Miles Bridges Arrested: Felony Domestic Violence, Wife Speaks Pg.85

[SWedd523]

That's wild, I didn't know generally meant always.

Even using Kemba as an example, he was never good enough to be the best player on a contender, so you aren't exactly disproving my point

[BigSlam]

I’d say the opposite is generally true.

It generally takes more than 2 years to know what you’re looking at.

Generally speaking that is.

[SWedd523]

That should generally be a fun game. Let me get back to a computer and I'll go down the general all-nba lists and see how many of them generally took beyond 2 years to show they had star potential

Generally speaking of course

[Liver_Pooty]

Kyle Lowry, Khris Middleton, Paul Millsap, Kemba, maybe even JJ Redick, John Starks, Ben Wallace, Detlef Schrempf (go sonics), maybe Sam Cassell? Chauncey Billups, Gary Payton, Steve Nash.

I'm probably wrong on some of these and I get the argument that we need to find the Robin to Lamelos Batman or vice versa, but players can definitely turn into extremely good players after their second year.

Who knows though? Time will tell.

[SWedd523]

Kyle Lowry, Khris Middleton, Paul Millsap, Kemba, maybe even JJ Redick, John Starks, Ben Wallace, Detlef Schrempf (go sonics), maybe Sam Cassell? Chauncey Billups, Gary Payton, Steve Nash.

I'm probably wrong on some of these and I get the argument that we need to find the Robin to Lamelos Batman or vice versa, but players can definitely turn into extremely good players after their second year.

Who knows though? Time will tell.

None of those guys really count as a centerpiece though, excepting Nash, which is my point.

The absolute goal should be to maximize every opportunity to find the second star.

[Liver_Pooty]

Kyle Lowry, Khris Middleton, Paul Millsap, Kemba, maybe even JJ Redick, John Starks, Ben Wallace, Detlef Schrempf (go sonics), maybe Sam Cassell? Chauncey Billups, Gary Payton, Steve Nash.

I'm probably wrong on some of these and I get the argument that we need to find the Robin to Lamelos Batman or vice versa, but players can definitely turn into extremely good players after their second year.

Who knows though? Time will tell.

None of those guys really count as a centerpiece though, excepting Nash, which is my point.

The absolute goal should be to maximize every opportunity to find the second star.

It's just so hard to get the kind of player you're asking for in Charlotte. Unless of course we draft said player. Drafting 2 players of Lamelos caliber is hard. Hell it took us over 2 decades just to do that.

[SWedd523]

Kyle Lowry, Khris Middleton, Paul Millsap, Kemba, maybe even JJ Redick, John Starks, Ben Wallace, Detlef Schrempf (go sonics), maybe Sam Cassell? Chauncey Billups, Gary Payton, Steve Nash.

I'm probably wrong on some of these and I get the argument that we need to find the Robin to Lamelos Batman or vice versa, but players can definitely turn into extremely good players after their second year.

Who knows though? Time will tell.

None of those guys really count as a centerpiece though, excepting Nash, which is my point.

The absolute goal should be to maximize every opportunity to find the second star.

It's just so hard to get the kind of player you're asking for in Charlotte. Unless of course we draft said player. Drafting 2 players of Lamelos caliber is hard. Hell it took us over 2 decades just to do that.

I am 100% aware of AND in agreement with that sentiment.

Which is EXACTLY why I am mega hesitant to dole out 4+ year contracts to just about anyone on the roster, and why I was so negative about the Hayward signing.

Is Miles worth 80 mil over 4 years? I really don't know man, maybe? That's a dangerous hedge.
Is Rozier? Monk? etc?

They are all nice upper mid level role players and they are all generally fun to watch, but all I can do is think about Melo when his rookie deal is up and LA/New York are calling and he's debating between playing with other stars or running it back with the ragtag bunch of scrappy do-goods. We already saw Kemba leave for greener pastures, and Melo is projecting to a much higher level.

I still err on the side of high roster turnover and shorter-term vet deals to keep searching for the Batman.

We are essentially in the same boat as the Pelicans with Zion.

[BigSlam]

He is so much more than just an impressive dunker. This sure was a fun watch:

Watch on YouTube

[Diop]

That should generally be a fun game. Let me get back to a computer and I'll go down the general all-nba lists and see how many of them generally took beyond 2 years to show they had star potential

Generally speaking of course

Steph curry wasn’t that exciting in his first couple of years, that’s why is first contract wasn’t that big

[Snidely FC]

Miles is currently the best in-game dunker in the league shooting 40% from 3 has good size on the wing and just turned 23 last month
I think he's already an exciting sidekick for Lamelo flying up the wing and I'm psyched to see his future continued development alongside Melo

[BigSlam]

Miles is currently the best in-game dunker in the league shooting 40% from 3 has good size on the wing and just turned 23 last month
I think he's already an exciting sidekick for Lamelo flying up the wing and I'm psyched to see his future continued development alongside Melo

I agree.

He might not be a 2nd best player on a team but he’s a super strong #3 IMO.

He shoots it well, he drives it well, he hits his FT’s he rebounds well, he moves the ball, he plays with energy, he defends really well, he’s multi positional, he’s low maintenance, he’s a home grown talent.

He might not be a 25ppg guy, but think he’s an awesome running mate for LaMelo to grow with in that 3rd best player role.

Then we just need to find a 3&D good sized SG who can average 25+ppg as our #2 (to LaMelo being the #1 player).

[SWedd523]

That's IF you assume April is the new normal and he doesn't regress back to his 10/5/1 line that he's been hovering around for 2.5 years. Recency bias is real.

Not very long ago we were all talking about his shockingly low FT rate, his lack of offensive aggression for being so athletic, etc

[yosemiteben]

Posting Miles's splits this season and last season to add to the discussion:

2021 - https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1628970/traditional/
2020 - https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1628970/traditional/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season

Even his pre-ASB numbers this season show a significant improvement from last season, at least with regard to shooting efficiency. That might have something to do with him coming off the bench as opposed to starting, but when he's started this season his numbers are phenomenal.

I'm cautiously optimistic about Miles. My biggest issue with him historically has been mental issues. He gets jammed up on drives with no clear plan, doesn't attack the rim enough, and looks uncertain trying to direct traffic. I think all of these issues have been helped with his development and with him spending more time at PF next to other playmakers. I don't have any reason to believe he can't be the player he is showing himself to be, at least of terms of fit and skill set. It's just that historically he's been so inconsistent that it's hard to be a full believer.

Honestly I feel very similarly about Monk.

[SWedd523]

15/4 October
13/6 November
11/5 December
12/5 January
18/6 February
10/6 March
13/8 December
9/4 January
11/7 February
9/6 March
19/7 April

Thats 9 months of "no way am I giving this guy $20million a year" and two months of "Well well well, what do we have here?"

[Chapelchilla]

All of the naysaying discounts the FACT that the guy only turned 23 last month and has been developing positively. That trend is not going to just end tomorrow. If he gets even a bit better as he grows into his full strength prime and learns even more about how to play winning NBA basketball, he would be a heckuva nice 3rd guy on a very good team with Lamelo and ?. His good attitude in taking on different roles and the highlights that he creates (which directly benefits Lamelo too) are not to be undervalued either.
It's not comparing a random 2 month hot streak in the 9th year of some dudes career as some posters seem to forget. This is natural growth and real talent showing up in the young players trajectory.

[SWedd523]

All of the naysaying discounts the FACT that the guy only turned 23 last month and has been developing positively...It's not comparing a random 2 month hot streak in the 9th year of some dudes career as some posters seem to forget..

...except his splits very clearly do not back that up.

If anything, his numbers this year (prior to April) are worse than his last year. Roughly 10/5 Jan-Mar of 21 vs roughly 12/7 through the same time (not counting his purple February) last year.

There's been little to no upward (statistical) trajectory in his game since the start of his sophomore season.

Does the Hayward signing have an impact? I'm sure it does. But I think we're being a little disingenuous to sit here and pretend like he's had this bubbling under the surface the whole time.

[SWedd523]

While I'm here, big ups to Miles, for real, for finally showing what he should've been doing all along. His outstanding play in April has helped keep the playoff hopes afloat.

I just want new Miles to be the Miles

[GiggitySmalls]

Dudes Ballin. Maybe he's starting to figure it out and the game is slowing down for him.

[yosemiteben]

All of the naysaying discounts the FACT that the guy only turned 23 last month and has been developing positively...It's not comparing a random 2 month hot streak in the 9th year of some dudes career as some posters seem to forget..

...except his splits very clearly do not back that up.

If anything, his numbers this year (prior to April) are worse than his last year. Roughly 10/5 Jan-Mar of 21 vs roughly 12/7 through the same time (not counting his purple February) last year.

There's been little to no upward (statistical) trajectory in his game since the start of his sophomore season.

I don't understand how you can look at those splits and come to this conclusion, unless you ignore his massive improvement in efficiency. I mean look at his splits post-ASB last season, they're truly awful.

Even just pre-ASB he was shooting 44% FG, 34% 3PT. This season pre-ASB he was at 49% FG and 38% 3PT. That seems like meaningful improvement.

[SWedd523]

I mean that's nice and all except his actual on court production hasn't gone up to match so... yay I guess?