Wizard Fans Trade Idea (Crash and Arenas)

rrini · Post #1 » by **rrini** » Tue Aug 24, 2010 5:06 pm

This is a deal the Charlotte should do if Gilbert Arenas is doing as good as he used to. And Josh Howard is doing better than expected. And if there borderline to make the playoffs

Washington in- Gerald Wallace Nazr Mohammed Dominic Mcguire
Washington out- Gilbert Arenas Josh Howard 2014 1st round draft pick

Why for Washington- They get rid of Gilbert Arenas's huge contract and get back a all star small forward and expiring contract

Charlotte in- Gilbert Arenas Josh Howard 2014 1st round draft pick
Charlotte out- Gerald Wallace Nazr Mohammed Dominic Mcguire

Why for Charlotte- They will get a all star point guard in Gilbert Arenas and his defense will only improve playing with great defenders and being coached by Larry Brown. And Josh Howard would fit great into Charlotte's offensive system and is a good defender.

colts2004 · Post #2 » by **colts2004** » Tue Aug 24, 2010 5:31 pm

Question is, is Gilbert gonna pull the gun crap he did in DC and is he healthy?

Post #3 » by **BigSlam** » Tue Aug 24, 2010 5:34 pm

No way in hell am I giving up Crash for Agent Poop Shoe.

Post #4 » by **Paydro70** » Tue Aug 24, 2010 5:45 pm

Wow I don't even want Arenas over Crash ignoring salary, the hell if I want to pay that contract out too.

vorbis · Post #5 » by **vorbis** » Tue Aug 24, 2010 5:51 pm

this would be a good trade to do if the Bobcats' goal was to make their team worse, their financial situation worse, and expedite the process of driving interest in the team down to 0 and alienating every fan in the area.

Post #6 » by **BigSlam** » Tue Aug 24, 2010 5:57 pm

Boris, Diop, Hammer and Eddie
for
Arenas and Blatche

and even then I am not 100% sure I would do it.

ohara · Post #7 » by **ohara** » Tue Aug 24, 2010 6:11 pm

BigSlam wrote:Boris, Diop, Hammer and Eddie
for
Arenas and Blatche

and even then I am not 100% sure I would do it.

Come on now. You would jump all over that one.

Post #8 » by **fatlever** » Tue Aug 24, 2010 6:30 pm

wow, so washington not only gets out from under 80 mil owed to arenas but they get a current all-star on a great contract in return.

sure, IF arenas and howard can get back to their 2006 levels this is a fantastic trade for the bobcats, but that is way too much of any IF.

i'll stick with the DUST chip and carroll for arenas offer.

IAmKwame · Post #9 » by **IAmKwame** » Tue Aug 24, 2010 6:51 pm

I have no beef playing with Arenas again. I will be busy proving the world wrong! I wish, I can bring back that cake too! If les Boulez want to get rid of agent 0, I also say that Damps needs to be included. I mean, I would like to see the floor at some point...

Battery · Post #10 » by **Battery** » Tue Aug 24, 2010 6:52 pm

We do not want Gilbert Arenas even if you asked us for nothing in return. Arenas is franchise suicide.

ball teacher · Post #11 » by **ball teacher** » Tue Aug 24, 2010 7:05 pm

Battery wrote:We do not want Gilbert Arenas even if you asked us for nothing in return. Arenas is franchise suicide.

Well, I dont agree with this ^, but a deal of Crash for Arenas and Howard is laughable. How are you gonna propose a deal where you get this teams best player, for your teams damaged players? Both of these guys had serious knee injuries and haven't even played a full season since to see what they have left. This is a horrible offer for the Bobcats.

Battery · Post #12 » by **Battery** » Tue Aug 24, 2010 7:19 pm

ball teacher wrote:
Battery wrote:We do not want Gilbert Arenas even if you asked us for nothing in return. Arenas is franchise suicide.

Well, I dont agree with this ^, but a deal of Crash for Arenas and Howard is laughable. How are you gonna propose a deal where you get this teams best player, for your teams damaged players? Both of these guys had serious knee injuries and haven't even played a full season since to see what they have left. This is a horrible offer for the Bobcats.

NBA is a team game. We have no use for an undersized chucking shooting guard with 80 million left on his contract. Throw in he hasn't played a full NBA season since 06-07, had a major knee injury and pulled a gun on a teammate in the locker room. Ahhhh yes, what NBA owner would say...I must have that?!?!?

This is ridiculous to even discuss. MJ would be declared mentally insane if he took on that risk. Even if Agent Azzhole played the last few seasons and didn't have the gun charge, he would still be a HUGE risk because you can't win with a chucking 2 guard masquerading as a point. What teammate would want to play with a point guard who jacks up 20 plus shots per game??? That is a recipe for some terrible team chemistry. Now if he shot it at 50% clip you could justify it. But his days of having the leeway to shoot the ball a ton are long gone.

Post #13 » by **BigSlam** » Tue Aug 24, 2010 7:24 pm

ohara wrote:
BigSlam wrote:Boris, Diop, Hammer and Eddie
for
Arenas and Blatche

and even then I am not 100% sure I would do it.

Come on now. You would jump all over that one.

I don't know man. I tend to agree with Battery on this one:

Battery wrote:We do not want Gilbert Arenas even if you asked us for nothing in return. Arenas is franchise suicide.

ohara · Post #14 » by **ohara** » Tue Aug 24, 2010 7:35 pm

If Arenas were an old fart like many of us, sure he might be happy finishing out a Contract and showing his butt. But he is still young. He's got another large Contract to play for in the future. Right now, I would say Arenas is one of the safest bets in the NBA to stay OUT of trouble. You add his ability to Jax and Crash, play TT at the PF and let Blatche play some C, and that is a very solid staring lineup. Occasionally playing Blatche at the PF with Nazr and Kwame playing C works depending on the opposition. I just think people are failing to see the good aspects of Arenas and not thinking of the fact that this guy is not a complete idiot. Made mistakes, yes. But he knows that unless he plays his a$$ off the rest of this Contract and stays clean, then any future Contract will be extremely reduced compared to what value he may otherwise have. I just think the gamble is well worth it. Now, if you are convinced that his game just flat out sucks and you dont think he would be a good fit with the team, that is a whole other argument. I am just speaking to the issue of his being a "bad apple" so to speak.
edit: By the way, this applies only to the scenario Slam laid out. Not anything involving Crash.

Vanderbilt_Grad · Post #15 » by **Vanderbilt_Grad** » Tue Aug 24, 2010 7:55 pm

Crash and Nazzy for Arenas? That's one of the most lopsidedly bad trade ideas I've seen posted in a while.

Arenas is next to untradeable at the moment because of his contract + injury history + last year's nightmare.

Crash is the franchise player in Charlotte & Nazzy is the team's starting center who is generally under-rated by other teams but is actually pretty good.

Fred Williamson · Post #16 » by **Fred Williamson** » Tue Aug 24, 2010 7:57 pm

**** no.

GoBobs · Post #17 » by **GoBobs** » Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:16 pm

I could see Gilbert having a bounce back year. He has something to prove and has every reason to get in great shape and be the player he used to be.

Having said that I wouldn't give you Damp, Diop and Carrol him. Gilbert was never close to worth what the Wizards gave him. He got paid based on about 6 months of extremely hot shooting where he went all Habitchi, and even then he never played any defense. The best and likely only option the wizards have if they want to trade him is Vince Carter.

dmutombo321 · Post #18 » by **dmutombo321** » Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:27 pm

BigSlam wrote:Boris, Diop, Hammer and Eddie
for
Arenas and Blatche

and even then I am not 100% sure I would do it.

This would be the only scenario I would be willing to consider. I would have reservations about this but would probably sign off.

Just to preface, as everyone knows, my first preference is always to rebuild. But, since that word doesnt seem to be in our FO's vocabulary, and they're insistant on improving at any cost, future be damned, this would be a more reasonable deal than some of the other moves I could envision them doing.

Arenas has 4 monsterous years left on his contract. But, in this scenario, we're unloading alot of our garbage too. As a result, the salary hit would be a wash for the next two years. In year three, Arenas would effectively only cost us $10million as $11 mil of his salary would still be offset by us having unloaded Diop and Hammer who would be in their final years.

The hit would come in year 4 where he would cost us $22 million. Now, at that junction, with a new collective bargaining agreement having taken effect, his deal will probably be the most valuable expiring contract in the league. But until he is dealt that year, the carrying cost of having him on the roster will be astronomical.

The enticement for agreeing to take on Arenas' ridiculous deal would be Blatche. Frankly, I think he's a much better PF than Thomas and once he was inserted into the starting lineup last season, he was a 20/10 guy. He's under contract for peanuts for the next two seasons. He can also play some undersized center in small ball lineups.

therebirth · Post #19 » by **therebirth** » Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:06 pm

Why is everyone so eager to get this franchise killer? How many games has he played the last 3 years?

ball teacher · Post #20 » by **ball teacher** » Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:10 am

Battery wrote:NBA is a team game. We have no use for an undersized chucking shooting guard with 80 million left on his contract. Throw in he hasn't played a full NBA season since 06-07, had a major knee injury and pulled a gun on a teammate in the locker room. Ahhhh yes, what NBA owner would say...I must have that?!?!?

This is ridiculous to even discuss. MJ would be declared mentally insane if he took on that risk. Even if Agent Azzhole played the last few seasons and didn't have the gun charge, he would still be a HUGE risk because you can't win with a chucking 2 guard masquerading as a point. What teammate would want to play with a point guard who jacks up 20 plus shots per game??? That is a recipe for some terrible team chemistry. Now if he shot it at 50% clip you could justify it. But his days of having the leeway to shoot the ball a ton are long gone.

Gil was one of the leagues most beloved players by his peers and fans, he had one incident with the gun and his reputation is now worse than Ron Artest who was actually bumrushing people in the stands. I don't mind him shooting alot in Washington, the team sucked and he entertained us with his play. LB is a hard nosed coach and MJ is a hard nosed competitive owner, I'm sure Gil wouldn't get out of line working for these two. Eddie Jordan and LB are on two completely different levels and cannot be compared. Gil's attitude is the least of my concerns because he's clearly not a thugged out person, I'm more concerned with his bad leg, but if we could get him and the talent that he has in Charlotte I'd gladly go for it if he's shown to be 100%. You hear mention of the salaries often, but when you have a bonafied baller like Arenas, I say if the player is healthy and wants to play and play hard, if you got it, spend it. It's gonna be worth it in the long run. A lineup of...
PG Arenas
SG Jax
SF Crash
PF Tyrus
C Brown or Blatche
looks pretty impressive to me.