


Wow I see ZERO Andre Miller in Knight. Knight actually as the ability to get off as a scorer. Miller likes to bully his man around as he's a big PG. He likes to back down his man, also bully his way into the lane and dish assists. Knight is more of a scoring PG, has a better stroke now than Miller ever will. Miller is nowhere in the neighborhood of Knights range.


You are talking about Andre Miller in the nba. I am talking about Andre Miller at Utah. Neither of us know what kind of pro Knight will be. All we know is the game that we have seen at Kentucky. Every guard with nba calibre can stroke it in college. It is a different ball game in the nba when the three point line is further back, and stronger quicker defenders are in their face.
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Re: 2011 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#979 » by SWedd523 » Mon Apr 18, 2011 1:42 am

Andre never shot better than 33.3% and never made more than 22 threes in college. Knight shot 37.7% and made 83 his freshman year.


In fact, in his one year, he made far more threes than Miller did his entire (three year) career.
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Re: 2011 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#980 » by countryboi » Mon Apr 18, 2011 1:31 pm

well its official barnes is staying..... this draft sucks

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