Knicks Pick Trade Idea

[Jaruff]

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wireta ... ring_melo/

We've spent thousands of posts talking about potential trades, so here's another. Denver says they have a pick, I wonder if it is ours (unlikely but hey, it's possible). If so, what kind of deal could be worked out?

I'm thinking:

CHA: Turiaf, 2011 (if available) 2nd Round Pick (if not, future unprotected 2nd Rounder), Cash
NYK: 2011 1st Round Pick, Najera

Gives New York their pick to get Melo, gives us a decent backup center in Turiaf with an expiring contract and a 2nd round pick to work with. Our first rounder will probably be 15-18 but we fill an immediate need while removing a contract. NY will probably buy Najera out or trade him to Denver and give Denver the money to buy him out.

Turiaf/Mohammed would be a respectable center rotation, not great, but much better than our current situation.

Thoughts on this or perhaps what NY would have to give up to get a 1st rounder from any team, not necessarily ours?

[BigSlam]

We can't trade our pick and even if we could there is no way I would be comfortable with trading it for Ronnie.

[Marvel]

Hell no, a 1st rounder for Turiaf is not worth it.

[Jaruff]

We can't trade our pick and even if we could there is no way I would be comfortable with trading it for Ronnie.

We can't trade the 2011th? I only thought the 2012 was sent.

[SWedd523]

You can't have consecutive first round draft picks owed to other teams. Even still, what everbody else is saying holds true. Turiaf is no where near worth a First


The rumor is San Antonio is sending their First for Wilson Chandler

[Jaruff]

You can't have consecutive first round draft picks owed to other teams. Even still, what everbody else is saying holds true. Turiaf is no where near worth a First


The rumor is San Antonio is sending their First for Wilson Chandler

That's unfortunate that you can't do that.

The way I look at it, 15-18th the last time nailed us Ajinca. Basically trading an Ajinca type player and Najera for an expiring spot sporter and a second.

Wilson is definitely worth a first in the San Antonio range.

[Rich4114]

yeah, why not give up more 1st round picks. It's not like you can build through the draft anyway.

[Jaruff]

yeah, why not give up more 1st round picks. It's not like you can build through the draft anyway.

Some teams can but we can't. Just ask Adam Morrison.

[Fred Williamson]

yeah, why not give up more 1st round picks. It's not like you can build through the draft anyway.

this. It's like we should literally give them away as a present

Some teams can but we can't. Just ask Adam Morrison.

not this again... Go check DX or NBAdraft.net and read what a lot of scouts said back then. Probably 80% would have taken Ammo with a top5 pick. Same goes for Okafor and Felton.

[Jaruff]

not this again... Go check DX or NBAdraft.net and read what a lot of scouts said back then. Probably 80% would have taken Ammo with a top5 pick. Same goes for Okafor and Felton.

Doesn't mean we should have. You use an expansion draft pick on a SF that you're starting (Wallace) but you're going to use the third pick on another SF when you have a glaring need at SG.

Nothing wrong with selecting Felton or Okafor. Both of those positions filled actual needs at the time. Morrison wasn't a need. Even Randy Foye would have been a better fit. If you feel taking one of those players in your current position is too high, you trade down. If you can't trade down, you reach on the player. Championship teams can afford to draft players they don't need, building teams can't.

[SWedd523]

When you draft players, you have two targets. 1) the player that fits a need and 2) the best player available. Before the draft, Morrison was projected as a "lock" in the top 3-5. If you recall, the 2006 draft was big heavy, with only Roy (6), Foye (7), Redick (11), Sefolosha (13), and Brewer (14) going in the lottery. So really, it was either the top three talent, or a mid lottery level guard. Roy openly stated he didn't want to come to Charlotte, so I can understand the reluctance to go for him. Foye was projected as an undersized scorer who would likely move over to the PG slot.

Again, go back and read some of the things sites were saying about Morrison. Matter of fact, I'll do it for you:

from http://www.mynbadraft.com/NBA-Draft-Pro ... m-Morrison

Ok, so the comparisons with Bird may seem obvious, but I think it has more to do with Adam’s instincts and ability to just plain score when he wants to. Bird was able to do that. Morrison can ball; he can shoot the lights out and if he gets a step on his man, its over. He creates his own shot as well as ‘Melo' did at Syracuse. This guy just flat out scores. Seems to like the contact in the lane. He does whatever it takes to help his team win. A real gamer. Comes off screens well, shots the ball well from outside, smartest player on the court.

from http://collegebasketballnews.scout.com/ ... id=2267999

Offensively, there is nothing to nit pick. He extended his shooting range as a junior and his passing is much underrated. Defensively, he’s got a ways to go. But how many NBA rookies don’t? He’s a lock to be among the top four selections.

from http://www.nbadraft.net/players/adam-morrison

special talent ... Old school right down to the stripes on the socks ... Like a coach on the floor ... Incredibly competitive ... The game comes very easily to him ... A great player in the half court ... Can create offense for himself or others ... Really excels with the ball in his hands at the top of the key ... Very good scorer with complete offensive repertoire ... Effortless shooting stroke ... Has great anticipation and basketball understanding ... Great intangibles, competes and inspires others to play hard.

from http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Adam-Morrison-174/

Best Case: Shorter Dirk Nowitzki
Worst Case: Post-prime Glenn Robinson

His value as the best player available and marketing treasure far outweighed the projected talents of Roy and Foye. That pick wasn't a mistake when it was made.

[BigSlam]

Roy openly stated he didn't want to come to Charlotte

No, he didn't.

That pick wasn't a mistake when it was made.

Yes, it was.

You can't post all of those quotes about Ammo leading up to the draft and leave out the others ones. Ones like these:

Not especially gifted athletically ... Lacks great foot speed getting out into transition ... Runs decent, but needs a head of steam ...Better hand speed than foot speed ... Leaping ability is average ... Plays hard on defense but lacks great lateral quickness ... Lack of a great first step will make it harder to get shots off against superior athletes ...

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/adam-morrison

While Morrison’s dominance at the college level can’t be questioned, many still doubt how his game will translate to the next level. Morrison has a certain amount of deceptive quickness to his game, but is he a good enough athlete to be a star in the NBA?

With how hard Morrison has to work to get shots at the college level, can he create offense against the Ron Artests and Bruce Bowens of the NBA? While the caliber of defender guarding Morrison has made little difference during his time at Gonzaga, it remains to be seen whether he has the footspeed or overall athleticism to succeed as an all-around scorer at the next level.

The other hole in Adam Morrison’s game can be easily observed on the defensive end. Morrison clearly reserves most of his energy for his scoring expoits, and tends to coast on defense most of the time. Gonzaga will often switch into zone defenses so teams can’t exploit him on that end.

While Morrison has solid defensive instincts when he is focused, it is generally perceived that the lack of footspeed will really hurt in one-on-one situations on the defensive end. Morrison may very well be able to create his own shot in the NBA, but it is hard to see him being able to stay in front of the freak athletes occupying the wing position in the NBA. It is likely that whichever team ends up drafting Morrison will have to come up with a defensive gameplan that covers for Morrison’s shortcomings on that end.

The only other issue to discuss here is Morrison’s diabetes. It is hard to see the condition being a deciding factor on whether a team drafts him or not, as he has proven that he can continue to play at a high level with very little rest in the most grueling of situations. Nonetheless, you can bet that NBA teams will do their homework on what the implications of the disease could be.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Adam-Morrison-174/

[Jaruff]

Roy openly stated he didn't want to come to Charlotte

No, he didn't.

That pick wasn't a mistake when it was made.

Yes, it was.

You can't post all of those quotes about Ammo leading up to the draft and leave out the others ones. Ones like these:

Not especially gifted athletically ... Lacks great foot speed getting out into transition ... Runs decent, but needs a head of steam ...Better hand speed than foot speed ... Leaping ability is average ... Plays hard on defense but lacks great lateral quickness ... Lack of a great first step will make it harder to get shots off against superior athletes ...

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/adam-morrison

While Morrison’s dominance at the college level can’t be questioned, many still doubt how his game will translate to the next level. Morrison has a certain amount of deceptive quickness to his game, but is he a good enough athlete to be a star in the NBA?

With how hard Morrison has to work to get shots at the college level, can he create offense against the Ron Artests and Bruce Bowens of the NBA? While the caliber of defender guarding Morrison has made little difference during his time at Gonzaga, it remains to be seen whether he has the footspeed or overall athleticism to succeed as an all-around scorer at the next level.

The other hole in Adam Morrison’s game can be easily observed on the defensive end. Morrison clearly reserves most of his energy for his scoring expoits, and tends to coast on defense most of the time. Gonzaga will often switch into zone defenses so teams can’t exploit him on that end.

While Morrison has solid defensive instincts when he is focused, it is generally perceived that the lack of footspeed will really hurt in one-on-one situations on the defensive end. Morrison may very well be able to create his own shot in the NBA, but it is hard to see him being able to stay in front of the freak athletes occupying the wing position in the NBA. It is likely that whichever team ends up drafting Morrison will have to come up with a defensive gameplan that covers for Morrison’s shortcomings on that end.

The only other issue to discuss here is Morrison’s diabetes. It is hard to see the condition being a deciding factor on whether a team drafts him or not, as he has proven that he can continue to play at a high level with very little rest in the most grueling of situations. Nonetheless, you can bet that NBA teams will do their homework on what the implications of the disease could be.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Adam-Morrison-174/

That reminds me of someone we already had on the roster. Matt Carroll, yes?

When you draft players, you have two targets. 1) the player that fits a need and 2) the best player available. Before the draft, Morrison was projected as a "lock" in the top 3-5. If you recall, the 2006 draft was big heavy, with only Roy (6), Foye (7), Redick (11), Sefolosha (13), and Brewer (14) going in the lottery.

In that case, you trade down or you trade the pick entirely. Grab a lower pick and extras (players/picks) or trade out entirely and grab some future picks and/or players. Prime example: Jason Richardson.

[Walt Cronkite]

I don't think Carroll and Morrison are very similar. One was a volume scorer in college that has really struggled with the 24 second shot clock and faster, longer athletes, while the other was unremarkable in college (as far as I remember), but carved out a solid niche as a 3point threat from a couple of spots from the floor who had a savvy for getting to the ft line despite his athletic shortcomings. Hammer time got paid too much money from a team that had no business handing out contracts to role players, but at least he had enough success prior to that contract that he had a definable role.

edit: they are both white, thought.

2nd edit: AND they have both played for the Bobcats... so the comparison has that going for it.

[MPM]

Gotta chime on this...sorry to veer further off topic, but can't let the "Roy didn't want to play in Charlotte" myth rear its ugly head again. I was a big, big, big backer of drafting Roy that year and followed his path to draft day like a stalker. He never said he didn't want play here. In fact, at the time, press mentions had him as high on the Bobs as any other team. I think part of the reason this myth came about was because he arrived late to the CLT workout, which Roy discusses in detail in the interview here...doesn't sound like a guy who has shut out Charlotte as an option:

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Brandon-Roy-343/