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reasons not to trade wallace
- on a great contract
- coming off all-star selection
- fan favorite
- face of franchise
- seems to like playing in charlotte
- heart and soul of team
- captain
- best rebounder on team
- best defender on team
- still in prime
- only original bobcat left
- my favorite bobcat

reasons to trade wallace
- value at an all-time high
- possibly nearing end of prime
- injury history, style of play
- other options available at small forward (jackson, mcguire, brown)
- best trade asset
- only 2 years left on current contract, would probably be a mistake to try to resign him again to another large deal
- this team isnt going to go past 1st round as currently constructed, trading wallace signals a time to start rebuilding.
- give him a chance to compete for a team that can contend for a title while he can still contribute on a high level

i think trading wallace would be, by far, the toughest decision this franchise has made. i am torn on the idea of trading him. my heart says no and my head say yes.

Yes. He has not played the same since the first half of last season when he made the All Star game. He is playing mediocre ball since. The longer we wait, the less he trade value. Look at Iggy in Philly. 2 years ago people wanted him and would have given up a ton. Now, although he still has decent trade value, it is nothing like 2 years ago. Same will happen with Crash. I dont know if it is attitude, or if he still has some serious lingering effects from his concussions. But he just has not been the same for a long long time. And that is very worrisome. This is a business. If you can sell high and get a couple good players or a good player and a 1st round pick, take it. I am happy with DJ, TT and UPS. Much of the rest can go on the open market for best price.

Your lists are pretty unbalanced, lol. The 'reasons to trade' didn't even delve into all the deficiencies in his game. He's been apathetic, his outside shot has been off, he can't simply put his head down and drive because other teams are finally aware of what he likes to do, his rebounding is down from last year (although it was probably an aberration) and he's clearly not in a good place chemistry-wise.

I also dispute that he's the best defender on the team. As a man-to-man defender (and as a perimeter defender closing out on shooters), he's not very good. As a help defender - especially for a small forward - he's fantastic. But that doesn't override his mediocre individual defense.

If they can get good value for him, it would be an interesting decision. It's still early in the season though, which gives me pause.

That's a tough one. I'll lead towards no because I think his poor play is more of a reflection of the overall offense and turnovers. He's always been a player that rides the momentum instead of creating it like a Kobe. We just can't get no momentum, blame refs, blame Larry, blame whoever. We just look like a bunch of strangers for 3 quarters of every game. Cohesion is very poor.

I don't think we should. Too lazy to explain why, but I can assure you I have great arguments to back up my point.

I'm pretty sure trading Wallace for anything that's not an absolute homerun would devastate the fanbase, you know how picky fairweather Charlotte fans are about their star players (he's too ghetto, he's got too many tattoos, he's overpaid, he went to [non-UNC school], he doesn't play hard, etc.).

MJ's all about selling tickets nowadays.

I say yes, blah blah blah...

Not for the contract he's got. He's still one of the biggest values in the league. You just don't get non-rookies that give you what he gives you for around 10 million bucks.

Personally, I'd have to be blown away to trade him. Something like:

Diop
Crash

for

A bunch of cap relief (K-Mart)
1st rounder

Wait till New Jersey miss out on Melo and trade him for T Will.

Wallace & Diop for T Will & Murphy and a pick

Sachmo wrote:Wait till New Jersey miss out on Melo and trade him for T Will.

Wallace & Diop for T Will & Murphy and a pick

T-Will is showing some attitude up in NJ and not sure what that is all about. But that deal would be one I would take if the pick was their 1st rounder. That talent and pick, and also losing Diop, would be worth saying goodbye to Crash.

At the very least, we should let the next 15 games play out before deciding. But if we find ourselves falling out of the playoff picture, I see no reason to hang on to him (or Jax).

I've been advocating trading Crash as a first step to rebuilding since early last year. That is when his value was at an all time high. While we can still net a very strong return for him, I think we've already held onto him a little longer than we should have.

ohara wrote:

Sachmo wrote:Wait till New Jersey miss out on Melo and trade him for T Will.

Wallace & Diop for T Will & Murphy and a pick

T-Will is showing some attitude up in NJ and not sure what that is all about. But that deal would be one I would take if the pick was their 1st rounder. That talent and pick, and also losing Diop, would be worth saying goodbye to Crash.

If they miss on melo and are still only a few games under .500, thus still in playoff contention, my first offer to NJ would be Wallace/Tyrus/Hendo for Twill/Favors/Murphy.

While Favors has vast potential, Humpheries is presently getting most of the minutes at the 4. Twill is in Avery's dog house.

NJ would be:
Harris
Morrow
Wallace
Tyrus
Lopez

Charlotte should then look to salary dump Jackson to a contender for a mid to late first round pick and and expiring and proceed to accumulate lottery balls.

Next year they could be:

DJ
Twill
Terrence Jones or Harrison Barnes
Favors
Kwame / project center

If NJ scoffs at including favors, acquiesce to the Wallace & Diop for T Will & Murphy and a pick

dmutombo321 wrote:I've been advocating trading Crash as a first step to rebuilding since early last year. That is when his value was at an all time high. While we can still net a very strong return for him, I think we've already held onto him a little longer than we should have.

ohara wrote:

Sachmo wrote:Wait till New Jersey miss out on Melo and trade him for T Will.

Wallace & Diop for T Will & Murphy and a pick

T-Will is showing some attitude up in NJ and not sure what that is all about. But that deal would be one I would take if the pick was their 1st rounder. That talent and pick, and also losing Diop, would be worth saying goodbye to Crash.

If they miss on melo and are still only a few games under .500, thus still in playoff contention, my first offer to NJ would be Wallace/Tyrus/Hendo for Twill/Favors/Murphy.

While Favors has vast potential, Humpheries is presently getting most of the minutes at the 4. Twill is in Avery's dog house.

NJ would be:
Harris
Morrow
Wallace
Tyrus
Lopez

Charlotte should then look to salary dump Jackson to a contender for a mid to late first round pick and and expiring and proceed to accumulate lottery balls.

Next year they could be:

DJ
Twill
Terrence Jones or Harrison Barnes
Favors
Kwame / project center

If NJ scoffs at including favors, acquiesce to the Wallace & Diop for T Will & Murphy and a pick

I don't like the look of Kwame/ project center..... BLAH!

I'd say yes. Love Wallace but we're trying to build a contender around him and it's not possible. He's the third option on a contending franchise (or 4th on the Miami Heat).

In the NJ deal, it wouldn't be a bad idea to try and include DJ for Harris again. NJ seems to have an interest in DJ and they may need to move the Harris contract to make it work. Harris would be more of a threat for us and can be a better defender.

I disagree about the Harris trade. I was all for that trade at the start of the year, but if we trade Crash for TWill we are going for a youth movement. Dj has shown some promise so far this year, stick with him and see how he develops.

Harris is a good pg, but he isn't great and isn't going to make us contenders.

Don't want Harris for DJ

I would prefer dealing Jax and Diaw for a clear starting 2 and 5. Not too many of those deals around. I'm not sure anyone is gonna take Diop in a deal. But this is about Crash, and I'm willing to do the right deal.

Move Jax to the 3, make sure UPS is our 3 of the future. Not sure a deal with NJ is a real option, as the issues with T-Will may have our folks taking a major pause. I wonder if NJ would take Jax and Diop for T-Will, Murphy and a pick?

Bassman wrote:I wonder if NJ would take Jax and Diop for T-Will, Murphy and a pick?

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Bassman wrote:I would prefer dealing Jax and Diaw for a clear starting 2 and 5. Not too many of those deals around. I'm not sure anyone is gonna take Diop in a deal. But this is about Crash, and I'm willing to do the right deal.

Move Jax to the 3, make sure UPS is our 3 of the future. Not sure a deal with NJ is a real option, as the issues with T-Will may have our folks taking a major pause. I wonder if NJ would take Jax and Diop for T-Will, Murphy and a pick?

From your post, I think you meant Crash and Diop for T-Will, Murphy and a pick? You mentioned moving Jax to the 3. If so, New Jersey might be interested. But that is a deal in which I would be happy with the return on Crash. I would think NJ would want some sort of protection on the deal, likely "Lottery" since they are sure to be in it. Maybe Lottery protected 2011 draft, and unprotected 2012. That way we get a 1st in 2012 where we currently dont have one due to the TT trade.

Yep- With the December trade restrictions being lifted in the next two weeks, I really like the possiblities with the Nets. Also I would like to see DBrown start and play 35+ minutes and see what kind of numbers he puts up. Did you see LB put in collins and Carroll the other night? Was he showcasing them? Hum I wonder