Knicks Fan Perspective of the Bobcats

[Punk]

Well, I've been rooting for this team last year when you guys became a legit team in the East. I actually rooted for this team to be created so to see them make the playoffs and establish a winning team was great.

From my perspective of things now. Keep in mind, I may not know details about somethings but from what I see....

-MJ is an idiot. I noticed him getting all pissed but you don't trade Tyson Chandler for nothing. I understand it was contractual reasons and money but you guys have no legit center. Nazr is old, he's a 2nd opinion not a starter.

-Say what you want about Calderon, he is a great pass first point guard to play along side of Thomas who is effective with pick n roll passes and lob passes. He's played with Bosh, he knows how to run a team with big men on the low block. Why did MJ back out when he knew Felton was leaving?

Diaw hasn't done anything to make him a piece to this team's future. He seems to be the odd main out in my opinion. The simple fact nobody in the Bobcats organization hasn't called him out on being over weight is mind boggling to me. He was slim as hell in Phoenix.

-Your bench is not there. We in Knick land don't have a deep bench either but we do have some explosive players that you saw tonight. Derrick Brown and Thomas seem to be the only promising players off the bench and there is nobody to make that bench better.

-Livingston has tons of potential but he is playing for the wrong coach. Remember, Larry Brown is the man who basically told Ariza he sucked and he was delusional to want more playing time...Look at him now.

-Wallace and Jackson are playing bad because I don't see any sense of urgency from the coaching staff to the captains. Even though they should know it.

-I think you guys are getting carried away with trading Jackson and Wallace. Your team is really fine. You need to address the bench PG, C and bench depth because as you can see 3 injures can ruin the whole team and Larry's mind.

-DJ is great but I don't see him logging heavy minutes and being able to do what he does for 82 games. He is the most dependable person on the team right now and that should not be on a young guy like that.

I really like the team. I just see everything happening being Jordan's fault. Bring back Larry not a smart move (in my opinion), not re-signing Hughes was a bad move, still not even looking to fix the center position is a bad move.

You guys will probably get on a nice streak sometime soon but it's going to be a struggle.

[Jaruff]

1. Yup, Tyson was dealt for money reasons only. Still, it's not as if he played a lot last year. I think he only managed 50 games and didn't log many minutes in the games he did play.
2. Some people here like Calderon, I don't. Primarily, I would have been pissed off to see us let Felton go for 7m / 2yrs but bring on Calderon at 9m+ / 3-4yrs.
3. LB loves Diaw so I doubt he's moved unless we continue to suck. He's a fatty but LB loves him, just like he loves chubby Ray.
4. Bench sucks. Brown is one dimensional but makes a nice depth option. Thomas is a great energy guy/sixth-man that can spot start as you saw tonight. Kwame is my boy but isn't great, Livingston has no knees, and how in the hell does McGuire make three different NBA teams?
5. Livingston is a 6'7 PG, that's why we have him. LB loves size. I agree with you; he's probably not the best fit when we could have signed someone like Jamaal Tinsley for the vet. min.
6. Agreed.
7. Jackson is great at times, sporadic at others. He's locked up for several seasons but I would trade Gerald Wallace before I dealt Stephen. Wallace really needs to go; the guy is not a franchise player and one rough hit and he's done. IMO, I'd like to see Wallace moved for a center but I doubt that happens. Wallace also only has a few more years left on his deal and I'm sure he'll command a lot of money in FA; I would hate to Joe Johnson him.
8. Agreed. He's stepped up for us this year but he can't do it all himself. But, Felton had to do the same thing and he's turned out to be a decent PG.
9. I loved Larry Hughes and was very sad when he wasn't brought back. Much better than having Gerald Henderson and Matt Carroll shooting buckets. We signed Kwame Brown to "fix" that center position but there's not much you can do when you're paying a backup center (Diop) $6m+ for several seasons. Only if Nazr were 10 years younger.

If we can improve in December and get back near .500, I think we have a playoff chance. I don't know if we can do that and from what I've seen this year, I wouldn't bet on it. At least we'll beat the Lakers as we usually do.

[BigSlam]

What a poor thead, but in the interest if self amusement.........

MJ is an idiot. I noticed him getting all pissed but you don't trade Tyson Chandler for nothing. I understand it was contractual reasons and money but you guys have no legit center. Nazr is old, he's a 2nd opinion not a starter.

The Knicks have thrown dollar after dollar away on stupid contracts. If that is the way you roll, power to you. Jordan bought a team with some questionable contracts and had to do something about it. Chandler wasn't traded for "nothing" and if you did actually understand if was for contractual reasons like you state you wouldn't have even made this point.

Say what you want about Calderon, he is a great pass first point guard to play along side of Thomas who is effective with pick n roll passes and lob passes. He's played with Bosh, he knows how to run a team with big men on the low block. Why did MJ back out when he knew Felton was leaving?

Because Calderon has been injured. Because Calderon's contract sucks and because DJ is better than Calderon.

Diaw hasn't done anything to make him a piece to this team's future. He seems to be the odd main out in my opinion. The simple fact nobody in the Bobcats organization hasn't called him out on being over weight is mind boggling to me. He was slim as hell in Phoenix.

He plays a totally different role here than he did in PHX. Of course he was thinner there - SSOL you know? He has been one of our most consistent players so far this season.

Your bench is not there. We in Knick land don't have a deep bench either but we do have some explosive players that you saw tonight. Derrick Brown and Thomas seem to be the only promising players off the bench and there is nobody to make that bench better.

Thanks capitain obvious - but remember that undertanding you claimed to have in your first point? You think that might have a little something to do with having a weak bench?

Livingston has tons of potential but he is playing for the wrong coach. Remember, Larry Brown is the man who basically told Ariza he sucked and he was delusional to want more playing time...Look at him now.

Ummmmmmmmm Ariza DOES suck. Look at him now? You like his 37% fg shooting, his 29% three point shooting and his 10ppg? In saying that there is every reason to accept that Livingston is just struggling under LB like so many others have before and he is actually a lot better than he is showing right now.

Wallace and Jackson are playing bad because I don't see any sense of urgency from the coaching staff to the captains. Even though they should know it.

Ya, I'm sure that's what it is. I'm sure LB and MJ etc are just sitting back enjoying watching our two best players stink it up.

I think you guys are getting carried away with trading Jackson and Wallace. Your team is really fine. You need to address the bench PG, C and bench depth because as you can see 3 injures can ruin the whole team and Larry's mind.

We don't, and condsidering we are the ones that support and know this team, we would probably know better than you.

DJ is great but I don't see him logging heavy minutes and being able to do what he does for 82 games. He is the most dependable person on the team right now and that should not be on a young guy like that.

Can you use your crystal ball to let me know what the upcoming lotto numbers are?

I really like the team. I just see everything happening being Jordan's fault. Bring back Larry not a smart move (in my opinion), not re-signing Hughes was a bad move, still not even looking to fix the center position is a bad move.

You are clueless. Jordan is trying to fix a lot of the mistakes made by the prvious owners. He has done a wonderful job.

You guys will probably get on a nice streak sometime soon but it's going to be a struggle.

Thanks SuperFan.

[fatlever]

MJ is finally doing something to correct the many mistakes made by previous ownership. granted, part of those mistakes was MJ allowing LB to have too much influence on the roster in those first 2 years. smartly, MJ finally put his foot down for the good of the future of the team and made some moves that countered what LB wanted, but were good for the financial future of the team... such as not resigning ray to a large 6 year deal and moving chandler for salary relief.

calderon is not the answer. his defense is worse than djs and dj is doing a great job scoring and running the team, his problem is on defense. i dont see how calderon would do a better job running the team and he would actually make us worse defensively.

you're right, our bench is sad. henderson would have helped but he is hurt. derrick brown is one dimensional. livingston is a decent backup pg but thats about it. we have no scoring spark from the guard or wing positions off the bench.

center didnt really have anything to do with the last two games as we went small. we are best when we play small with boris and tyrus together. no excuses there. the knicks played to our strengths and we still failed to capitalize. but against bigger teams the center position is a problem. nazr has his nights but cant be counted on to play more than 20 most nights. diop is a disaster. thankfully kwame brown is back and should provide some relief off the bench.

sadly we are far too dependent on jackson and wallace. and sadly both have been wildly inconsistent this season.

i agree that management should demand boris get in better shape. however, on the court boris has been solid most nights. there is no question though that if he was in fantastic shape he could be much better. however, thats never going to happen.

[Eoghan]

Well, since I'm the unofficial Diaw apologist on this board I'll tackle the Diaw weight controversy.

It's not really fair to compare him now to his PHX days, the Suns ran all day and he played a lot more 3. For Charlotte, he's sadly our best bigman defender so he plays the 4/5 position. He's definitely thicker but some of that has to be muscle. It's not like he took the summer off to eat French food, he played (well I think) for the French Nat. team and he logs heavy minutes for us so he either eats like Sean May when he's not playing or there's something under that pudge.

I agree that our 5 position is in complete shambles and that our bench is vastly overachieving. I think the bench will come together more when Henderson gets back and they figure out how to play with McGuire and Kwame (remember, those guys just got back).

[Marvel]

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The only think i agree on with the OP is that LB is an idiot, Calderon sucks and his contract ....forget about it.

BrotherDave....NO, Doris was horrible for the French team at the FIBA tourney.

[Fred Williamson]

BrotherDave....NO, Doris was horrible for the French team at the FIBA tourney.

uhmm, no he was not. I saw all games of the french national team and him and Batum were the best players on the team.

[Punk]

i agree that management should demand boris get in better shape. however, on the court boris has been solid most nights. there is no question though that if he was in fantastic shape he could be much better. however, thats never going to happen.

Well in that case, Tyrus should start. He seems to add life around Wallace and Jackson all three are playing together.

Maybe, you guys could get Ben Wallace. He would fit in with the system and I think he signed a 2 year deal.

[BigSlam]

i agree that management should demand boris get in better shape. however, on the court boris has been solid most nights. there is no question though that if he was in fantastic shape he could be much better. however, thats never going to happen.

Well in that case, Tyrus should start. He seems to add life around Wallace and Jackson all three are playing together.

Maybe, you guys could get Ben Wallace. He would fit in with the system and I think he signed a 2 year deal.

Because Ben Wallace is the answer to our offensive struggles.

[Marvel]

BrotherDave....NO, Doris was horrible for the French team at the FIBA tourney.

uhmm, no he was not. I saw all games of the french national team and him and Batum were the best players on the team.

http://turkey2010.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/10/fwcm/player/p/pid/33925/rid//sid/4728/tid/282/profile.html

Pretty average to me and this is FIBA we're talking about, but hey maybe he was playing down to the competition

[magnumt]

What a poor thead, but in the interest if self amusement.........

MJ is an idiot. I noticed him getting all pissed but you don't trade Tyson Chandler for nothing. I understand it was contractual reasons and money but you guys have no legit center. Nazr is old, he's a 2nd opinion not a starter.

The Knicks have thrown dollar after dollar away on stupid contracts. If that is the way you roll, power to you. Jordan bought a team with some questionable contracts and had to do something about it. Chandler wasn't traded for "nothing" and if you did actually understand if was for contractual reasons like you state you wouldn't have even made this point.

Say what you want about Calderon, he is a great pass first point guard to play along side of Thomas who is effective with pick n roll passes and lob passes. He's played with Bosh, he knows how to run a team with big men on the low block. Why did MJ back out when he knew Felton was leaving?

Because Calderon has been injured. Because Calderon's contract sucks and because DJ is better than Calderon.

Diaw hasn't done anything to make him a piece to this team's future. He seems to be the odd main out in my opinion. The simple fact nobody in the Bobcats organization hasn't called him out on being over weight is mind boggling to me. He was slim as hell in Phoenix.

He plays a totally different role here than he did in PHX. Of course he was thinner there - SSOL you know? He has been one of our most consistent players so far this season.

Your bench is not there. We in Knick land don't have a deep bench either but we do have some explosive players that you saw tonight. Derrick Brown and Thomas seem to be the only promising players off the bench and there is nobody to make that bench better.

Thanks capitain obvious - but remember that undertanding you claimed to have in your first point? You think that might have a little something to do with having a weak bench?

Livingston has tons of potential but he is playing for the wrong coach. Remember, Larry Brown is the man who basically told Ariza he sucked and he was delusional to want more playing time...Look at him now.

Ummmmmmmmm Ariza DOES suck. Look at him now? You like his 37% fg shooting, his 29% three point shooting and his 10ppg? In saying that there is every reason to accept that Livingston is just struggling under LB like so many others have before and he is actually a lot better than he is showing right now.

Wallace and Jackson are playing bad because I don't see any sense of urgency from the coaching staff to the captains. Even though they should know it.

Ya, I'm sure that's what it is. I'm sure LB and MJ etc are just sitting back enjoying watching our two best players stink it up.

I think you guys are getting carried away with trading Jackson and Wallace. Your team is really fine. You need to address the bench PG, C and bench depth because as you can see 3 injures can ruin the whole team and Larry's mind.

We don't, and condsidering we are the ones that support and know this team, we would probably know better than you.

DJ is great but I don't see him logging heavy minutes and being able to do what he does for 82 games. He is the most dependable person on the team right now and that should not be on a young guy like that.

Can you use your crystal ball to let me know what the upcoming lotto numbers are?

I really like the team. I just see everything happening being Jordan's fault. Bring back Larry not a smart move (in my opinion), not re-signing Hughes was a bad move, still not even looking to fix the center position is a bad move.

You are clueless. Jordan is trying to fix a lot of the mistakes made by the prvious owners. He has done a wonderful job.

You guys will probably get on a nice streak sometime soon but it's going to be a struggle.

Thanks SuperFan.

Quite sad indeed, that the guy comes here to post an observational Thread in a polite manner, and you (as a Mod) greet him like that.

Perhaps next time you can take a page from longtime Mod fatlever (whom I've always respected going way back when), and some of your other posters in the Thread and not be so sarcastically asinine.

The fact that you addressed each any every one his points with a counter that basically was Knick centered disses, and barely anything Bobcats is quite telling of your agenda.

Good luck with that bro.

[Jeff23]

Lets all get along and watch this beautiful basket by Matt Carroll:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRAgLpW6cwo[/youtube]


In your faces, Knicks!

[BigSlam]

Quite sad indeed, that the guy comes here to post an observational Thread in a polite manner, and you (as a Mod) greet him like that.

You are kidding - right?

Bobcats just come off two back to back losses to your team and a Knicks fan comes and posts a thread like this? If the shoe was on the other foot and the Bobcats had won both games and a thread was started up by a Bobcats fan on the Knicks board like this what sort of reception do you think that thread would have received?

Perhaps next time you can take a page from longtime Mod fatlever (whom I've always respected going way back when), and some of your other posters in the Thread and not be so sarcastically asinine.

This is my fav part of my post - especially because you end your post with:

Good luck with that bro.

Nothing "sarcastically asinine" about that at alllllllllllllllllllllllll.

The fact that you addressed each any every one his points with a counter that basically was Knick centered disses, and barely anything Bobcats is quite telling of your agenda.

Apart from his 1st point where I state the Knicks well known history of dialing out big dollar contracts, show me where I "addressed each any every one his points with a counter that basically was Knick centered disses".

Good luck with that bro.

(oops, sorry, was that "sarcastically asinine" again? I'm having trouble telling the difference)

[Marvel]

Quite sad indeed, that the guy comes here to post an observational Thread in a polite manner, and you (as a Mod) greet him like that.

Perhaps next time you can take a page from longtime Mod fatlever (whom I've always respected going way back when), and some of your other posters in the Thread and not be so sarcastically asinine.

The fact that you addressed each any every one his points with a counter that basically was Knick centered disses, and barely anything Bobcats is quite telling of your agenda.

Good luck with that bro.

What.....first of all we all have fingers, so if the OP is upset or feels offended in anyway he can speak for himself. Second, what's wrong with pointing out every one of his points. Personally i like it, it's more apprehensible to understand what he's pointing out.

and not be so sarcastically asinine.

....a bit extreme, every one of his counters is reasonable, genuine and honest just quietly.

[fatlever]

i agree that management should demand boris get in better shape. however, on the court boris has been solid most nights. there is no question though that if he was in fantastic shape he could be much better. however, thats never going to happen.

Well in that case, Tyrus should start. He seems to add life around Wallace and Jackson all three are playing together.

Maybe, you guys could get Ben Wallace. He would fit in with the system and I think he signed a 2 year deal.

the only problem with tyrus starting is his foul trouble. he has been picking up stupid fouls early in games. i think LB is afraid that if he starts tyrus he would get 2 quick fouls and spend the rest of the half on the bench.

[fatlever]

BrotherDave....NO, Doris was horrible for the French team at the FIBA tourney.

uhmm, no he was not. I saw all games of the french national team and him and Batum were the best players on the team.

http://turkey2010.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/10/fwcm/player/p/pid/33925/rid//sid/4728/tid/282/profile.html

Pretty average to me and this is FIBA we're talking about, but hey maybe he was playing down to the competition

its hard to really compare what boris does with bobcats vs what he does on french team. he fills such a different role for both teams. boris is clearly the leader and engine of that french team. he has most of the playmaking responsibilities and seems to spend most of his time out beyond the 3pt line on offense.

[Rich4114]

There's too much over analyzing here. We're just not that good. Last year we were a great defensive team and great home team. The only thing that changed significantly player wise was Felton. DJ has done very well offensively, basically matching some of the scoring Felton provided but not really until the last few games when he started attacking the basket. But not being able to put that pressure at mid court like we used to is allowing teams to run their normal offense on us.

Anyone notice DJ get completely denied the ball by Felton in crunch time the other night? That sort of thing has no stat, but it's HUGE to disrupting what the opposing team wants to do. And Calderon wouldn't have ever provided that and he's even more expensive than Felton and WAY more expensive than DJ. I was about to take a 4 year vacation from this team when they were going to trade for him, it's like making the Diop trade all over again and burying the franchise even further.

Wallace looks uninterested and Jackson now has to become our playmaker. Time to blow the thing up and rebuild with a collection of assets via young up and comers, draft picks, and salary flexibility.

Simply moving Wallace for an expiring if we can include Diop and Carroll with him is a positive move for us. Trade Jackson + Najera or someone for a pick/cap flexibility.

Would Denver do Melo for Wallace + Carroll? Who even cares if Melo doesn't resign here, we gain cap space then going in to 2011.

[Battery]

Quite sad indeed, that the guy comes here to post an observational Thread in a polite manner, and you (as a Mod) greet him like that.

Perhaps next time you can take a page from longtime Mod fatlever (whom I've always respected going way back when), and some of your other posters in the Thread and not be so sarcastically asinine.

The fact that you addressed each any every one his points with a counter that basically was Knick centered disses, and barely anything Bobcats is quite telling of your agenda.

Good luck with that bro.

Well you're not looking at it from our point of view. If Slam only watched 2 Knicks games all season long and went into the Knicks forum and posted "Bobcats Fan Perpective of the Knicks" and said Gallo is mediocre, you have no bench and Felton is a big waste of time because he won't win you any games in the playoffs, if he said stuff like that you can bet your ass he would get clobbered a million times worse by Knicks fans.

Slam lives and dies with this team and it's his baby so if someone from the outside comes in without being 100% familar with our team, then of course he's going to stick up for our players. Also, we don't match up very well with this Knicks team so it's kind of hard for a Knicks fan to give his perspective from only watching us the past 2 days. Before you guys won 5 straight you had lost 6 in row, things can change in hurry and a person's perspective can go from positive to negative back to positive all in one week.

So yeah perhaps Slam was a bit harsh and sarcastic, but it's really no different than if he were to go in your forum and post a similar thread if we had just beaten you 2 straight. Perhaps we should test out that theory in the future the next time you lose 2 tough ones in a row....

[DY_nasty]

Anyone notice DJ get completely denied the ball by Felton in crunch time the other night? That sort of thing has no stat, but it's HUGE to disrupting what the opposing team wants to do. And Calderon wouldn't have ever provided that and he's even more expensive than Felton and WAY more expensive than DJ. I was about to take a 4 year vacation from this team when they were going to trade for him, it's like making the Diop trade all over again and burying the franchise even further.

First off, LB needs to give the kid a damned off-ball screen for something other than a cut to the rim. He's our best, most consistent shooter and most of the time LB just makes him cross the half-court line then immediately hand the ball off to someone else - a strategy that usually ends in failure and face palming across Charlotte. Time for Hall of Fame coach to stop boycotting the 3pt line and actually run some plays for shooters. Letting Jackson play hopscotch by himself then jack up a bad shot doesn't count LB. (But whatever.... not like Larry Brown cares anyways)

Next, Calderon's deal would've moved Diaw too. It wasn't just a *add money* move. Hell, we could use Reggie Evans' rebounding and goon tactics right now. Either way, DJ has stepped up great so it doesn't matter.

[Rich4114]

maybe we should trade SLAM to the Nets. He's becoming a head case lately and turns the ball over way too much. Let's work it out so the Nets can also get Richard Jefferson to team up with SLAM and rival the Knicks.