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Was reading the Knicks forum and found this interesting trade idea:

CHA Gets: Eddy Curry, Bill Walker, Cash
NYC Gets: Tyson Chandler

You can find it here:

viewtopic.php?t=1011430#p23425231

Personally, I'd pull the trigger. If Curry's playing at his highest level, he's better than Nazr or Chandler. If anyone can get Curry back to that level, it's going to be Larry Brown. He'll want to play well so that he can get a decent contract when his current one runs out. Bill Walker is an interesting prospect that could contribute immediately and would eliminate the need to bring back Larry Hughes or Flip Murray.

better defender = chandler
better team player = chandler
most durable = chandler (thats saying a lot)
better in locker room = chandler
better setting picks = chandler
better rebounder = chandler
better one on one offensive player = curry

Would the cash help with retaining Felton and/or Tyrus?

That would probably be the only way I could be interested.

Is this a joke? I'm serious...

They BOTH suck. Bill walker is pretty promising though. But Chandler sucks and Curry is even worse. Do you wonder why they want to dumb his contract?

There's no reason to tie a lot of money into another veteran that is going to give us one or two years at most. I was considering Shaq under the assumption he'd make MUCH less than what Curry is getting next season... we're basically turning Tyson's mega expiring deal into Bill Walker. Kid showed some promise I guess, didn't watch many Knick games.

There is not even a mild reason to do this trade. We swap bigs. One who can play for one who will probably get bought out by some team this season. And the "gift" for doing so, is money and a player the Bobcats could probably just sign as a free agent.

I'd consider it. It's basically a way to get Bill Walker for free without sacrificing the asset we have with chandler's expiring. You'd still have Curry's 11.2 million contract coming off the book at the end of the year. There will be teams tripping all over themselves for his expiring even if he never returns to form; leave him on the IR and let Ajinca sink or swim. If by some miracle Curry does regain some of his former productivity, all the better.

Walker will not see the free agent market for two more years; He has team options on his contract for under a million for the next two years and after some of the huge games he's has since NY acquired him, exercising those options is a no brainer.

He was thrown into the Boston/NY trade as an after thought and came out of nowhere to really impress with NY during the second half of the season. If you recall, when he was coming out of HS, he was heralded as a sure thing before he ruptured his ACL. He was still projected as a lottery pick until he blew out his knee again while working out for GS. And even then, Washington still thought highly enough of his potential to take him in the second round when he could hardly even walk at the time.

Now that he finally appears to be healthy and has regained alot of his explosiveness, you can see why teams were so enamored with him. He's become a dead eye three point shooter also. I watched a couple of his late season double figure scoring games including the Knick's finale when he had 28 and 7 with something like 6 of 10 from downtown.

If he continues to build on his progress, they might really have a diamond in the rough. At worst, even if for the sake of argument he never improves any further, you've essentially got a Kelena Azubuike clone under contract for two years at less then a mil each season.

If they elect to rebuild, they have Curry's expiring for trade facilitation and a potential laden young guard/forward in Walker.

A Kelenna Azubuike clone isn't the worst case scenario here, but around a mil a year, it's worth that for a prospect with a terrible injury history. Still, I have to think we can get more out of Tyson's massive expiring than Eddy Curry's massive expiring and a prospect that's ruptured each of his acls.

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Given Walker's play the last couple months, I think he's proven to be very comparable to to Kelenna.

Walker's game (explosive slasher / accurate outside shooter in a 6'5-6'6 muscular body) is identical to Azubuike's and Walker's Knick's numbers the last couple months once he started getting regular minutes (points, , FG%, 40%+ 3pt FG, assists, etc) compare favorably to Kelenna's from 08-09 when you consdier that Azu was getting about 5mpg more.

And to further the comparison, Azubuike is now battling knee problems himself.

And as mentioned earlier, you lose little to nothing by swapping one huge expiring for another and getting walker as a throw in. He's the definition of low risk, high reward and he's only 23.

If he stays healthy and continues to develop, we win big. If he has plataued, we still win since he's proven to at the bare minimum be a cheap bench contributer. And if his knees fail him, we can just let him walk and havent given up much of anything to speak of for the trouble.

A torn patella isn't the same as a ruptured ACL in both knees... my point about being an Azubuike clone wasn't stylistic, it was based on the difference in injuries. It's likely that the reason no team is willing to give him a guaranteed contract is because they've done medical exams on him and have determined that he'll suffer complications because of this. Maybe it doesn't matter in the short term, seems like most recent microfracture surgeries have gone well, but it could be a lot worse than Kelenna Azubuike.

How's Walker's defense since you've seen him play? Pretty big deal for our current coach (he shipped off the last explosive slasher / accurate outside shooter in a 6'5-6'6 muscular body that we had)

edited to reiterate: Turning Chandler into Walker isn't bad, i'm intrigued, but I think that's setting the bar pretty low on a major expiring contract.

^ Athletically, I think Walker's back. He's showing no ill effects from the injury and in the Knicks games I watched, he seemed to make cuts with ease and threw down some vicious dunks. None of his weaknesses right now are physical or have anything to do with his pre-nba injuries.

His limitations are alot like Azubukies: medicore ball handling and not as aware a passer as you'd like. These can be addressed. I feel comfortable saying that he's a solid defender who utilizes his bulk and physical attributes alot like stackhouse did.

Walt Cronkite wrote:edited to reiterate: Turning Chandler into Walker isn't bad, i'm intrigued, but I think that's setting the bar pretty low on a major expiring contract.

If we were dumping Chandler's contract and that was all we were getting in return, it would be pretty poor. But remember, we're just swapping Chandler's expiring for Curry's which will still be coming off the books like Chandlers would have and basically get Walker for free in the process.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/14/sport ... nicks.html

Sure, we pick up an asset with Walker and Chandler and Curry both have expiring contracts that are huge. I would guess that Chandler's has more value than Curry's though, since he can actually contribute to a team in more than just a financial way.

You're right and I certainly recognize that Chandler is able to contribute a little bit to a team while Curry is just dead weight.

But, by and large, what makes both of them valuable is their expiring contracts. Whether or not a player can play is usally an after thought to teams that covet $11-12million expiring contacts near the deadline to clean their books.

All in all, swapping their two almost idental deals is a small price to pay IMO to get a 23 yo up and comer like Walker on ther cheap for 2 years. And they could still examine options of trading Curry and Nazr's expirings for other assets.

Ah, you guys are missing out on the steal here. It's Curry. He didn't play this year because the Knicks didn't want him to play. He's going to be rested up for the upcoming season. He also has money problems, so he'll be motivated to play. I'm convinced Curry can still play; he's only 27.

A healthy Curry + Nazr > Chandler + Nazr. Curry scores, Nazr plays defense. Right now we have two defensive players that aren't scoring threats.

If it doesn't work out, you still get Bill Walker, money, and an excuse to play Ajinca.

Now, if there's a way to get New York to take Diaw and/or Felton for Toney Douglas and some picks, it's an absolute steal.

If he's going to be rested from not playing last year, you may as well argue that he's going to be SUPER rested, since he didn't play the year before that either. Better yet, that he's going to be SUPER DUPER rested, because he's only played in 69 of the past 246 games and for the past two years he's only logged 73 minutes TOTAL!!!

Eddy Curry is fat and useless because he has a heart problem, both figuratively and literally. "A healthy Curry" is a gigantic caveat that can only be surpassed by his actual fatness. Do not at all understand how you think, nay, are "convinced" that Curry is going to be a difference maker, but have your doubts about Shaq.

The potential steal is Walker. Curry is filler added to make the deal work finanicially.

If Curry has a chance to play, he'll put up solid numbers. New York has made it clear that they don't indeed to play him. He's played for Larry before, which is a plus. He put up 14/6 when Larry coached the Knicks. If anyone can get him back to form, it's Brown. Let a cardio specialist look at him; if he checks out, make the trade.

The worst thing that happens is that Curry doesn't pan out and we trade his contract. We traded Okafor for Chandler, so why not deal Chandler for Curry and Walker? With Chandler or Curry/Walker, we aren't going to see a huge difference in wins. We know what Chandler can do, but why not take the chance on Curry and Walker? It can't hurt.

It definitely can hurt. Walker could be a product of a system that LB doesn't play over Jackson/Graham/Hughes?/Hendo and Curry may never play at all. I am no fan of Chandler, but he was good off the bench at the end of the season and was the best option we had against Dwight.

Tyson's expiring is our best asset currently, best one we'd get rid of that is. It's more valuable to us to hold onto it for cap room in summer of '11

Curry has an equally massive expiring that same summer.