Stephen Jackson or Gerald Wallace?

[ElCapitan01Jax]

I myself am a huge Stephen Jackson fan and had an interesting debate between whos the better overall player?Who do you guys think is better?Take into account Stephen Jackson said the Cats were always one of the hardest playing teams in the league and were always one player away from making the playoffs.He became that man......

[SWedd523]

Crash.

[ball teacher]

The better shooter is Jackson, better scorer is Jackson, ball handler is Jackson, better passer...about a tie only because Jackson makes alot of turnovers. Better rebounder, Wallace, fast break finisher Wallace, team defender Wallace, on ball defender Jackson. I think the slight edge may go to Jackson, but Wallace is a very good overall player, his two biggest weaknesses are he has alot of defensive lapses where he gives up open three's and gets beat by guys who move well without the ball, and the other is he's not a great shooter or a guy who can really shoot off the dribble really well, or as well as Jackson I should say. Jackson is very underrated.

[ElCapitan01Jax]

The better shooter is Jackson, better scorer is Jackson, ball handler is Jackson, better passer...about a tie only because Jackson makes alot of turnovers. Better rebounder, Wallace, fast break finisher Wallace, team defender Wallace, on ball defender Jackson. I think the slight edge may go to Jackson, but Wallace is a very good overall player, his two biggest weaknesses are he has alot of defensive lapses where he gives up open three's and gets beat by guys who move well without the ball, and the other is he's not a great shooter or a guy who can really shoot off the dribble really well, or as well as Jackson I should say. Jackson is very underrated.

agreed wit the ball teacher.I still dont understand how Crash was nominated over Jax on the all star team given his impact of what he made on the team since the trade.The team couldnt score a lick till he got there

[Jaruff]

Stephen Jackson and it's not even close. I know people love Gerald because of his contribution to the franchise but Jax is the better player. Yes, Crash puts up better stats but Jax makes the biggest impact. If we don't trade for him (or get a suitable replacement), we don't make the playoffs. The best way to put it: if we're in game seven of a playoff series and the game is tied with a second left and we have the ball, I want Jax taking the last shot.

[Walt Cronkite]

Crash is the answer here.

[ElCapitan01Jax]

Crash is the answer here.

May I ask why Walt?Crash is extremely valuable to the Cats and they cannot win without him dont get me wrong but other than the athleticism was does he have on Jack?Crash is what you call an effective reckless player who suprisingly does not play dumb basketball like most reckless athletic guys do.

[Fred Williamson]

Crash is the obvious answer.

[tugs]

Jax is the man but Crash makes him look like "The Man".

Crash does the little things that impacts the game bigtime. hustle, rebound, run on breaks, etc. everybody does that but Crash does it in a WHOLE-NATHA-LEV-EL.

[ball teacher]

I can completely understand why anyone would pick Crash, he's a very good player and the face for this team. He plays harder than anyone which is something I didn't acknowledge, he out hustles Jackson and these things don't show up on stats. However, I saw Jackson shut Vince Carter down in the playoffs, and then it hit me how underrated a on the ball defender he is. He's a better defender than Wallace I think. Wallace will get a weakside block or steal, but his defenseive lapses hurt Charlotte as much as Jackson's turnovers. Charlotte ranked badly in three's given up and Wallace and Felton were the main culprits, mostly because they cheat off there man and helping out others. So being that Jackson is the better overall offensive player, and imo the better defender I had to go with Jackson by a narrow margin, but Wallace is right there.

[JDuaneWayne]

This is kind of a tricky answer. I think they're very close in skill level. You have to think though one player is in his prime and one is entering the twilight of his prime. In his prime it was Jax hands down. More important to us winning would have to be Jax. Crash bring that something extra that most players in today's league don't. If players played with his passion he wouldn't be that great he is average at a lot of things and good at a lot of others. That being said if I had to choose to let one go in a hypothetical situation it would be Jax just because what Crash has done for this city, and the difference in age.

[daidalos]

I can completely understand why anyone would pick Crash

Come on! It has to be Crash. He has a deep voice that scares even Chuck Norris

http://geraldwallacefacts.blogspot.com/

But it is a very hard question. I vote for Crash, cause I think he is more versatile. But I like Jax aswell. I like the mentality of both, they never quit and you can not break them.

[August Us Seazr]

To ElCapitan-

Instead of which one is better individually, why don't we explore why THEY MAKE A FANTASTIC 1-2 PUNCH! Once the trade to bring Jax over was made, both players found their perfect complements.

What more is there to add?

[K0beisGOAT]

stephen the negotiator Jackson is the answer her....one is a skilled borderline all star player. The other reckless athlete, although a effective one. Still edge jax

[misterglover]

For me the answer here is Crash and it aint even close! Stephen Jackson is a glorified chucker whom I couldnt stand before he became a Bobcat but I think both he & the Bobcats were lucky in that they found each other becuz we desperately needed a scorer and he was able to go somewhere where he cant shoot his little heart out. I dont like that he whines after every play, he never thinks he misses a shot without being fouled. I personally would like to see him moved, to say Dallas for Caron Butler -- or just a younger scorer that I dont think is going to self implode...

[fatlever]

we had a huge debate about this a few months ago, i think.

anyway, crash is the player i would take.

[SWedd523]

Glad to see I'm getting some Crash support!


I don't understand the argument for Jack being a better defender: http://www.nba.com/bobcats/wallace_defense_100505.html

[Rich4114]

I look at it this way. If we lost Crash most people here would have a melt down. Some wouldn't even trade him for CP3 (which is dumb IMO). But still, it says a lot. Jackson is great, but he also comes with some downside.

At the end of the day, the edge goes to Crash because of the hustle plays, rebounding, and blocked shots he brings to the table. Even though Jackson is the better scorer and man defender, I think Crash brings us more value. However, we completely suck without one of them - we need both to remain mediocre and we need one more player of either of their caliber to remain highly competitive.

[ajbry]

This is tough for a lot of reasons, namely the fact that a lot of diehard Bobcats fans are sentimental towards Gerald. He's been the representative of this franchise since its inception and they've grown to know him as a player and person very well. Jack hasn't even played a full season as a Bobcat, lol. (And I don't begrudge anyone for being loyal to Crash, he's earned it).

Jack was Jack before this season. Gerald basically became the new Gerald this season, after Jack arrived. I'm not trying to trivialize how good Gerald is and how hard he's worked - but that concept itself sort of weighs things in Jack's favor. He's been the primary catalyst in bringing two losing franchises to the playoffs, won a championship as a starter in his 2nd full season, and led the Pacers in scoring when they advanced to the second round.

The best thing about this whole discussion is that ultimately it doesn't even matter. Their games are both diverse and elite. If you're looking for better wing duos, you're not going to find more than 1 or 2 that are certifiably better than Jack and Gerald (Wade/LeBron, Kobe/Artest depending on how good you think Artest is, and who else?).

Offensively, Jack clearly has the edge. And while Jack is the better man-to-man defender, Crash is easily one of the best help defenders in the league and his rebounding is simply incredible. Jack's game relies on craftiness; Gerald's on athleticism and quickness. This isn't comparing two similar players in terms of how they play and thus it's an inherently difficult comparison to make in the first place.

They're both really, really good. Although it concerns me that the roster as currently constructed looks pretty tame - there won't be many more years of this level of productivity from these guys left.

[ajbry]

At the end of the day, the edge goes to Crash because of the hustle plays, rebounding, and blocked shots he brings to the table. Even though Jackson is the better scorer and man defender, I think Crash brings us more value. However, we completely suck without one of them - we need both to remain mediocre and we need one more player of either of their caliber to remain highly competitive.

That doesn't account for Jack's other impact on the offense, however. He completely changed this team's offensive identity - and a lot of coaches and players agreed - because he's adept at scoring and creating. Crash is obviously not a creator or distributor.