Bobcats Picks Discussion (#9, #19, #39)

JMAC3 · Post #981 » by **JMAC3** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:00 am

I think it is more do with if a possible deal comes up for Diaw then he will be available to be traded. You would have to think Diaw would want to be traded to a contender if he had the chance especially considering he is not the most liked player in Charlotte. Basically I do not think that we have a deal in place, but much more preparing ourselves if the situation were to present itself.

bobcats3wallace · Post #982 » by **bobcats3wallace** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:23 am

ohara wrote:Really curious to hear tomorrow how Biyombo does against some of the others we are considering. If he blows up on Defense and shows some reasonable offense around the rim, I can see Cho and company trying to move back a few spots from #9 to try and pick up anothe pick and take him at the end of the lottery. I think the Houston #14 and #23 for #9 would be ideally suited for such a plan. Biyombo would fall to #14, grab him there, and then have #19 and #23. Not saying I would love it, but if they are impressed by him enough, yes, I can see it being done. Especially if he is man handling Tristan, Twin #1 and the like.

Except the whole point of Houston doing that trade was to grab Biyoumbo at 9.

ohara · Post #983 » by **ohara** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:06 am

^^^ I had thought they shifted their focus to Valanciunas. And even with his 1 year delay from getting to the NBA, they are still saying he will likely go Top 10. But he could slide to them at #14. Just kinda hoping they want the deal.

ohara · Post #984 » by **ohara** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:09 am

Wojo tweeting that Kemba is dropping as Toronto (5th) and Detroit(8th) will pass on him. Kemba going to be there at #9. Let the drama begin.

countryboi · Post #985 » by **countryboi** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:10 am

that sounds like some bull....sounds like a smokescreen....i dont know if i even want kemba to fall to us i am kinda BLAH on him

Post #986 » by **BigSlam** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:11 am

Swinging for fences not wise in this draft

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/0 ... s-can.html

Not a fan of articles like this one, especially when they make statements like:

Duke point guard Kyrie Irving and Arizona forward Derrick Williams - will be solid NBA players, but they fall short of the can't-miss impact of a Derrick Rose or Kevin Durant

Both Rose and Durant had CONSIDERABLE question marks about their games going into their drafts. Rose was a shaky shooter at best who choked from the line on more than one big occasion and had questionable pure PG skills.

Durant was considered too physically weak to compete in the NBA and didn't have a true position. People weren't sure if he was a SG a SF or a PF.

I dislike it when people make statements like "can't-miss impact of a Derrick Rose or Kevin Durant" after they have become Derrick Rose or Kevin Durant.

In three years time people might be nut hugging Kemba or Kanter or Burks or Klay or someone like them mentioning them the same way that RB did here or Irving or Williams will be multiple All Stars and people will be saying how "can't miss" they were back in 2011 before the draft.

bobcats3wallace · Post #987 » by **bobcats3wallace** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:30 am

ohara wrote:Wojo tweeting that Kemba is dropping as Toronto (5th) and Detroit(8th) will pass on him. Kemba going to be there at #9. Let the drama begin.

You can say that again. I would still be very surprised if Detroit passes on him considering they NEED a PG. Bilas had an interesting take on Kemba. Basically said that he thinks he will struggle some in the NBA because he is a PG with limited experience and because of the style at which he plays. At Uconn he was primarily a 2 guard, not a true point. He also scored a lot, but for as much as he scored he was a chucker. He shot a very low percentage from 3 at 29 percent. Bilas seemed to think that Kemba would not be best served as a starter but rather as a 6th man off the bench and went on to compare him to Jamal Crawford.

No doubt this team could use a Jamal Crawford type scorer off the bench but i'm a little weary at the fact he shot such a pore percentage from 3 and is a chucker. And I think the reason Detroit and Toronto are passing on him even though they need PG's is because of his lack of experience at PG. If we draft him then MJ and company need to realize he is probably not a starting PG. It's perfectly fine to draft him as that scoring 6 man off the bench, but from what I have heard, read, and seen, he is not going to be an all-star as a pure PG. One thing that does concern me with having him as that type player on this team is the fact that it would be hard to go for stretches with both him and DJ on the floor together because of there size and defense.

Bottom line, I guess I would be fine with Kemba but I think some of the expectations for him are a bit out of this galaxy. He needs to be used right and he needs to develop a more accurate shot. I'm not in the fan club of draft Kemba and trade DJ to put Kemba as a full time PG...I just don't see him becoming that.

Kemba and Vucevic would suffice for me. Perhaps then we could look wing at 39 and look at a Bogdanovic or Jimmy Butler.

Post #988 » by **Diop** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:35 am

Greg Oden was the can't miss of the Durant draft, shows how that sometimes works out.

Bassman · Post #989 » by **Bassman** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:36 am

BigSlam wrote:
Swinging for fences not wise in this draft

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/0 ... s-can.html

Not a fan of articles like this one, especially when they make statements like:

Duke point guard Kyrie Irving and Arizona forward Derrick Williams - will be solid NBA players, but they fall short of the can't-miss impact of a Derrick Rose or Kevin Durant

Both Rose and Durant had CONSIDERABLE question marks about their games going into their drafts. Rose was a shaky shooter at best who choked from the line on more than one big occasion and had questionable pure PG skills.

Durant was considered too physically weak to compete in the NBA and didn't have a true position. People weren't sure if he was a SG a SF or a PF.

I dislike it when people make statements like "can't-miss impact of a Derrick Rose or Kevin Durant" after they have become Derrick Rose or Kevin Durant.

In three years time people might be nut hugging Kemba or Kanter or Burks or Klay or someone like them mentioning them the same way that RB did here or Irving or Williams will be multiple All Stars and people will be saying how "can't miss" they were back in 2011 before the draft.

TOTALLY AGREE SLAM. I mark this up as the "...annual official PRE-DRAFT BS line that the Bobcats front office wants to put out there so they feed it to Bonnell..." propaganda. I know the logic is reasonable given the nature of this draft, but frankly, it's hard to "swing for the fences" unless you trade into the top 2 or 3 spots. To me, I'm more concerned about swinging for a guy who impresses in potential but has never demonstrated results that are worthy of a lottery pick.

Post #990 » by **fatlever** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:42 am

Sachmo wrote:Greg Oden was the can't miss of the Durant draft, shows how that sometimes works out.

i was on the durant over oden train from day one. i never cursed durant. and granted i dont watch as much college hoops anymore compared to some of you, but i swear i knew durant was going to be a freaking monster, same with blake griffin. i am not that confident about williams. i still see him as more of a 17 and 8 guy. good but not great.

Post #991 » by **fatlever** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:44 am

i just want the bobcats to really trust their bball instincts. dont take a guy at 9 because he is high on everyone else's list. cho, higgins, silas, and MJ they have had a chance to watch all these guys, some twice. go with your gut and take the two players that just make you feel good about them.

SWedd523 · Post #992 » by **SWedd523** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:51 am

You could tell Blake was going to be a monster.

I remember coming on here saying he should be the #1 pick, his FRESHMAN year. Then he went and hurt his knee and ended up being #1 the next year.

Post #993 » by **BigSlam** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 3:01 am

fatlever wrote:
Sachmo wrote:Greg Oden was the can't miss of the Durant draft, shows how that sometimes works out.

i was on the durant over oden train from day one. i never cursed durant. and granted i dont watch as much college hoops anymore compared to some of you, but i swear i knew durant was going to be a freaking monster, same with blake griffin. i am not that confident about williams. i still see him as more of a 17 and 8 guy. good but not great.

I think that Williams has the wrong attitude. Guys like Durant and Giffin have the right attitude.

That's the difference IMO.

Bizz · Post #994 » by **Bizz** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 9:38 am

Reading all this reports I too get a feeling that Kemba will slide to #9. But the problem is in my mind there is like 5-10% chance of draft holding up as almost every pick from #2-#8 is available. Sombody could cut in before us.

The anti Kemba Walker arguments are weak for me. He is not a true point. Sure neither are Rose, DWill, Westbrook, Wall, ect. The time when NBA was ran by true PGs is over a new type of PGs are on the rise and Kemba looks like he could be one.

He is too small. BS! Sure being small will hutr him a bit but I remember one of the drafts in the past like it was yesterday. There was a small PG who was the most prolific name in the draft, but because of his size he went #4 despite more or less everyone agreeing that he was the best player in the draft. And a certain team had 2 first rounders and didn't want to trade up for him.

I don't want to go through that again. To me Kemba is the only can't miss prospect in this draft. Yes I said the ONLY. Irwing didn't have a chance to prove himself because of the injuries, Williams says he is a 3 while everyone else thinks he is a 4 and has a tweener problem. Everyone else has some big questions. I already adressed questions about Kemba. He will be a successful player in this league because:

1. His step back and crossover provide with enough space to get his shot of or get past his men despite the lack of size and strength. Those two moves are NBA caliber and translate perfectly into NBA.

2. He seems to have a good work ethic and a winners mentality. He improved every year he was in collage. He did what his team needed him to do in order to win. And when the game was on the line he produced like no other player in this draft.

3. He would give Bobcats a face of the franchise something we don't have right now. And Kemba needs to go to a team like ours where he will be the man to play up to his potential.

I know a lot of posters here are not fond of Kemba but I must warn you that I have had an incredibly lucky month so far (had a birthday, sister gave birth to healthy twins, graduated from collage, even found 50 euros in a winnter jacket, Dirk won, Lebron lost). Bobcats getting a pleyer I like would just be a cherry on top

ohara · Post #995 » by **ohara** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:12 am

Wojo tweet: Teams believe Charl has designs on a specific player at #9 and if he is off the board, they will trade down for multiple picks.

Very interesting even tho just speculation by other teams. Bet it is because word got out we already passed on a 2 for 1 trade earlier. Someone we think "might" go before #9, like Twin 1, Singleton... or who we hope to slip to us such as Leonard, Kemba...?

ammofan · Post #996 » by **ammofan** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:25 am

ohara wrote:Wojo tweet: Teams believe Charl has designs on a specific player at #9 and if he is off the board, they will trade down for multiple picks.

Very interesting even tho just speculation by other teams. Bet it is because word got out we already passed on a 2 for 1 trade earlier. Someone we think "might" go before #9, like Twin 1, Singleton... or who we hope to slip to us such as Leonard, Kemba...?

I think the player is probably Bismack. It wouldnt make sense if it was anyone else.....maybe kawhi.

daidalos · Post #997 » by **daidalos** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:02 pm

I think it's kemba

So we have a trade proposal on the table with the Rockets???

countryboi · Post #998 » by **countryboi** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:21 pm

if the bobcats are scared twin 1 is not going to be there at 9 they have NOTHING to worry about its possible he may be there at 19...

doc.end · Post #999 » by **doc.end** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:30 pm

I hope it is Bismack.

Bassman · Post #1000 » by **Bassman** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:40 pm

daidalos wrote:I think it's kemba

So we have a trade proposal on the table with the Rockets???

I agree it must be Walker, as he is the only player that was considered top 5-ish that is sliding close to us (other than the big Euro who won't play this season). I think MJ see's this guy as the kind of leader he wants in a PG (versus DJ's timid approach). If it is Kemba and they take him at 9, I've got to wonder if they deal DJ? Not sure they would but it's always a possibility.

HOUSTON SCENARIO: If they deal down with Houston, I think they believe they can get either Singleton or Vucevic at 14. Their pick would probably be Chris, but I fear Nikola wil be gone by either 16 or 17. At 19, if Vucevic is still there we got a heck of a draft already. At 23 the options are not nearly as good, but it gives us a chance to reach a little for an up and comer like Reggie Jackson or Iman Shumpert. Marshon Brooks could still be there (he's sliding a bit).

Sounds like any real options for trading up are highly unlikely.