2015-16 Fake Trade Thread

Post #961 » by **yosemiteben** » Fri Jul 24, 2015 3:46 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:I used to have a fixation on us trading for John Henson from the Bucks, but nowadays I wonder what it'll take to pry Terrence Jones from the Rockets

Would the goal be to play him at the five?

catch20two · Post #962 » by **catch20two** » Fri Jul 24, 2015 5:59 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:How about Cody + PJ + Marvin for Dieng + Muhammad + Kevin Martin?

Kemba
Martin
MKG
Batum
Kaminsky

Lin
Lamb
Muhammad
Hansborough/Hawes
Al/Dieng

That would be a great trade in Charlotte favor. I don't see how or why Minnesota would accept. It's extremely lopsided
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Lopsided?!?!?!? WTF are you talking about I only cost them 17 wins and gave us 11. perfectly fair.

KIA don't understand the powerful hidden value that Cody has. If you ask me we're giving them too much.

mrknowitall215 · Post #963 » by **mrknowitall215** » Fri Jul 24, 2015 6:07 pm

yosemiteben wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:I used to have a fixation on us trading for John Henson from the Bucks, but nowadays I wonder what it'll take to pry Terrence Jones from the Rockets

Would the goal be to play him at the five?

The goal would be to play him at PF. He would be the best PF on our roster if we acquired him

mrknowitall215 · Post #964 » by **mrknowitall215** » Fri Jul 24, 2015 6:10 pm

catch20two wrote:KIA don't understand the powerful hidden value that Cody has. If you ask me we're giving them too much.

I overstand the "powerful hidden value" that has a mysterious calculation that Cody Zeller has. I would do that trade that 'MasterIchiro' proposed without hesitation

Post #965 » by **yosemiteben** » Fri Jul 24, 2015 6:13 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:I used to have a fixation on us trading for John Henson from the Bucks, but nowadays I wonder what it'll take to pry Terrence Jones from the Rockets

Would the goal be to play him at the five?

The goal would be to play him at PF. He would be the best PF on our roster if we acquired him

Would your goal be to have him be a volume 3PT shooter some day? Because in HOU he only averages about one 3PTA per game and his percentages aren't great, though they've improved every year.

mrknowitall215 · Post #966 » by **mrknowitall215** » Fri Jul 24, 2015 6:33 pm

yosemiteben wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:Would the goal be to play him at the five?

The goal would be to play him at PF. He would be the best PF on our roster if we acquired him

Would your goal be to have him be a volume 3PT shooter some day? Because in HOU he only averages about one 3PTA per game and his percentages aren't great, though they've improved every year.

I wouldn't need for him to be a volume 3-point shooter at PF as long as he know how to score. Terrence Jones would know how to score. Regardless, he's a better range shooter than Zeller now and shall continue to be as he improves

Post #967 » by **yosemiteben** » Fri Jul 24, 2015 6:40 pm

Meh, when Jones was in his second season and was as old as Zeller was last season, he shot 30.5% from three on 1.3 attempts. I think Zeller easily could have done that, we just haven't wanted him to in the past.

He probably is a better perimeter shooter now (we won't really know for sure until we see Zeller actually have some 3PTAs under his belt), but I don't think it's enough to offset the difference in defensive impact between him and Zeller.

I don't see him as much of an upgrade, if any.

mrknowitall215 · Post #968 » by **mrknowitall215** » Fri Jul 24, 2015 7:34 pm

yosemiteben wrote:I don't see him as much of an upgrade, if any.

Major upgrade in every statistical facet

Post #969 » by **yosemiteben** » Fri Jul 24, 2015 7:44 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:I don't see him as much of an upgrade, if any.

Major upgrade in every statistical facet

They have the same DRTG though Jones has significantly worse ORPM, DRPM, and WAR numbers, basically the same rebounding numbers, and Jones is a far inferior FT shooter by %.

catch20two · Post #970 » by **catch20two** » Fri Jul 24, 2015 7:52 pm

yosemiteben wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:I don't see him as much of an upgrade, if any.

Major upgrade in every statistical facet

They have the same DRTG though Jones has significantly worse ORPM, DRPM, and WAR numbers, basically the same rebounding numbers, and Jones is a far inferior FT shooter by %.

What numbers you looking at? Lol

Post #971 » by **yosemiteben** » Fri Jul 24, 2015 7:53 pm

catch20two wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:
Major upgrade in every statistical facet

They have the same DRTG though Jones has significantly worse ORPM, DRPM, and WAR numbers, basically the same rebounding numbers, and Jones is a far inferior FT shooter by %.

What numbers you looking at? Lol

Are you saying you tried but couldn't find those numbers? They aren't exactly hidden on the internet.

Braggins · Post #972 » by **Braggins** » Fri Jul 24, 2015 8:20 pm

What do the predictive stats say about Jones vs Zeller?

catch20two · Post #973 » by **catch20two** » Fri Jul 24, 2015 8:35 pm

Braggins wrote:What do the predictive stats say about Jones vs Zeller?

TJ is waaaaaay better than Cody. That's what every stat tell me. I find it funny that all of a sudden FG% don't matter in this debate when it's used against Kemba all the time. TJ is a 53% shooter to Zeller's 44%. TJ has w 57 TS% to Zeller's 53 TS%. TJ has a 55 eFG% to Zeller's 44 eFG%. TJ has a career 19 PER to Zeller's 14. It's really not close.

Post #974 » by **yosemiteben** » Fri Jul 24, 2015 8:40 pm

It would basically be sacrificing defense for offense.

It's obviously false that Jones would be a major upgrade in every statistical metric (as I already pointed out), but yes he would be an upgrade in some offensive ones.

Braggins · Post #975 » by **Braggins** » Fri Jul 24, 2015 10:38 pm

Maybe if Sacramento implodes we can steal Rudy Gay from them and use him as a PF. Al's expiring contract matches and we could add a 1st round pick for their troubles.

Kemba/Lin/Roberts
Batum/Daniels/PJ
MKG/Lamb/Marv
Gay/Frank/Hans
Cody/Hawes

Post #976 » by **yosemiteben** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 3:35 am

Does anyone really want to trade Roberts? I know he's expensive for a 3rd PG, but if Lin or Kemba goes down I still feel really nervous about anyone else we'd have to plug in at PG.

I don't think PJ is going anywhere - Cliff has said many times that he thinks PJ has starter potential, and the timing of the Jumpman sponsorship seems odd if they are considering moving him.

If there is a trade, I suppose Marvin + Roberts for a bigger wing would make the most sense. To make that work, given that we are over the cap, we would need to be looking at someone in the $9M - $13M range. Guys that fit that criteria and are remotely obtainable - Jeff Green, Alec Burks, Deng... maybe we throw the dice and include some picks and see if we can get SAC to bite on trading Rudy Gay if SAC struggles? Seems unlikely.

LofJ · Post #977 » by **LofJ** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 4:14 am

A lot of people on the Bulls board want to move Joakim Noah. They think his knees are shot and he's done. They also don't think he'll fit in Hoiberg's system. I think the injury concerns are a bit of an exaggeration, but I do think his days as a high impact 35+ minute a game starter are probably over. That said we wouldn't need him to play that much, so I'd be all for trading for him. Roberts and Marvin works, but I imagine Chicago would want some additional incentive. That's where I draw a blank though because I don't think Noah is worth giving up a first for, and I doubt a 2nd round pick is enough. A straight swap of Al for him would be ideal, but I doubt Chicago would be interested.

Still though this lineup would be almost perfectly balanced:

Kemba/Lin
Batum/Lamb
MKG/Hairston
Kaminsky/Zeller
Noah/Hawes

Mystical Apples · Post #978 » by **Mystical Apples** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 4:28 am

I think roberts will be kept unless he's part of a bigger deal. Most teams don't need to clear cap space for next year so the expiring contracts like Williams are less valuable than usual.

If there's a homerun trade on the horizon then Roberts would be good to have as backup in the event a pg in front of him is traded.

Vanderbilt_Grad · Post #979 » by **Vanderbilt_Grad** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:52 am

yosemiteben wrote:Does anyone really want to trade Roberts? I know he's expensive for a 3rd PG, but if Lin or Kemba goes down I still feel really nervous about anyone else we'd have to plug in at PG.

I don't think PJ is going anywhere - Cliff has said many times that he thinks PJ has starter potential, and the timing of the Jumpman sponsorship seems odd if they are considering moving him.

If there is a trade, I suppose Marvin + Roberts for a bigger wing would make the most sense. To make that work, given that we are over the cap, we would need to be looking at someone in the $9M - $13M range. Guys that fit that criteria and are remotely obtainable - Jeff Green, Alec Burks, Deng... maybe we throw the dice and include some picks and see if we can get SAC to bite on trading Rudy Gay if SAC struggles? Seems unlikely.

I'm fine with trading Roberts, but I don't see any point in the team trying to move him. As you mention he's good insurance against injury. On the flip side I'm OK with having just Harrison in that role. The team would have a drop off in the case of injury, but I like the idea of having a young guy learning in that 3rd PG role.

MJ and PJ probably don't think so, but I still think that Charlotte isn't a great situation for him off the court. In any event PJ has marginal value at this point so I think it's a moot point. If he's traded it's because his salary helps make a deal work, not because someone wants him that much IMHO.

I honestly don't know what further deals they make at this point. Consolidating talent and upgrading at a position would make sense but are many of the guys rumored to be available really worth it at this point?

Snidely FC · Post #980 » by **Snidely FC** » Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:22 pm

Kemba + Troy Daniels to MIA for Luol Deng + Mario Chalmers?