Fake Trade Thread 16/17 pt.1

[stinger14]

Had a Bulls fan propose R. Lopez, pick 16, and pick 38 for Plumlee and pick 11

[Mystical Apples]

Had a Bulls fan propose R. Lopez, pick 16, and pick 38 for Plumlee and pick 11

I wouldn't sub-divide #11 for a decent rotation player and a salary dump that doesn't create cap space.

[stinger14]

Had a Bulls fan propose R. Lopez, pick 16, and pick 38 for Plumlee and pick 11

I wouldn't sub-divide #11 for a decent rotation player and a salary dump that doesn't create cap space.

Just gauging opinions, I really am not sure myself as I feel Lopez contract is more moveable going forward, and 38 and 41 may be packaged to move up some if there is a player we want. However, pick 11 could net a really good player, guess it depends on who is available at 11.

[BuzzCity]

I think that us, Portland, and Brooklyn are ideal trading partners. The Nets have a ton of cap space and they need quality veteran rotation players. There are also 6 1st round draft choices between the 3 teams.

Hornets trade 11, 41, Plumlee, and Sessions
Hornets receive 22, 27, and Lopez

Nets trade Lopez, Whitehead, 22, and 27
Nets receive Plumlee, Turner, 11, 20, and 41

Blazers trade Turner and 20
Blazers receive Whitehead and Sessions

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6868826

We get the 2nd scorer we need and massively upgrade our bench with Zeller and Lopez splitting time. We also move a deadweight contract and get a 2nd first round pick at the very reasonable cost of moving down.

The Nets get two solid, if overpaid, rotation quality players. They also move up from both of their draft picks and add a 2nd round pick as well.

The Blazers move themselves out of the luxury tax and only give up one of their picks to do so.

With this being Cho's last chance to get it right, drafting a guy at 11 most likely won't save his job. Getting a guy like Lopez could on the other hand. Is it our ideal trade scenario? No...but I find this to be a realistic trade proposal. Cho has been linked to liking Lopez for a years now. And instead of us thinking about what we want the Hornets to do, we should be thinking about what would Cho honestly do. This is right up his alley. Good work!

[Bassman]

Lopez is on the start of his downhill slide. Last season he had his lowest averages in rebounding (5.4) and FG (47%) in his career. He can still score but why deal a good draft pick in a deep draft for an old battleship? ENOUGH WITH THE SAVE CHO CRAP. He'd better do what's right for this franchise long term.

[LofJ]

Lopez is on the start of his downhill slide. Last season he had his lowest averages in rebounding (5.4) and FG (47%) in his career. He can still score but why deal a good draft pick in a deep draft for an old battleship? ENOUGH WITH THE SAVE CHO CRAP. He'd better do what's right for this franchise long term.

I don't necessarily think that trading back to get Lopez AND move Plumlee is bad for the team long term. Outside of Anunoby and Ntilikina I don't love any of the prospects mocked to go in our range.

I really want to go all in with OG, but given MKG's trajectory I don't trust this team to develop him. So if Ntilikina is off the board I think trading back is an option we should consider. This is a deep draft, we can get athletic guys that don't need as much offensive development later on. If we do that AND pick up Lopez I'd consider that a win.

Edit: I'd rather trade for Carmelo, but the Knicks don't have any other first round picks this year. And trading out of this draft altogether is a big NO for me.

[Kembastockton]

With this being Cho's last chance to get it right, drafting a guy at 11 most likely won't save his job.

First of all who said that Cho's job is on the line? You can't take the media seriously. They are only speculating just like we are. Cho can not be blamed for all of the injuries that we had this year. Has he made a few bad moves? Of course. What GM hasn't ? The facts are there has been nothing confirmed out of the Hornet's organization that says they are even unhappy with Cho let alone thinking to replace him.

Getting a guy like Lopez could on the other hand. Is it our ideal trade scenario? No...but I find this to be a realistic trade proposal. Cho has been linked to liking Lopez for a years now. And instead of us thinking about what we want the Hornets to do, we should be thinking about what would Cho honestly do. This is right up his alley. Good work!

Yes, Cho has been linked to Lopez rumours for awhile. However, if you recall the trades never happened, because Cho refused to give up a pick for him and that was when we were still in playoff contention. Add to this since being here Cho has never traded back before. He has only traded up. So there is absolutely no reason to think that he would trade a lottery pick and move back in the draft for a player he has already passed on.

I don't necessarily think that trading back to get Lopez AND move Plumlee is bad for the team long term. Outside of Anunoby and Ntilikina I don't love any of the prospects mocked to go in our range.

Just because you aren't in love with them doesn't make them bad players. Players aren't always sexy coming out of college. Practically every player in the Golden State starting line up had major criticisms pointed at them coming out. Step and Klay were not athletic enough. Draymond was a tweener, and KD was to skinny.

I really want to go all in with OG, but given MKG's trajectory I don't trust this team to develop him. So if Ntilikina is off the board I think trading back is an option we should consider. This is a deep draft, we can get athletic guys that don't need as much offensive development later on. If we do that AND pick up Lopez I'd consider that a win.

You can't blame the Hornets for MKG refusing to adjust that dumb looking shot. Trading back is definitely being considered as is trading up, and trading out of the draft entirely. One thing that I always find fascinating however is how we fans tend to just assume that our trade scenarios are so great. Even if that trade proposal is valid it is still extremely far fetched. You have to assume that all three teams are thinking like you are when we can only speculate on what any of them are thinking.

[Benjamin Linus]

I'd rather trade for Lin than Lopez.

Send those late Brooklyn picks to Sacramento along with Lamb, Sessions, and whatever useless filler for Gay and Koufos.

Starters: Kemba-Batum-MKG-Marvin-Cody
Bench: Lin-Marco-Gay-Frank-Koufos

Smallball lineups with Kemba-Lin-Batum-Gay-Cody/Frank and that deeeeeeep bench.

[Kembastockton]

Why are our sights so low? We have a lottery pick this year, all of our future first rounders, plus good young players we should be contemplating home runs not singles and doubles.

[Benjamin Linus]

I'd like to see us swing for a home run on draft night, but I don't have much confidence in our FO's drafting ability. Chances are, the guy our FO drafts will end up being a single or a double... while probably taking a few years just to reach base.

[BuzzCity]

Getting a guy like Lopez could on the other hand. Is it our ideal trade scenario? No...but I find this to be a realistic trade proposal. Cho has been linked to liking Lopez for a years now. And instead of us thinking about what we want the Hornets to do, we should be thinking about what would Cho honestly do. This is right up his alley. Good work!

Yes, Cho has been linked to Lopez rumours for awhile. However, if you recall the trades never happened, because Cho refused to give up a pick for him and that was when we were still in playoff contention. Add to this since being here Cho has never traded back before. He has only traded up. So there is absolutely no reason to think that he would trade a lottery pick and move back in the draft for a player he has already passed on.

I really want to go all in with OG, but given MKG's trajectory I don't trust this team to develop him. So if Ntilikina is off the board I think trading back is an option we should consider. This is a deep draft, we can get athletic guys that don't need as much offensive development later on. If we do that AND pick up Lopez I'd consider that a win.

You can't blame the Hornets for MKG refusing to adjust that dumb looking shot. Trading back is definitely being considered as is trading up, and trading out of the draft entirely. One thing that I always find fascinating however is how we fans tend to just assume that our trade scenarios are so great. Even if that trade proposal is valid it is still extremely far fetched. You have to assume that all three teams are thinking like you are when we can only speculate on what any of them are thinking.

Either it's late and I'm struggling to follow along or u first argued there is no reason to think Cho would ever trade back, only to them claim trading back is definitely being considered. So which is it?

I'm also envius of ur optimism. In a later post, u basically are wondering outloud why it is that we aren't excited about our future given that we have good young players and a lottery pick. Who are these good young players to be excited about? Outside of Kemba, we have a lot of question marks. U admitted MKG can't shoot and a lot would argue he is never gunna live up to the potential we were all hoping for. Frank showed some flashes there towards the end when starting at Center I guess. But he's still not somebody I'd count on. Zeller is ok but nothing great. Batum and Marvin are both older with big contracts. Lastly, #11 is a couple picks too late in this draft for guys I really think will be good or can contribute soon.

So I guess I'm pessimistic b/c I'm afraid Kemba's best years will go to waste if we r hoping for Frank, MKG, Zeller and #11 to really help us.

[sportscrazy]

I'm working on a multiple team trade and potentially see Charlotte as a fit...

1. Would Charlotte have interest in a Marvin Williams for Avery Bradley trade?

2. Would they add anything to the deal as incentive?

[chellis]

I'm working on a multiple team trade and potentially see Charlotte as a fit...

1. Would Charlotte have interest in a Marvin Williams for Avery Bradley trade?

2. Would they add anything to the deal as incentive?

I'd say it depends on what is coming back to Charlotte. As of now, Bradley is on an expiring deal if I recall correctly. I wouldn't add incentive for a rental.

EDIT: additionally, Marvin is really good in our locker room. Sometimes we also consider this in trades.

[Snidely FC]

I'm working on a multiple team trade and potentially see Charlotte as a fit...

1. Would Charlotte have interest in a Marvin Williams for Avery Bradley trade?

2. Would they add anything to the deal as incentive?

would do that trade in a nanosecond

I'm a big Marvin fan, great intangibles, but Bradley is a perfect fit for what this team lacked last year

due to salaries cant add another player but would add a 2nd rd pick as sweetener

[Kembastockton]

I'd like to see us swing for a home run on draft night, but I don't have much confidence in our FO's drafting ability. Chances are, the guy our FO drafts will end up being a single or a double... while probably taking a few years just to reach base.

I was referring to the lack of excitement in these proposed trades. This is the fake trade thread. This is where we should be dreaming of how to reunite the entire Curry family or something amazing like conning San Antonio out of Kawhi.

Either it's late and I'm struggling to follow along or u first argued there is no reason to think Cho would ever trade back, only to them claim trading back is definitely being considered. So which is it?

Really? I said that trading back is something Cho has never done before, but that doesn't mean that he doesn't consider all of his options. I seriously doubt that he just walks into the war room and flips a coin.

I'm also envius of ur optimism. In a later post, u basically are wondering outloud why it is that we aren't excited about our future given that we have good young players and a lottery pick. Who are these good young players to be excited about?

Are you actually reading my posts? I was asking why the trade proposals were so weak when we have so many assets that we can trade.

Zeller is ok but nothing great.

Yet we fell out of playoff contention during the time he was injured, and started to regain ground when he returned. hmm

Lastly, #11 is a couple picks too late in this draft for guys I really think will be good or can contribute soon.

That is your opinion, and you are probably wrong. 11 is low to expect to receive a star. But there is no reason to think that everyone picked outside the top 10 will spend all their rookie year at the end of the bench with a finger up their nose. Klay, JJ, Alan Houston, Reggie Miller, and Robert Horry are all former 11th picks. If this draft is as deep as it has been billed there will be someone there at 11.

[stinger14]

I'm working on a multiple team trade and potentially see Charlotte as a fit...

1. Would Charlotte have interest in a Marvin Williams for Avery Bradley trade?

2. Would they add anything to the deal as incentive?

Yes

[BuzzCity]

I was referring to the lack of excitement in these proposed trades. This is the fake trade thread. This is where we should be dreaming of how to reunite the entire Curry family or something amazing like conning San Antonio out of Kawhi.

While everybody is entitled to post whatever trades they want here, your comment above might be the reason I don't think me and u are seeing eye to eye.

Really? I said that trading back is something Cho has never done before, but that doesn't mean that he doesn't consider all of his options. I seriously doubt that he just walks into the war room and flips a coin.

Pretty sure I never once insinuated Cho flipped a coin on his decisions. I agreed with a trade somebody posted where we traded back and u acted like I was out of my mind saying "there was absolutely no way" we should think Cho would ever do it.

Are you actually reading my posts? I was asking why the trade proposals were so weak when we have so many assets that we can trade.

Again I'll ask you...who are these "so many assets" you are talking about??? Have you not been out to the main Trade forum?? I think you are HIGHLY overrating our players outside of Kemba. If we could make these "home run" moves like u are talking about, I'm pretty sure we would have done that already.

Yet we fell out of playoff contention during the time he was injured, and started to regain ground when he returned. hmm

I agree with you...he plays a pretty important role to this team...but look around...centers do not have the value they once did. I'd love to see what the highest pick somebody would give us for Zeller...I think you'd be in for a surprise.

That is your opinion, and you are probably wrong. 11 is low to expect to receive a star. But there is no reason to think that everyone picked outside the top 10 will spend all their rookie year at the end of the bench with a finger up their nose. Klay, JJ, Alan Houston, Reggie Miller, and Robert Horry are all former 11th picks. If this draft is as deep as it has been billed there will be someone there at 11.

Haha yep guess your opinion is superior to mine...first of all, I think we can look back in history and find a good pick at every spot in the first round if we wanted to. I however am looking back at Cho's draft history and our team's in general since the Bobcat days. I think most would agree with me that we have sucked at drafting. And I'm going to quote you once again when you said, "You can't take the media seriously." Who is repeatedly saying this is a deep draft? That's right, the media. We see this every year around draft time. The draft is always hyped up more than it should. All I'm saying is that if we draft a guy at 11, I doubt he will really play a big role for us next year. Meaning, he won't be immediately helping us to get to the playoffs. This team is designed to be in win now mode. Thats why u saw us trade our pick last year for Marco.

If you wanna continue to believe we are in great shape, go ahead...more power to you...if we continue to be a borderline 8th seed team that can never advance to the 2nd round, it's not because we didn't try and make moves...its because we don't have these great assets like you are talking about to make any good moves.

[Kembastockton]

Pretty sure I never once insinuated Cho flipped a coin on his decisions. I agreed with a trade somebody posted where we traded back and u acted like I was out of my mind saying "there was absolutely no way" we should think Cho would ever do it.

Pretty sure I said that Cho would weigh all his options, but he has never traded down before. For this reason there is no reason to just ASSUME that he will do so now. I am sorry if my figurative language goes over your head.

The draft is always hyped up more than it should. All I'm saying is that if we draft a guy at 11, I doubt he will really play a big role for us next year. Meaning, he won't be immediately helping us to get to the playoffs. This team is designed to be in win now mode. Thats why u saw us trade our pick last year for Marco.

If you have this little value in the 11th pick why would you want to trade down? Like we all know Clifford wants players that can contribute right away. If he doesn't think there is anyone available to develop right away wouldn't he be much more likely to trade out of the draft like he did last year? After all he likely could have traded down last year and took Malcom Brogden and someone else. Boston, the Clips, Phoenix, and Milwaukee all had multiple picks after ours that could have netted Brogden and another asset.

Haha yep guess your opinion is superior to mine...first of all, I think we can look back in history and find a good pick at every spot in the first round if we wanted to. I however am looking back at Cho's draft history and our team's in general since the Bobcat days. I think most would agree with me that we have sucked at drafting.

Never said my opinion was superior to anyone's. You like twisting my words don't you. But since you want to go there all opinions are not equal. You say you are looking at the draft history since the Bobcat days. I have been following the hornets since George Shin and Bob Bass were screwing them up. MountBiyombo is my fourth or fifth screen name, and I am getting tired of that one. Fats, Swedd, Slam and I have seen newbies like yourself come and go. I have had numerous debates with guys like yourself. Have I always been right? Of course not, but Pointguard#1, Hornetsfandan, GeraldMutumbo, and MountBiyombo whatever you want to call me gives respect. Disagreeing with you is not demeaning your opinion. That being said, one more time if you don't trust Cho's drafting why do you want to trade down for players who may never develop at all. Like you said it's the media who claims this is a deep draft.

.if we continue to be a borderline 8th seed team that can never advance to the 2nd round, it's not because we didn't try and make moves...its because we don't have these great assets like you are talking about to make any good moves.

And if Cho pulls off another impressive trade like the one he landed for Nic (Gerald Henderson and useless Noah Vonleh) it's because good trades are not always about having great trade bait. Sometimes it is just about having young players that another team thinks they can develop.

[BlackOutBuzz]

Does Marvin make sense in Minnesota? That team has a bunch of really nice young pieces and could probably use a strong veteran presence to tie it together.

I don't imagine he has as much value as Rubio, but maybe Marvin + 11 for 7 + Tyus Jones? I'm not sure I'd do it, just that they seem like a potential trade partner.

Jones is their third PG but would almost certainly be the number two here. The trade-off is obviously moving Frank to the starting line-up to replace Marv, but of course at 7 you're more likely to find an instant impact player that should mitigate that loss.

Rubio (Dunn)/Lavine/Wiggins/Marvin/KAT - #11

Kemba (Jones)/Batum/MKG/Frank/Cody - #7

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[Kembastockton]

Does Marvin make sense in Minnesota? That team has a bunch of really nice young pieces and could probably use a strong veteran presence to tie it together.

I don't imagine he has as much value as Rubio, but maybe Marvin + 11 for 7 + Tyus Jones? I'm not sure I'd do it, just that they seem like a potential trade partner.

Jones is their third PG but would almost certainly be the number two here. The trade-off is obviously moving Frank to the starting line-up to replace Marv, but of course at 7 you're more likely to find an instant impact player that should mitigate that loss.

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Considering they already have Gorguri Dieng, Adriene Payne, and Jordan Hill for veteran presence I doubt they value Marvin enough to trade down for him, but if they do I am down.